@Nasdun said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@Saiyer I personally hate the entire SG shop, the prices, features and how it's run. For one the Fresh find shop is basically taking out popular items from scratch banners and putting it behind a different paywall that's even more expensive. SG itself is insanely more expensive than AC and far less useful options. Then this whole SG banner that just came out is a terrible idea! You can't trade the items, everything is locked on the account. The dollar to SG is just super bad. And correct me if I'm wrong aren't these items tradable in the Japanese version and if so why is NA players getting treated wrongfully? The SG tickets aren't worth it, Fresh shop isn't worth it, SG prices need to be cut in half.

Long story short I hate this SG shop, banner and fresh finds shop with a passion!

SG items aren't tradable over in JP, but some items we get through SG over here may not have been obtained through SG on JP, and would be tradable.

@DHG-MumfordsSon said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@Thrashinuva said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

Thing is I'm pretty sure I remember them doing this on JP, and then the JP player base lashed out and then they added a bunch of ways to gain SG.

Meaning they've already been through this once before. They thought so little of their JP base "we just have some whiners over here", and thought so little of their NA base "they'll let us get away with it", and refused to learn from their mistake.

This. Impatient people.

You should probably cool off and go play the game, or something else. This thread isn't relevant to you.

Thing is I'm pretty sure I remember them doing this on JP, and then the JP player base lashed out and then they added a bunch of ways to gain SG.

Meaning they've already been through this once before. They thought so little of their JP base "we just have some whiners over here", and thought so little of their NA base "they'll let us get away with it", and refused to learn from their mistake.

I'm not quitting yet. I hope they can learn from what they're doing. I don't foresee myself buying SG ever, and so the SG scratch is too rich for my blood.

It should run for a year, in tandem with another SG scratch for a year, with no fluff items just so NA can catch up. Instead we have worse than the opposite.

Real bad faith decision on Sega/Microsoft's part.

Instead of many ways to earn SG, we have many ways to spend SG.

I tried to believe in the NA server.

Looks like it may go downhill, and fast. Not just walking down the hill, but rolling Sonic speed down the hill.

We already are drying up on renewable SG. Even if people were willing to spend their SG, they can't. They don't have it. Not unless they buy it with $.

I already can't afford the material storage since the fresh finds is gouging me.

Certain people find things offensive.

Those things can be anything, even things that are outright "just" by any other normal individual.

While it seems clear that on a group level this topic is more or less dismissed, on an individual level the OP needs to learn that their biases are just that. Biases. Their intolerance for something stems from a lack of understanding, as most often is the case with intolerance.

I knew there was some kinda mix, but Fury Stance itself does apply also.

While it's true that having Techs (be useful) is great, it's also true that Te/Hu will be dealing much much more damage utilizing tech explosions against groups. For Talis I'm not sure if you mean Force's Talis Tech bonus or if there's some innate thing with it that I forgot. Regardless Talis is a miss with a lot of people, though Anga is a fair point. I always have a Talis in my wheel anyways, just in case.

But basically Te/Fi solves both of these issues.

Do people not go Te/Fi? I don't either, but it should be a more general aoe combination that is still even close to Te/Su single target. Only problem being that it ends up getting replaced by Techer/Phantom.

Regardless, TEC is a great stat to go for on anything but Te/Hu and Te/Ra. DEX is acceptable for subclasses that have the appropriate mag skill.

Fo/Te is a much better tech casting class than Techer, and Te/Fo is not at all redeemable. But if you want to have high TEC for both melee and techs, then go Te/Fi or Te/Su.

Summoner sub is extra useful in the early game due to stat increase skills you end up taking that you wouldn't generally be taking on other subclasses, which will help you equip better gear earlier than you normally would.

While I'm probably in agreement with Lapinoire about Te/Hu being generally not as powerful or useful as other combinations, I don't really like the idea of calling it a crutch, but it definitely is true that the main reason to take it would be Iron Will as well as Hunter Physique. Te/Fi and Te/Su (with Summoner's Mark) should definitely be dealing more damage, and Techer Deband actually acts very well on its own as a way to increase survivability.

