If you’re talking about using Etoile as a sub for your force this guide will help you. Has gameplay tips in general and a section for Etoile sub
If you’re talking about going Etoile main.
If you’re talking about using Etoile as a sub for your force this guide will help you. Has gameplay tips in general and a section for Etoile sub
If you’re talking about going Etoile main.
So innocent base snow was definitely like that, wasn’t something I was like I specifically wanted but ended up using a lot cause it went really well with something else. When I got my first innocent outer and colour matched to the sea base, I always interested to swap it back to the original colour once I got the original base. I was actually going to use my third ticket to get the original base has I hadn’t gotten it yet, but then pulled it in my last batch before I got that ticket. So I decided to use that ticket to get another outer so I could keep the outfit in both colours, cause I loved the way it looked in blue.
You crossed of mikoto-Matoi by mistake that’s her dark version of the same outfit and only available from that scratch. I also got 2x of innocent outer, the first one I coloured match with the sea base, cause it was the only one I had at the time. Then towards the end I got the original base and used my last ticket to get another outer so I could have two versions of the outfit. I also included innocents base snow in the list cause it goes great with riley replica outer and so I use it quite often. I did post the list of what I got towards the start.
The reason I thought you went after all or most thing in ff, is cause I thought you wrote that. Since then I’ve gone back an re read it and I can’t see that anywhere so I’ve clearly misread that, which I do apologise for. It has nothing to do with trying to distract from we have a worse situation than Japan. I even admitted that, and even said they could just leave the scratches up permanently which would allow people to work on each scratch as and when they wanted to. But I still stand by my original point that even has a completely free 2 play player you can still earn enough SG to get the items you really want.
I don’t know what you found vague about that, it points people in which titles give the best bang for you buck, I told you what level to do storymode on, what level you need to get your classss to
You're misquoting me again. What I called vague was you throwing out a wall of renewable SG sources with the implication that it added up to the amount you'd spent.
I know full well what titles give SG and how much. I've got a list I'm working through specifically to farm SG because of how tight it is. That's immaterial to the conversation other than to express my understanding of the matter.
Since I must say it again, my point is this: It doesn't matter how much bang one-off titles give you. Because you can only get that bang once.
If you're saying it took you all those one-off titles and your demonstrably otherwise inadequate weekly income to pay for those 130 Fallen Heroes scratches in 26 weeks, what are you planning to for Mother's Disciples? You don't have 26 more weeks for that once Fallen Heroes ends, you just have 8, and presumably without those one-off titles since you'd have already claimed the vast majority of the ones you could by now.
I don’t know when you’re getting so worked up about a ranking system giving more SG to get people finishing at the top
Nice attempt at deflection by playing to emotion.
The fact of the matter is you're claiming as general advice that everyone can get top 10 ranking SG rewards, and that it should therefore be included as part of the typical SG income that every player can expect to make. Obviously, this is absolute nonsense.
You may have broken it down different but it still adds up to the same the reliable farmable SG is 10,884 every 6 months.
Firstly, what I broke down adds up to 8,762 - 11,440 per 6 months (depending on use of Premium).
Second, you are again acting like every SG scratch set has 6 full months independent of every other SG scratch set. They don't! They overlap. You don't get 26 weeks per SG scratch set to make income. With our first 3 sets over 42 weeks, we get just 14 weeks per set. If a fourth set were to be introduced in the same timescale we'd be looking at 4 sets over 50 weeks which cuts the income time to 12.5 weeks per set.
If you need 10,400 SG every set for 3 sets (and btw this number is highly variable based on luck and how much you want), you need 31,200 SG in 42 weeks. That demands 19,314 SG in 6 months, not your 10,884. Where does the rest come from?
And again, these numbers exclude Material Storage (an extra 1,440 SG in this time) and all Fresh Finds purchases.
Now is this enough to do numerous pulls on every SG scratch, no of course not but it is enough that if you prioritise and focus on the stuff you really want you can get it.
