@NotWhoUThink said in WHICH SCION CLASS DO YOU THINK IS THE STRONGEST? HERO? PHANTOM? ETOILE? LUSTER?:

Also Hunter sword dps is (on paper) worse than partizan dps if we're going by that logic anyways thanks to volkraptor combos.

Ignite parry has higher notational DPS even on paper but that aside paper doesn't have deal with PP or gear management or a PA that apparently works in accordance with how much it hates you in that particular moment.

@NotWhoUThink said in WHICH SCION CLASS DO YOU THINK IS THE STRONGEST? HERO? PHANTOM? ETOILE? LUSTER?:

And I'm not saying that Hunter can't put out a good amount of dps either (because it obviously can) it's like you said though comparative to other other classes it's just not as good (on paper) but I will give say Hunter does have a lot of safety nets and a good amount of I-frames to rely on, all I'm trying to say is sword Hunter isn't the best at dps on raid bosses. I do appreciate the explanation though.

Also not true. Hunter is notoriously one of the most powerful classes but it's issue has to do with things outside of raw damage. Mainly it's older PA design which makes most PAs wide, clunky, immobile, subject to hitstop, no/low tracking, slow start up etc which makes it more difficult to put power down and is the reason that most hunter players aren't able to 'do damage' without getting used to the class.

It's the same as driving an old but fast car. No power steering, ABS, launch control, lane assist but if you can manage it you can get mileage out of it. In regards to scion classes being strong, it's mainly because they are being designed with no weakness as a power fantasy to players so they have unlimited tools and conveniences that make doing damage easier and more consistent regardless of your skill level.

If every thread ended when the question was answered then no thread would exceed 1 page. Even if it was an opinion/open ended question in the title, the answer is demonstrably luster.

@Knight-Raime I just wanna mention that putting an ultimatum in your post to specifically get someone to address a point that is 1 part of a whole is pretty lame and kind of harms your credibility.

To actually address the bolded text though, the main issue with that statement is that it's not really a debatable point to make as the game has been designed completely idiotproof where you can clear content comfortably if everyone in the MPA is playing their class of choice at 20% of its capability. Seriously, failure conditions are basically absent entirely nowadays and everything that may have some sort of 'challenge' is completely optional.

Also reading Bellion's post, they clearly state that:

they won't do a thing that will allow basic classes to actually compete with scion classes in "demanding content"

and:

You will have players that say that you can play whatever class you want to clear just about any content which is true, but some basic classes will never compete with scion classes in some of the more demanding content in terms of damage output and clear times. This is based on players considered to be of equal caliber of their respective classes.

You followed up with:

There's absolutely no content that exists that you cannot do with a non Scion class and not do well with. Please do not equate ease of use as power.

They didn't say play scion or go home nor this at any point.

Translation of the title for achieving a score of 70,000,000 solo in endless battle: edge of recollection is incorrect. 'Forever Party' is the name of the title that is given for getting 135,000,000 in quartet mode of endless recollection.

The OP is correct though. Nowadays, peoples enjoyment of games tend to be heavily tied to the idea that they are being compensated for their time. I've only been playing JP for 3 years but the reason why 90% of the content in the game is usually completely dead at any time is because it doesn't really reward you for doing it. People will always gravitate to the easiest way to 'improve' their character as that's kind of the core gameplay loop of an RPG. It's also preferable that it's not to taxing so that people don't have to invest much energy into doing it. Endless rondo is big big money and yet not many people are farming it because it can be punishing.

Unforuntately this game doesn't really do traditional 'hardcore' content and as a result gearing up in this game is basically just 'run this easy thing a dozen times' so players quickly find themselves without anything to aim for since not everybody wants to play the game for the sake of playing the game. Add into that a very large customisation potential and this game becomes a dress up simulator where you occasionally do dailies. Most players don't explore the combat more than they need to get things done (and that threshold is very low due to how easy most content is if you have the max amount of players) so when something like the elder triggers come around, which is very accessable and lucrative, all of a sudden there are a lot of players doing it.

The correct answer is Luster which is currently the strongest class in like 90% of content in the game.

@MarshalTobias32 said in Has anyone beat the New survey Quest?:

^ No Nope, confirmed not badarse. Just a wee baby.~~~

If you can git Gud as my good ol pal Sam and beat a 999 Mask in under 5min and not taking a hit (trustme I know all about the guy back in JP) I’ll reconsider.

I ain’t believe in anything unless I see a flawless recording.

Uh sorry to break it to ya but 5 minutes isn't even that good especially at the time when that was released and on that class so you shouldnt be so smug about that

The reason why topics keep appearing on this subject is because that many people perceive it as an issue. Let people bitch and ask questions and stop with the provocateur shit. If you're so above the topic then just don't reply to it and let it get buried.

He is correct and the fight is indeed unwinnable. They designed it as a practical joke and even at level 90 with 14* weapons this fight cannot be done. They need to fix this optional battle so that I feel gratified in completing it and get my 20 stargems.

BiS exists but is not mandatory. It is not relative. Just because somebody performs better with a different weapon than the stated BiS does not change meaning of the phrase. Honestly how is it difficult to understand this?

Uptime and staying alive is typically more important for higher overall damage output than raw numbers. A weapon that may give you the ability to maintain uptime without having to heal or prevents you from dying may be better for YOU in that specific situation but that doesn't make it Best in Slot. The concept is based around optimal play which is very rarely, if ever, even achieved.

If something works for you go nuts but don't expect other people not to question it. Tell them to piss off if you need but that doesn't mean the concept of optimisation isn't objective.