@XenoBladeX37645 I am not a premium player. I have a 1-month premium pass collecting dust in my storage from when I bought the Sonic Collab bundle shortly after the NA release and before PSO2 went "global." I have never spent a single cent on SG. Technically speaking I haven't spent a single cent for any of the AC I've bought for hte purpose of getting additional Mags nor even for that bundle previously mentioned because I used Bing reward points to obtain Microsoft/Xbox credit and bought them with that.

Yet I have still used the market. I am using it right now. In the time since my last post I've accumulated over 77 million meseta nearly doubling my "life savings" in the game.

I did not, not even once, use a premium subscription pass.

I did not, not even once, purchase an AC scratch ticket.

This is not the first time I've used the market, either. I browsed Look Book, I ran quests with player-made AI, I gave kudos on every market purchase I made, and when the weekly task calls for use of the EX-Cube shop I buy a 1000 FUN point ticket. I've used the market many times using just the 3-day passes.

So no, the market is NOT exclusively run by premium users. Although it likely soon will be unless the 3-day pass is put back into the Fun scratch.

So, you're wrong on that point. And you're wrong on the "premium players would just sell to each other." No, they really wouldn't. Not in any significant degree, anyway. Certainly nowhere near as much as they sell to free players who have no other means to obtain those items and are not chasing the promotional prizes issued for bulk scratch purchases.

And if you buy into what all the other "leave it alone it'll fix itself" naysayers are selling, the free players DO dictate the prices because if your crap is priced too high, we're not buying it, so your only option is to either lower your prices or sit on it and rotate.

And you're still not grasping this. Free and premium players are symbiotic. Free players need premium players to generate supply, premium players rely pretty much entirely on free players to generate demand. Because free players outnumber premium players by a ridiculous margin odds are the majority of things you have been able to accomplish in the game that require teamwork was solely thanks to free players who, being unable to entertain themselves by "playing the market," entertain themselves by, you know, playing the actual game.

One does not need to specifically utter the word "peasant" when one's attitude is "if you don't blow money on this game, you mean nothing and your opinion is worthless." You are displaying just such an attitude, whether it is your intention or not.

@Milk No one "hurt" me, I'm just telling it like it is. At the end of the day, free, premium, AC, SG, Meseta, whatever....at the end of the day it is just. A. Game. And as you said to @XenoBladeX37645 (which is ironic that you understand this yet still can't seem to grasp why the elitist attitude pisses me off) they work outside the game to throw money into the game to get what they want, while we (the free players) bust our arses in the game to get what we want. " If you don't have time, you have money, and if you don't have money, you have time. We're paying our own way."

And as has been repeatedly pointed out (and again recently by @Gilver-Redgrave) if not for the free players the premium crowd would have nobody to sell to. Doesn't matter how high or low your prices, doesn't matter how you acquired your stock, doesn't matter if you subscribe continuously or just buy a 1-month pass on occasion when you need to flush out your inventory. Without the free players you have nobody to buy your unwanted crap.

And that is what people need to drill through their heads. This is not "valuable treasure," this is not "priceless artwork," and this is not "the most high-end, high-tech, product made with the most exclusive and rare materials."

It is excess junk you can't do anything with.

"But it can be traded for AC tokens!"

And what do those run for? Last I checked (just last night) they go for about 200k a piece. That is, at best, all that your unwanted junk is worth. Because if you can't sell it, AC tokens are all they're good for. And if there aren't any free players around, you can't sell squat, because all the other premium players and/or whales already have what you're trying to get rid of.

@XenoBladeX37645 it is your own hatred/disdain for free players that is bleeding through here. You think the game only exists because of premium players. I grasp the bigger picture here that without free players you have no customer base for premium players to sell to, you have very little player base to run quests with, and both of these factors contribute to why premium players even stick around. Take away their customers and their ability to easily run quests with full lobbies and the premium players will lose interest and the game dies.

Like it or not, you need us "simple peasants" just as much as, if not more than, Sega needs you. Bill Gates didn't become a billionaire because he made an operating system. He became a billionaire because a crap-load of people who don't know the first thing about computer programming were there to BUY his operating system.

So cut the crap and stop defending the self-important snobs who think their brains are bigger because they threw money at their screen for something shiny and colorful.

Now, back on topic, there is a critical aspect a lot of people seem to be ignoring in their determination of what a "fair" price is "based on how much a player can earn in a week."

The cosmetic market is not the only drain on a player's meseta.

This is a new game. That means players are still leveling up. Players are still enhancing gear. Players are still applying augments. Players are still combining lesser augments to craft higher-level augments. Players are still unlocking potentials and limit-breaking their gear. All of this takes a significant chunk of meseta every single time and that meseta is spent towards something that actually has a direct impact on how the game plays and our ability to progress within it. "Oh just run such-and-such activity and you'll get tons of meseta." Great. But until you are properly leveled and equipped to do so that solution is meaningless. And getting there costs meseta.

There is absolutely no reason why cosmetic fluff should be a hundred times more expensive than materials and consumables that have actual in-game impact. Unless you don't actually give a crap about playing the game and are content to just park your carcass in the social spaces being the living embodiment of "all flash, no substance."

@XenoBladeX37645 The market is why premium users exist. Make it free and I guarantee 75% or more of the current crop of premium users will cancel their subscriptions. Make it free and players who have to actually EARN every last meseta they have will show the premium snobs what the prices SHOULD look like.