The funny thing is this brings us back to the point about your list of how much you originally wanted and what would you be happy with. You said you got 22 items you wanted without clarifying if that was an exhaustive list of 22 items you had before scratching (if so, dang were you ever lucky) or if there was say 30 items you'd be content with and felt any 22 of those was good enough.
Here's a scenario you haven't considered - What if someone literally just wants one item? This is a scenario I can present with relevance because right now I am sitting on 5,075 SG with Mother's Disciples effectively completed (it was by and far the higher priority for me) and just one thing I want from Fallen Heroes - [Persona] Attire M - with 100 minutes as I type this sentence before it disappears forever.
The math works out that I'd have a 74.5991% chance of not getting it in 40 pulls, ergo I'd likely need to spend 3,200 SG (which I remind is something like $90 worth in SG) for one item. Had there been a choice ticket as people asked for that'd result in a vast SG saving and would've been a huge game-changer for people who just wanted two or three items from the set since they would be about as likely as not to get one of them in the first 40 pulls and much more likely to get one of two or three within 80.
Sadly this is a corrective measure that would've proven extremely useful for this scenario that they ended up foregoing. But it also means I have to basically decide between the one wanted Fallen Heroes item I want and cutting my SG to 1,875 with a 23% chance of needing more than 80 scratches to get what I want from Astral Guardians (requiring an income of over 450 SG/week for 19 weeks plus anything Fresh Finds) or safeguarding my chances with Astral Guardians and of anything good appearing in Fresh Finds by sacrificing Fallen Heroes probably forever.
So... "if you prioritise and focus on the stuff you really want you can get it", was it? Go on. Solve this dilemma for me. I don't want 22 items, I just want one, and it's still a dilemma. No amount of prioritisation is going to make it stop being one.
That's why I'm frustrated that we've been treated so much worse than JP when it comes to SG. They never had this kind of dilemma. They had the increased income (both duration and amount), the smaller original SG scratch sets, the lack of overlap and no crappy Fresh Finds. JP have the designed balance of SG income and expenditure, it is demonstrably a far better situation than we have had, and it is causing even players who have been focusing on their SG income in Global real problems that they would never have had playing on JP. You cannot dispute this. It is fact.
I have never claimed everything I earned was just from renewable sources, when fallen heroes first dropped we only had outfits and titles and campaigns to earn SG, and when It was only 2 months long it was a huge mountain to climb, why people were in such an uproar when it first came out. I simply posted a list of all the possible ways to earn SG including titles and what the top end of each method could potentially earn you.
For mother’s disciples theirs nothing I actually want, I could scratch if I want to I’m currently sitting at 7.3k SG, and I’ve spent a fair bit on ff recently, plus 3 months of SG storage, and I’ve been super lazy with my SG farming recently, so I could have been higher.
I have considered that scenario the Astral Guardians scratch the only thing I really want is the Clarissa weapon Camo, but I am very well aware I could need to spend the full 3200SG to get a ticket to get the item, and because of that I’ve decided it’s not worth it atm. This may change in the future I’m saving my SG for something else and depending how I go with that, I might then consider dropping that amount of SG for it. I do totally agree with you the price of buying SG directly is outrageous.
While we have definitely had less time than Japan that’s largely due to the accelerated schedule, theirs a good chance the game will only be out for a year by the time NGS drops, even if they left all these scratches up indefinitely, which I think would be a lot better than what we have atm. We still wouldn’t have the same amount of time to earn SG that Japan did, and all of this is kind of irrelevant anyway cause my original point was that despite this you can still earn enough SG to get the things you really want without spending money on it.
It’s pretty clear you put a big emphasis on material storage and getting ALL or most of the items from ff, so I’m going to presume this is what your main priority is, which their is nothing wrong with a lot of people love material storage, but if you’re feeling the SG pinch it would be the first thing I got rid of., it’s a huge SG sink. Don’t get me wrong it’s nice but you can easily manage without it, your storage has a search feature to find anything you need very quickly.