As far as I'm aware, Techer's Photon Fury explosions actually do get amplified by Hunter's skills. Te/Hu is superior to Te/Su when it comes to damage without the use of techs or Summoner's Mark. Te/Su's high base stats help alleviate the difference in terms of multipliers, as it counts towards your Shifta increase, but it doesn't count enough to even out the difference.

I don't have it, and I'm not willing to spend so much to get it, and if I did get it I'd probably sell it. It's certainly not worth 180 mil to me. The point of discussion is which deals more damage. I use Fornis precisely because I valued the price to performance ratio higher than the actual total end performance. Maybe I'll switch to Nemesis later on, but more than likely I'll just wait until I get one as a drop.

But you can't exactly claim 100% up time using techs, can you? To be fair, Techer has very high up time with techs, with PP Conversion and Restorate. But eventually you run out, and then what do you do? How do you calculate the time it takes to chase the enemy down from your distance position in order to restore your PP? How do you know how to equate between the two? Where's your formula showing that there's not enough boss down time to justify weaker tech performance?

If your only point here ultimately boils down to "Nemesis is a much more worthy investment than Form Scythe", I can't say I disagree, but it isn't really the point of the discussion at hand. You could say that it's relevant to the original post, but not that it lays down any smash down argument over the poster who said it was "one of the best".

@Lapinoire Quite smug aren't you? I didn't state certain things because I was confident you didn't know them. I stated them because you failed to. To put it nicely, relevant information was excluded, so I included it for anyone reading to be fully aware.

Information about OT weapons was included because you made statements specifically regarding the time frame of when those weapons were relevant on the JP server. Your points regarding this made absolutely no sense, with context or without it.

And it seems you're upset that I listed the Form Scythe wave values, because you already did. Don't be. It's merely listed together with other relevant information to make it easier to digest. This isn't your preconceived notion of me thinking "WHY DIDN'T YOU LIST THE VALUES". It's "Here's all of the relevant information in one small package".

Weapon values are fairly volatile at this point in time. Nemesis Cross at it's cheapest on Ship 02 is currently 4,093,950 as of the moment of typing this. Fornis is 2,205,000. The point is that these values are more than likely to go down at this point in time, rather than up, and yet they have gone up in relation to your post. Not by much, sure, but I'd say that Nemesis Cross being 3.1m is certainly a deal I haven't seen before now, and 6.8m on Ship 03 is more along the lines of what I'd expect. I paid way less than 2m for my Fornis, and I'd rather pay way less, because at this point I care more about what else I can buy with that extra few million meseta. My PSO2 NA account is hardly even a month old, you know? And there's a few months worth of backlog.

I actually don't know if Ring Skills on units were actually added or not. I got a tutorial pop up for it, but I don't personally value Ray units very highly so I haven't even attempted it.

Uncharged Megiverse is quite effective, and a waste of time if you don't need it.

Regarding your damage values, excluding the one case where you've admitted Form Scythe wins:

Fi sub

Form: 2,109,915

Nemesis: 2,156,353

This is a difference of less than 3 percent. Literally anything could tip the scales here. Your individual performance. Your crits. Something counting as Wise/Valiant. Anything.

Su sub

Form: 2,213,054

Nemesis: 2,329,515

This is a difference of about 5 percent. Really it's a wider difference, but have we really ventured that far to prove the difference is unmarred by RNG? I would say no. Maybe yes in a solo environment such as Rockbear practice, but in any other context it would be hard to make the argument.

What I can say is your argument regarding the convenience of falling back on techs is a real winner. I said as much before your retort. Your retort against Heavy Hammer/Safoie 0 is in response to me actually stating that it's true.

But riddle me this.

Someone used Critical Field and Blight Rounds. The boss is stunned momentarily. How high do you think your DPS can go to possibly make up for the boss moving a lot? Which wand would have better DPS in this situation exclusively?

Why is your Fornis value higher on Fi than it is on Su, when the other values are higher on Su than they are on Fi?

Damage is also just lower in general on NA right now. A difference of 3% is even smaller and even harder to prove. But don't worry, I know you already know that. I simply said it because it hasn't been said yet.