@Archetype-Luna So in a nutshell, anyone bringing the ACT law in to this is basically misquoting it and falsely representing it?

Also I do have to say I did file a report to the FTC about the false advertisement of PSO2 with pictures of their advertisement and examples of what was removed.

I did go that far cause we did not wait 8 years for a half assed game.

I'm fine if changes are discussed by the developer beforehand and notified but when they ain't and they get added? I take offense to that greatly.

@Frathlir It doesn't destroy current content on NA for the most part.

It's only after you get the rest of Episode 4 on NA that you will start seeing issues.

Not only that I suspect alot of the cutscene translations are modified to fit in a different way much like how Netflix censored Neon genesis evangelion where the original context comment was: For the first time someone told me they loved me.

And Netflix's version was: For the first time I got a friend.

So I would not be surprised if crap like that happened here.

@Alexandrious947 I would like to point one part out which is often debated.

The depiction and lore behind the character.

Another person called Snow on Steam argued with teh Child protect act that even if your character is said to be 18, lore says they are 18, depicted to be 18 but still are short and look like kids, then it's considered CP no matter what.

So technically if the Lalafells even when they are adults, had a poledance emote and a string kini, then they would fall under the CP part which Snow on the steam forums claimed to happen.

Does this then fit your argument or are you of a different mind?

I generally don't understand the law myself anymore since I keep hearing so many different versions of it despite reading it a thousand times and thinking that it needs to be so close to an actual person that you would find on the streets to consider as CP.

@MisterJaySnek Smart inner is a costume for your innerwear that makes it invisible so you only got 2 pieces of wear you can utilize instead of having to have 3 pieces.

I'm one of those people who wants to make different size characters for the pure hilarious factor of it which is why I fight the change so vehemently.

However if the developer/publisher had openly talked about the change and discussed why it was being implemented, I would be more understanding towards the subject.

The only clue we got was the age rating which is inconsistent around the board.

Game was rated M during closed testing, T during open testing, changed to M again and even then the M rating is different as on this website it's 17+, on ESRB it's 16+? Steam was what? 15+? It's so vague and hard to understand.

All in all I see no reason for the height change to exist when it wasn't discussed and it's also a case of false advertising which is a lawsuit waiting to happen (I suggest reading up on what false advertising contains).

Even if arguably all the content doesn't include X things, they should be mentioned to being removed WHICH btw the developers did not tell us which is again part of falsely advertising the game.

EDIT: https://pso2.com/news/announcements/roadmap

They are actually GROSSLY lying to us through their teeth. ''Well, we intend to keep this promise while also making sure series veterans and newcomers alike get to experience the story unfolding with each new episode release as it was originally intended.''

This is a direct QUOTE taken from that link.

@IAMCRAIG The importance is on the character development and lore plot.

Sure not everything is 100% needed info (Breast grope) but the relation between Hitsugi and Kohri IS plot relevant as if you miss out on a few of the cutscenes, you would not understand why KOhri goes as apeshit as she does and why Hitsugi is so shocked.

Also Aru's scenes do symbolize the innocence of children and how we can laugh at them while giving us moments of peace and laughter.

Trying to explain it more is hard for a person who's native tongue is Finnish and not english.

That's why I am trying to push you towards understanding what is within these cutscenes to truly understand why they are necessary and why they should not have been removed.

You are missing context within them by only thinking that it's about sex jokes which it's really not.

And even then, it's just a joke and we should be able to laugh at it cause it doesn't go too far.

@Blade-Syphon said in Allow the playerbase to vote on the future direction of the game in regards to censorship.:

@XenoBladeX37645 said in Allow the playerbase to vote on the future direction of the game in regards to censorship.:

How can people claim they like/want forced censorship with no communication as to why? Do people not realize what door you open up with that? cough cough China. 2020 has really brought forth some wild stuff. Fahrenheit 451 needs a resurgence

I really don't think you understand the word you keep using.

Censorship for the sake of censorship is bad, everyone is going to agree on that. Censorship for the sake of censoring something that isn't viewed as politically correct (as much as I hate that word) or appoprirate in a certain country is not bad.

Take the scene the TC is mentioning - It's literally five minutes of sixteen year old girls trying to bathe a young boy, who starts groping them, which devolves into them comparing breast sizes. It adds nothing to the plot, and given the age of the characters, is not something that would be considered appropriate in the west.

"But Blade,, OTHER games did it! And Anime too!". Yes, Final Fantasy X-2 had a very similar scene years ago - but here's the rub. Yuna, Paine, and Rikku were all over the age of eighteen or nineteen. And anime with these scenes generally aren't syndicated anymore in american television, where censorship rules would apply, and instead are streamed online - which is a wild west when it comes to this sort of thing.

PSO2, on the other hand, is localized and published by Microsoft, a western company. That means they have the final say on what they deem appropriate, and given the subject matter and age of the characters, they decided that's not something they want attached to their company.

We're not talking about censoring your first amendment right, we're talking about removing a scene that could easily be deemed grossly inappropriate for western audiences.

FALSE! Rikku was 17 in X-2. 15 in X.

Paine was 18 and yuna was 19.

@RainGnyu said in The censorship on being short should be removed.:

Listen......some people are legit in wanting to make a short character, no more no less. But if you open that door you going to get that grinning alley cat! You don’t want that grinning alley cat in your house....Trust me!

Sure, same with including weapons, murder, anything of that nature and we have the possibility of giving birth to murderous psychopaths and sociopaths and racists etc.

Your argument sucks and holds no grounds.

Please do a study on how high the possibility is and how many possible cases can it bring and then take in to account every other possibility such as guns affecting maniacs etc.

If you guys really want to argue that it's a gateway to possible future incidents, then here's the proper counter-argument to each and every incident.

Report said player and tadaa moderators get rid of them.

That's literally how easy it is to get rid of them unless it was literally thousands of them which is not gona happen.

It hasn't happened ANYWHERE in all history of gaming so it ain't gona happen here.

There is no proper argument for raising the height when we consider all other MMO's out there from Japan and other singleplayer games and character creators.

We have super risque emotes in many MMO's, super risque outfits in them aswell and super short characters.

Sega randomly pulling this means that someone else is pulling the strings and not talking about it which is a POTENTIAL LAWSUIT because of ADVERTISEMENT LAWS.

And just to educate people here what I am talking about:

Advertising and Marketing Basics Under the law, claims in advertisements must be truthful, cannot be deceptive or unfair, and must be evidence-based. For some specialized products or services, additional rules may apply

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising

Check part on omitting information.

@Mattwo7 Possibly.

I just tend to stay away from specific forums and would rather fight on forums that deserve fighting.

This is 8 years worth of bottled hatred anyways.

@Mattwo7 said in Rated 12+ in Europe, but Mature in NA? Why?:

@ErinXh said in Rated 12+ in Europe, but Mature in NA? Why?:

Curious to that as well, can't remember it being used by any character. But I could think of 3 characters 'capable' of saying it. Enga, Elmir or Gettemhult.

I think you forgot about Bethor. He said "sh!t".

And my favourite quote: ENGA BOYYYYYYY

@SaviorZero82 I also have another argument...

The Trails of Cold Steel series features NUMEROUS gags of Rean getting face full of boobs from teen characters and ass too.

Not to mention bath scenes where he even rushes in to the bath area.

These were not censored and are fully voiced even.

So there's no excuse for Sega in removing these.