But here's a simple hint: if the numbers are turning RED as you're setting your price, you've already blown it. I don't care what the current "next lowest" after you would be. If the numbers are red you are part of the problem, not the solution. It's that simple.

I don't have to shell out for a subscription to know screwing over the vast, overwhelming majority of your potential customer base is poor business sense.

@XenoBladeX37645 Just because the market was made for them doesn't mean they're the reason it exists, nor does it mean that they, to the exclusion of all others, have any clue what they're talking about. And to flat out say "you didn't pay so your ideas are invalid" is elitist no matter how you try to spin it.

@XenoBladeX37645 Oh make no mistake about it, at this point I am the asshole, because I'm sick of this retarded "I paid and you didn't therefore your opinion means nothing" elitist bullshit. Having money does not make you better than someone else. Blowing that money in excessive quantities on a freakin' video game? Even less so. I don't pad anybody's fragile ego. If anyone here is stupid enough to think flashing some cash around makes their dumb-as-fuck suggestions better than everyone else's...I'd show them the door but they'd never figure out how to use it unless I installed a credit card slot on it.

@Herald-of-Zenchi said in The AC item reselling in Market problem:

The only fair solution is to prevent people from acquiring more than two of the same tickets so they can no longer hoard and resell.

You fix overprice, and you fix lack of supply as much as it's possible.

If this is an example of "premium player logic," I'll keep voicing my opinion, fuck you very much. If you can't obtain items after two then you never have any excess to sell, dumbass. And if you try to walk this back by claiming you meant only two after the first two needed to unlock an item congratulations, moron, you just incentivised players to still keep buying out undercutters and recycling that stock to make their own merch the new low while completely removing the supply.

Can I please engage with someone who engages their brain for more than 15 seconds? I am begging for input from someone who follows a thought ALL the way through.

Seriously, what was your long game here? Enlighten my feeble, "entitled," "freemium" brain.

@Zenny People really, really need to stop assuming they know where my head's at. Especially those who think one tiny change would make me turn full 180 on absolutely everything I've said.

I've had shop access through 3-day passes. I have a full-month Premium ticket sitting in storage from when I bought the Sonic Collab bundle last year that I've never used. I have no interest in "playing the market." Every time I've had access to the shops my first thought was "I can finally get rid of this junk" and my second thought is "I am going to undercut the lowest price I can find by at least 25%, probably closer to 50% in most cases, because I know how much it sucks to want something that some asshole arbitrarily decided was going to be "for rich person only" for no damn reason."

Every time I've had access to the market I have tried to drive prices DOWN, not "play the market" to force prices to go higher. I had no interest in becoming an overnight billionaire. It was more rewarding to me to see people actually take the time to add comment in their kudos saying things like "OMG thank you for listing this so low I've been trying to get one forever you are a mother f*ing GOD." I make and sell my own mustache wax. I spent months digging up as many sellers as I could find, checking their prices, and then undercutting them as much as I could while still making enough of a profit to cover materials and the hours spent making the stuff. I've done a few walking sticks, too, and I can't bring myself to ask the same price I see so many others putting on theirs. Seriously, I've seen some people charge $45 and they didn't do anything more than spray it with clear coat. No sanding, no wrist strap, no rubber cap on the end, not even real wood sealer, and they want $45 while I feel guilty charging $20 after doing ALL of that.

So no, Zen. If I had free access to the market I would be clearing out a crapload of PSO2 stuff I'm sure will have no future purpose but some completionist will want it, any spare cosmetic stuff, and I'd be undercutting the current prices probably by 95% at this point because they're nucking futs.

Each and every one of those items, if you sold it to an NPC, would net you 2-5 meseta. THAT is how much this crap is "worth." Anything beyond that is a massive profit to begin with.

I think we (and more importantly Sega) should consider this possibility: every suggestion made here could be "field tested" in the PSO2 market with little to no long-term consequence because PSO2 is effectively a dead game now.

@MasterDarkwingz There really does need to be a limit, or a range, for pricing. things like ingredients, for example. There's absolutely no reason why a Red Meat or a Ruins Grape, for example, should be priced any higher than 2,500. These things are never worth more than a few hundred meseta when turned in for front-desk COs making even the rock bottom 1,050 "overpriced" for what they're worth and yet, especially when a seasonal event CO calls for them, I've seen ingredients being sold for 50-100k a piece.

And with so much of PSO2 being "dead" there's really no reason NOT to severely reduce the market prices across the board. Get players to buy all that stuff out, free up server space, because eventually PSO2 will be phased out completely. And implementing similar caps/ranges in NGS as early as possible minimizes the damage before it gets even further out of hand than it already is.

@Herald-of-Zenchi Speaking as someone who doesn't have a ridiculous amount of disposable income to just throw at a game for mere cosmetic fluff, $2 is not a "fine" price. I quit playing Destiny because they were charging $10 every 3-4 months for actual game content (e.g. actual missions, cinematics, weapons/armor that had actual stats, exclusive side-quests, exotic gear, and game modes) because that was too steep a price for my limited "entertainment" budget. And that is content that hundreds or more likely thousands of man-hours went into crafting, plus hiring fairly in-demand voice actors. $10 for 3-4 months of actual content. Sega is asking $2 for a random chance (with abysmal odds) of getting a single, solitary, zero-real-game-impact bit of cosmetic fluff that paid for itself in the first 6 hours. No, Herald. The price is not "fine." I never thought a developer could make me think Bungie was actually being generous and cheap with their pricing but I'll be damned if Sega isn't making one hell of an argument here.