the selective quoting....

It isn't about being right or wrong it is about context.

And you just repeated something my last post to you went over in full...

But I admit this is a pointless back and forth so I'll end it here.

@Archetype-Luna

Though I guess there is one good news for Sega

Would Asmogolds streams be mostly responsible for this happening in the NA region? Although it seems FFXIV is doing a pretty decent job of maintaining it's new found growth. NGS however seems to still be declining albeit the incline is not as steap but is beginnig to stabalize towards PSO2 classic numbers in a month or 2, if this trend is correct based on steam it wouldn't seem that SEGA was able to garner much new players, if any at all if it begins to drift around 5-6k. but there is still still the next phase of the Event to give us an Idea of how many players may return. Also would like to see how many players return come the Winter update, that should give a good grasp of where the numbers/trend may remain going forward, but PSO2 did have a content acceleration of 10:1 In comparison to NGS but the numbers still declined anyways. This also seems to be inline with it dropping from its place in SEGA Sammies revenue report from one quarter to the next if that's the case.

@Archetype-Luna

BDO is doing a lot better than I thought it would.

@Zeke

Didn't BDO have a new season start with a new class? Pretty sure the sale helped it too.

Yeah It is currently running a new season and on top of this a New class released so many are back grinding that out, but its not unusual for BDO to be seeing the growth that it has as Pearl Abyss seems to be changing their strategy when it comes to content rollout with BDO, Moving to a more PVE group Based and Solo activities with the rollout in the near future of Group and Solo based Dungeons and PVE focused Events.

The Revenue from Pearl Abyss from what I hear is that NA/EU has overtaking Korea BDO and BDO MOBILE in Total Revenue so they may be shifting their focus to content that is better Appealing to the Western Market(The Sage class is another indicator of this as they stated it was aimed and Marketed to Western Players) The recent press release from them showed a 300% increase in new and returning players, and their community event the Hiedel Ball saw over 500k in viewership from western players, Judging by last summer steam numbers it has seen an increase in peak and average players when we compare the numbers of June-July 2021 to 2020.

It seems a hard focus on circular grind and P2W PVP wasn't ideal for them in the long run. They have been doing right by BDO lately, I hope SEGA can do right by PSO2NGS as well in the near future.

@Miraglyth

And now it's people disagreeing with unproductive whines that are evading the subject of content? Really? To read "maybe the actual discussion of content can be engaged"

Practically celebrating a downward trend on a graph - whether fairly represented or not - is not helpful. Period.

The bold part is my quote, the next portion includes graph posting which includes me, I stated my rebuttal and intent of my post in my first reply to you as a clarification. "Celebration". I am not celebrating this...That was my entire purpose. Then for some reason you doubled down with salutes post...I am addressing myself not salute. And on top of this...

Then now you moved the goal post to salutes hyperbolic statement,(some cliche over the top anime, sword are online wannabe barbie dress up simulator) that has nothing to do with Graph posting celebration, a harsh insult but ok yes? If anything this is bad faith as it has nothing to do with my initial reply to you.

Honestly whether you were responding to me or not doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things because the crux remains the same, stop strawmaning graph posting as celebratory and Salutes comment isnt even the smoking gun you think it is as it doesn't even show someone celebrating, harsh frustration mayhap, but to assume anything celebratory about it is just false.

This really is an exercise in futility so I am ending it here.

@Miraglyth

I didn't even quote you. I quoted XenoBladeX37645. It sounds like you assumed - and are still assuming - I was referring to graphs you posted

Ehh so what? as long as you dont @ someone you can misrepresent the purpose of their comment and face no rebuttal?

No assumption. you didnt @ me, but there is a quote directly from my comment and a segway into "celebrating" the downward trends by people who posted graphs.

Where is the assumption? Im literally being addressed

Again take up with Salute. You keep posting that reply but there is nothing celebratory about it in relation to the graph. Do you even know what the word celebration means?

@Miraglyth said in Where the content sega?:

I don't care about your reply to Rain. I care about your reply to me having stated posts like this weren't helpful. I've misrepresented nothing there; "some cliche over the top anime, sword are online wannabe barbie dress up simulator" is simply not helpful. You're welcome to disagree, of course, but that's what I meant.

Well my comment that you quoted was is in relations to Rain, and the specific context of summer time trends(Which yes was a deflection.) as I noted.

Your comment about "celebrating" downwards trends is a strawman as no celebration was done by either me nor SalutexMO, hyperboly on his part with the that comment you posted but the spirit of the graph is all the same. no celebration occered.

You can feel however you like about the numbers but dont strawman the purpose of the graph posting.

EDIT

What reply to Rain? He wasn't even in the quote series we're discussing

It was a reply to someone else replying to rain about the summer time trends of games.

@Miraglyth

This one wasn't. Nor was this one.

1. And? How does that address the purpose of my reply to Rain? If you are going to quote me and reference my comment then you are addressing me.

2. Where is the Celebration in that comment? He is illustrating a point of his own. If you have an issue with salutexM posting graphs to illustrate his position then take it up with him.

@RainGnyu

And making non sequiturs like "its because of summer time" which are incorrect makes what point?

If you cant handle your ludicrous statements being debunked.....don't post them?

@Miraglyth

Practically celebrating a downward trend on a graph - whether fairly represented or not - is not helpful. Period.

Nice misrepresentation of why that graph was posted, it wasn't to celebrate the downward trend but to counteract the DEFLECTION made by that one poster that this phenomenon is a natural summer time trend(hint it isn't.)

Won't say much else because Gilver pretty much stated everything I was going to say on page 54.

@Naomao

Yeah sure it cause of summer lol keep telling you that. This game have no content why people should play it right now ? Also "number have fallen just a little" yeah sure

Literally none of that guys propositions ever have any basis in reality.

As we enter the summer, we can see from this chart even though NGS was able to eclipse the others in its all time peak as a new release, it dropped at a ridiculous rate of change in less then a month, whilst going into the summer however others are either seeing good amounts of growth(as someone mentioned FFXIV reaching its all time peak whilst also BDO seeing a decent ammount of growth.) or staying consistent with their numbers(ESO), even non MMORPG/ONLINE RPGS like DOTA2 saw growth . None of the comparisons have a slope proportional to NGS, so no dropping off at this magnitude(80%) isn't a "summer time reason" its unique to NGS.

Now as to the topic in question. If people would stop deflecting and making up poor excuses, maybe the actual discussion of content can be engaged.

@Blade-Syphon He stated 80% decrease, hes most likely referring to the 24 peak numbers, not the playing numbers which was during or right after maintenance.

@Miraglyth

It feels like you're skipping the step where you actually compare the two?

Fair enough, but You miss my point, I don't think a comparison needs to be made at all.

Yes I would say that square dropped the ball harder on FFXIV(1.0) But the problem with arguments like these is that they are just "whataboutery" They don't actually address the actual issue at hand but instead deflect to something else(not that I am accusing you of intentionally deflecting.)

When the next AAA game bombs should we just shrug it off and say "Pshh but what about Cyberpunk?" or "At least its not as bad as Fallout76" we should aim for better imo.

As for standards they certainly should not be set by the failures of the past that’s for sure, let alone ones from 2010.

Just because a worse offender exist in the past does not free NGS from Scrutiny. If all you can say about your game is that at least it is not as bad as FFXIV(1.0) then that’s not saying much.

If you even need to compare it to FFXIV(1.0) that’s clear enough that it shouldn't have been injected into the market.