@SonoVulpin Insulting? I just called your whining selfish, not much different then you calling Nevzat selfish and every other person who is interested in ship 4 selfish. Pot and kettle much?
But lets review, this is what you said:
@SonoVulpin said in Open Ship 4 or PC players will leave.:
You act like just because there a fresh start server your going to get the cosmetic the other servers have. Why would the devs do that it would just make more work for them sure it sucks but getting a fresh start server not going to magically give you accuses to items you missed out on it will just stop you from seeing them on other players. An honestly you just sound selfish wanting a fresh start server at this point. You'd rather split the community along more servers so you don't have to be jealous of what others have? That not a good reason to open more servers at all IMO. If it was than with that logic they'd have to open a fresh start server every content patch to keep selfish players like you happy.
Lets see, you are trying to say the argument for fresh start is centered around cosmetics. You go on to say it's not a good reason to open more servers at all, because you are of the impression the desire is based on jealousy. You go on to claim that opening a server is just going to split community.
Lets review the post you were responding to:
@Nevzat said in Open Ship 4 or PC players will leave.:
Yeah, the people who are literally unable to even grasp the concept why we would want a fresh server and only use " But this isn't a competitive game!!!!!!" as their argument truly worry me.
There are so many reasons for wanting a fresh server, for a start, the feeling of everyone being on equal footing, no higher level players around you, no items you cannot obtain, no established market, no items that have flooded the market, a different vibe in hubs (people actually moving around and doing stuff) rather than standing around in loli costumes.
Post in question, yes, there is a bit about items one can't obtain and such, so if this was all to the post you quoted, you might have had a point, but lets look at rest of the post.
@Nevzat said in Open Ship 4 or PC players will leave.:
These are just some of the reasons why I personally want a new server, this isn't about competition but it's about experiencing the game the same way the Japanese did at launch, and the same way the XBOX players did at launch..
For sega to have the inability to grasp this concept also is very disturbing. It is a big deal to me. I used to play Everquest, at launch.. it was exciting seeing overpowered looking weapons at a gradual pace, like a high level would walk past occasionally and you would be in awe of what they had... I want that same experience in PSO2 as I see people hitting higher levels, and their cool looking items etc to go and look at their gear, i don't want to zone into the game and see people fully equipped fron the onset.
It is all about the experience. I want to feel like i'm a founder on a new server, not just someone late to the party just as an extra number. I think it is also apparent the type of people that would be on Ship 4 if it launches, are a type of person I would rather be around also. So far, if anything, this community overall has been toxic and elitest, the Ship 4'ers are a better breed of human imho.
As you can see, the post isn't about items at all. It's about being allowed to experience the new game as a new game and not like someone who was denied entry for several months before being let in. Any other game that denied entry (usually regional, not many are crossed played) opened up a new server when they let that crowd of people in because they understood the experience of being able to enjoy a game like it was new.
As for my 'argument' I am just pointing out your concern of a 'splitting the community' is unfounded. Unless they open up transfers, people who have invested time on their current ship aren't likely to dump it and start anew, a new server is just going to have the people who were waiting and/or those who couldn't play because of launch issues.
Edit: Honestly, a better comparison would be if instead of a "Western release' they just made an english patch for Japan client official and made it easier for western players to play the Japan client -ie getting rid of the hoops involved-. And rather than making a new ship for them, they just let them into the ships that were already out and called that done for "Western release" There, everyone should be grateful they can now play the game.
That's essentially what they did to western PC players. They released 'new ships' for the xboxers for their xbox release, but when it came to PC release, there was no such consideration, just a, 'be grateful you can now play' from the xbox community, while at the same time, trying to lure pcers onto their own ship because apparently their community was dying and they were desperate for fresh players. That's the impression that's been given, at least to me