I went into this scratch wanting to make all of Matoi’s outfits including hairstyles, accessories and emotes. The only exception to this was the mikoto outfit has you could get the outfit and accessory from an old AC scratch, and their were a couple of different versions of the same hair, I was happy if I got one of them, has theirs very little difference between them. I also wasn’t fussed about the Viel visitor pigtails variant of her viel Cytus outfit has it covered her face, was one of those things were I was like if I get it, I’ll pro use it but really didn’t care one way or the other. I then just kept going till I got everything that o wanted.
For you later post I really can’t fault your maths it was really well done.
I don’t know what you found vague about that, it points people in which titles give the best bang for you buck, I told you what level to do storymode on, what level you need to get your classss to, that you need to earn the extra SP for each class, what weapons and star rating they need to be, i even gave gameplay tips on how to easily get the SG from the extremes quest.
If you wanted a break down of exactly how much SG you get for each thing and how much it all adds up to, firstly I don’t know that off the top of my head. If people are interested in that then I’m happy to do it, but it means going through all the menus, working it all out and breaking it all down, it’s going to take a couple of hours to do.
I don’t know when you’re getting so worked up about a ranking system giving more SG to get people finishing at the top, it’s how ranking systems work. It’s also why I didn’t include it in my break down of reliable SG you can over a 6 month period.
I also didn’t including anything that’s can’t be constantly farmed when I did that break down all the stuff like campaigns, challenge mode, Recommend quests, TA etc all that stuff is essentially bonus SG you can potentially depending on a variety of factors including how generous Sega is feeling, how lucky you are, and your own personal skill level, it’s just extra stuff you can do to help get extra SG.
You may have broken it down different but it still adds up to the same the reliable farmable SG is 10,884 every 6 months. Anything extra you can get from the aforementioned stuff and titles is just a bonus.
Now is this enough to do numerous pulls on every SG scratch, no of course not but it is enough that if you prioritise and focus on the stuff you really want you can get it. While I would love way more SG in game it makes no sense for sega to give out so much SG that you don’t need to spend any money. It’s one of the reasons people get extra chars, it’s by far the best bang for your buck thing you can do to increase your SG income especially over months.
Where did I ever ‘claim’ that I didn’t get any SG from titles? I only stated that I farmed SG, and I include titles in that cause some of them are very grindy, but if you want to focus on sources you can farm every day and week over a 6 month period then let’s focus on those. Also side note yes i completely ignored material storage and fresh findes while I was doing this they weren’t my priority.
Has we are only going to focus on stuff we know we can get every day or week, so I won’t be including SG you can from campaigns, TA, Rec quests, the monthly bonus you get from battle arena, or challenge quests. Also going to presume the player is completely free to play and don’t get any of the extra SG you get from premium. This is over a 6 month period:
First up you get 60 a month for logging in so 60x6 is 360SG,
You can get 40 a week from casino, so 40SG x 26 weeks is 1040 SG,
You can get 40 a week from buster quests, so 40SG x 26 weeks is 1040 SG,
You get 64SG every PSO2 day so 64 x 6 is 384 SG,
Battle Arena is 100 a week 100SG x 26 weeks is 2600 SG,
You an get 30 SG a day from outfits on a free account so 30 SG x 182 days is 5460 SG.
You add all this together over a 6month period thats 10,884 SG and that all guaranteed sources. Again this doesn’t include campaigns, Weekly ranking of TA, rare boxes, and room vists, challenge mode, the monthly bonus of battle arena, recommended quests, the extra SG you get from premium, or using extra chars to farm SG outfits
I’m going to repost this here, it’s an updated list of farming SG, it’s pro not going to do OP any good theirs just not enough time left but for anyone else wanting items from other SG scratches hopefully it helps. Ideally this should really be in its own sticky thread so people can find it easily
Ways of farming SG:
Putting AC scratch clothes on all your chars, it basically works out to 10 SG per char, per day, so for the 3, free chars you get that’s 30 a day, and more of you pay for extra chars. This may seem like a big investment but normally get a lot of mesta back when you sell them on afterwards. If you can afford to hold onto the outfits, a good idea is to convert them to recycle badges and sell during a boost week.
