Throwing my hat into the ring once more: please remove the height slider restriction. All I want is the game as it was originally designed and intended. Let me have my tiny murder machine.

And I agree that if a degenerate player actively engages in "child ERP", they should be reported and hopefully banned for it - if SEGA actually cares about this issue to the point of messing with the character creator, they should care enough to cart such people out.

Anyway, regarding the multi-thread issue. I'm not upset that the old thread of 76 pages was locked; I agree that it was just going in circles with all the flamebaiters. What I am upset about is that the 85+ posters there who were definitively for removing the height restrictions (compared to the less than 10 who definitively weren't) never got a straight answer for their diligence. New supporters were coming into the thread as late as Page 74 too, so it wasn't all a circlejerk. Multiple people posting multiple threads about the same problem isn't great, but it does demonstrate that the issue isn't isolated and needs more attention than SEGA is currently giving it (which until now has been none, which is most of the problem).

To reach the entire userbase would require SEGA to use their Twitter account for something other than announcements and retweets - which means they probably won't do it, so the forums are the best outlet for the topic. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

Speaking of polls, here's a Strawpoll; a fresh poll for a fresh thread where the subject matter is less confused or derailed. I strongly encourage all who visit the thread regardless of opinion to log their vote in this poll so we get actual, unambiguous numbers, even if you don't want to post your opinion in the thread - it would still be nice if you did, but we understand if you don't want to be named.

Anyway, my opinion? I'd very much like the height restriction removed. I want the product as it was designed and advertised; I understand if they want to censor certain things for NA audiences, but the character creator should not be one of those things - character creation is one of PSO2's major appeals, and removing features from it without warning or explanation is unacceptable. And if someone is abusing the non-restricted character creator for unsavory means, that's what the Report function is for.

Yes I know he's probably not worth arguing with, but I try (really, I do try) to value everyone's opinion equally. Unfortunately this means I'm bad at filtering trolls.

Speaking of valuing opinions, I decided to fetch the Strawpoll that @E-M-E-R-G-E-N-C-Y made, which I briefly forgot about as I was building my new PC. If it hasn't been done already, could I kindly ask someone who frequents other parts of these forums to put a link to the Strawpoll in their signature? (If that's not against any forum rules?)

@chrnodroid said in Removing Height Restrictions:

@SleeprunnerInc Thanks for understanding, I am happy that at least here I was not immediately attacked and accused of crime, as is always the case on Steam as soon as a user complains about censorship or some alteration on a game.

I just want clarity from the publisher. That's all. Altering things secretly is not a good thing, especially when users' money is involved, the matter could easily turn into scams. We are not yet at these levels but the fear is there.

This is pretty much my opinion in a nutshell and I'm pretty sure it's why this has gone on for so long. At this point my best expectation is that the issue will be addressed quietly when NGS launches with its character creator revamp, because they clearly don't want to talk about anything even when it would take literally 5 seconds to roll their face across a keyboard for a response. The best we can do is try to keep the talk going and see just how many people support removing the restrictions when the time comes.

@EternalChronicles said in Removing Height Restrictions:

@SleeprunnerInc said in Removing Height Restrictions:

@EternalChronicles So you are here to just argue?

No but i am here to keep tabs on this atrocity. Hoping it actually changes and people act like the adults they are supposed to be. Still my hopes are too high for this community. I dont ever plan on reinstalling until NGS, but since im off today figured id sit in on this tantrum that is still going on...

When are you kids going to finally grow up?

Do you have a reason for wanting the censorship revoked? Do you have a reason for wanting it to stay? You need to explain which and why, because so far all we've heard from you is "shut up about censorship I SAID SHUT UP REEEEEEEEEEE" while the rest of us have tried to be civil. I don't think we're the ones who need to grow up.

Take the hint: this discussion isn't dying. If you're not going to contribute something meaningful to it, the door is over there.

Yeah I just went ahead and blocked the troll. I would happily read and debate an actual opinion with (properly researched!) evidence, but this is someone who just wants to start shit, and I've got better things to do than argue with people like that.