Titles give a ton of SG, just go through the list and see what you can earn here are some of the best ones. S ranking Story missions on hardcore, getting each class to lvl 80 and 85, earning the bonus SP for each class, taking a 13* weap for each class to +35, lookbook likes, leveling all of your Dark Falz, Endless quests, and S ranking Earth and Phantasms with each class, it’s a 4 person quest, so the easiest way to do is have 3 people on their main class, and 1 person on a Radom class they want to get the SG on, everyone takes turns with their random class and you gradually work though until everyone gets all their classes done.
PvP gets you up to 100SG a week, and a bonus depending on where you finish each month
Challenge Quests can net you around 200-300SG a week, you need 4 experienced players.
Running free match buster quests gives you buster medals, which you can then exchange for SG, you can get 40SG a week
Casino gets you 40SG a week, for 11,700 coins, this sounds like a lot but get 4 players on mesta shooter on silver, and you can earn this in about an hour.
Running the weekly TA Runs, if you finish high enough you get SG for both solo and group times
You can also get ranked for room visitors, and opening rare containers
You get 60SG a month just for logging in
You get 44SG every PSO2 day, and 2 Magatsu Keys
Theirs always random campaigns going on that give SG makes sure you meet all the requirements for those
If your premium you get 200SG a month from mission pass, and another 60SG from login stamps, and another 44 SG and 2 Magatsu Silver Keys on the premium exclusive PSO2 on the 22nd.
This is a bit random, but doing the 4 daily recommended quests can get you SG. They drop bonus keys, the ones we are after are Magatsu Silver which is 10SG and Magatsu Gold which is 30SG
it’s very possible to farm in game [snip] I had to do 130 pulls to get everything I wanted
This doesn't mean everything's affordable, it just means you either wanted very little or got lucky with the pulls. You only needed 130 pulls between three sets? Sheesh.
In this case it can be affordable, has everything can be farmed in game, it’s just a grind. Now wether the grind is worth it is something each person will have to decide for themselves cause it will be a huge time sink over multiple months if you want the amount of stuff I wanted.
it’s very possible to farm in game
It depends, if you only want one or two items then yes, 6 months would be enough. But if you want a character set (some of which have up to 13 pieces) then 6 months might not even come close to the timeframe you need, especially now since new titles and story rewards are going to dry up.
Here’s everything that I got:
2x innocent Ensemble outer (one I coloured changed to blue cause I love the outfit in blue, Innocent ensemble base, Innocent ensemble Sea base, Innocent ensemble snow base, Innocent ensemble inner, Viel Cytus, Innocent Cytus, Mikoto-Matoi, Viel Twin Loops, Matoi loop pigtails 2 GV, Long pigtails GV, Matoi Straight, Viel Tears, Viel Bloom A, Viel Bloom B, Viel Headgear, Innocent Headgear, Matoi’s Extension, Apocalypse staff Requiem, Matoi Pose 1, Matoi Pose 2, Matoi Pose 3
Has you can see I wanted a fair bit, it took 130 pulls to get 22 items, really 19 cause 3 of those items I used tickets on. Now you can debate how lucky I was or not, when I got something I wanted about 15% of the time. Keep in mind I got all this in 2 and half months with 130 pulls and 10,400 SG, if I needed more pulls to get the stuff I needed then I would of kept going and I would of still had over 3 months to do it, and I did the vast majority of this farming back when we had way less ways to earn SG
I’m sorry you didn’t get the item you want, but they did give us 6 months on the scratch, and they increased that from 2 months. It also had the end date very clearly stated.
While I agree the price of buying SG is outrageous it’s very possible to farm in game, I actually posted a guide a while back. I had to do 130 pulls to get everything I wanted which cost 10,400 SG, and I managed to get all that in around 2 and a half months, and I only spent $10 when I got impatient fo my first ticket. Thing with farming SG it takes time, so if you don’t already have the SG theirs no way you’re going to be able to get what you need in time, unless you buy it.