Back to the subject at hand (or something related), over recent days I've noticed a current event that keeps popping up in my feeds (for reasons I honestly can't comprehend or explain, as I knew nothing of this beforehand), and I've realized that it's very much in the same vein as this topic:

This is Uzaki Hana, the title character of "Uzaki-chan Wants to Hang Out!" that has recently been getting an animated adaptation. It's a Slice of Life comedy about the spunky and slightly-ditzy heroine trying to get her (totally not) boyfriend to open up a little. Hana is 19 years old (it's stated as such in the first scene she appears in), and just happens to be really short (150cm) with a sizable bust (apparently it runs in the family). She actually acts like a typical anime teenager her age instead of like the child she appears to be (chest size notwithstanding), and gets fun poked at her for looking so young, but other characters quickly realize she's an adult and treat her as such. It's almost as if the manga exists to prove the point we've been discussing in this thread: that "young-looking =/= actually young".

...Try telling Twitter that.

As if to stomp on any hopes of acceptance and diversity I was hoping the common man had, apparently Western people who know of this character without actually knowing the character went batshit nuclear against her because she "looks like a child". There are way too many comments that use Hana as a means to accuse Japan of sexualizing a child. I've even seen a couple arts of Hana getting murdered to represent this hate that I wish I could unsee. It's bad enough that a significant part of Japan's own fanbase noticed and is vocally disturbed by the West's reaction.

I've seen real-life adults in my part of Canada who look younger than this - hell, one of them was one of my high school teachers who was 25-30 years old, and everyone treated her like a teacher despite looking like she could be a student! But apparently the majority of Western people aren't that kind. It puts into perspective that what @Archetype-Luna said about "Paranoia of Western Cancel Culture" might be more true than we might think, and it would certainly explain why SEGA would modify PSO2NA's height slider - I still think it's bloody stupid and spineless, but knowing the scope of the reaction they'd get, I can at least understand the choice now.

I saw that too, but I was holding off on posting about it in case my "snitching" would cause the devs to remove the files before all three scenes were restored.

You could argue that the bath scenes were removed because none of them were story-critical, but you could say the same about the mass of content cut from Episodes 1-3 due to the Matter Board removal that ate a bunch of the game's lore - I'm still mad that Pati and Tia's "by the way we're actually competent and contribute to the story" scenes were axed, even though literally every other scene with them is intact. (Granted, I'm pretty sure JP is guilty of this too.)

What's so bizarre about this is that the bath scenes still had dubs done. They weren't half-assed dubs either, and they weren't even deleted in post, which shows that the voice actors and at least some of the devs had zero problems with doing fanservice scenes as they were intended.

It's got me curious if either of the post-story bath scenes will be left intact - I will laugh if the girl's bath is left in but the men's bath is not, because it will all but confirm that someone on the dev team has problems with short characters showing skin. There's even proof: Al was naked at the start of the story in JP due to the circumstances of his arrival, but NA gave him an inexplicable basewear just for that scene that's gone in the next (hell, he's wearing less in the next scene!). It wasn't even frontal nudity, just a shot of his rear - and if memory serves, butt shots are a comedy staple in cartoons for all ages.

Pardon me for asking, but was the max height really changed too? I keep seeing it mentioned, but never confirmed, and I don't presently have the tools to check for myself.

The Steam version unfortunately uses the Microsoft Store's launcher as a backend. The game was very much a copy-paste with a couple of Steam's bits and bobs tacked on. The sole exception and silver lining is that Steam doesn't use the XBox Live API, allowing you to play the game on an OS that isn't Windows 10; unfortunately, all other issues the MS launcher brought still apply.

I'm curious now about if any of the end-of-episode bath scenes were left intact. One scene features the kid again and the other doesn't, maybe they'd have left the other one alone? At least that would explain their fucking problem. Anyone curious about missing scenes will have to find them on YouTube or something, I guess.

But yeah, this has gone as expected. I tried to be optimistic, but by this point it's obvious that SEGA/Microsoft hasn't said shit about the height restriction because they never were gonna say shit about the height restriction, or anything censorship-related for that matter, and they just expect us to sit here and take it. I'm not mad that they're doing it, I'm mad that they don't have the backbone to admit why they're doing it, even though this subject has been raging ever since XBox release. It's a completely awful display of customer relations.

Sadly I don't have a JP account to escape to, so unless they suddenly let us transfer our EN accounts to JP, I'm stuck with what we have here. All I can do is hope that things are different with NGS... but I'm not holding my breath.

Perhaps this is a touch off-topic, but I'd like to put out there that with EP4 coming out tomorrow, someone with access to JP and EN might want to document any changes to the story, as apparently this episode is where things get a little crazy. Any censorship seen in the localization (if any - hopefully none) might be an indication of our chances of seeing the height slider change reverted.

(I'd do it myself, but my JP account has long since been lost. I botched my password and they never reset it for me no matter how many times I asked. This happened before EP4.)