@Mattwo7 said in Can we not cut out anymore story scenes and stop it with censorship in general.:

@SleeprunnerInc said in Can we not cut out anymore story scenes and stop it with censorship in general.:

those laws you know and remember don't matter when you go one state over

That's not entirely true for a large number of reasons, not least of which being federal law. We also have county and local levels of law. You're also implying most of us actually bother to learn every law, which is actually not true, we mostly learn the ones that apply pretty much everywhere...

For the most part large parts of the law are usually similar enough or outright the same in nearby areas on any level of the law. For example, things like littering, jaywalking and murder are pretty much always illegal on the local level. Granted none of those three are ever properly enforced, which in the former and later cases, is always a bad thing (and the former can even lead to third degree murder of innocent animals, which is illegal under federal law and most likely California state law).

We have FBI, highway patrol/state police, sheriffs (county level) and local cops (the ones at the center of recent controversy, though the FBI can be just as bad at times, not sure about the other two though).

More or less yes.

I mean some things are just braindead illegal like murdering someone, robbing them so yeah that's just a nobrainer.

But when it comes to laws about sexual stuff from when someone is legal, illegal, when they can dress how they want, date who they want etc, it becomes really really muddled across the world and even in the US.

No seriously, look up the age of consent in the USA, it's different in nearly all states with different mandates for different ages.

On another hand we also have trouble when it comes to creating ''art''.

I am using ''art'' loosely because to some people, dressing up a virtual character in X way is NOT art, and to another it is.

For instance creating a character that looks like a F1 racecar is pretty badass and art in my opinion while just blankly putting a single skimpy swimsuit on a tiny loli is not, but in the general sense, that too is art.

And when does this art start to hurt somebody? That line is ever so blurred and thin over many countries and laws.

@Mattwo7 I think it's also a major cultural difference on how they see people and ages.

Personally I think Asians are more mature earlier than Westerners.

And they are raised differently which is causing controversy..

For instance in america, you have so many states with different methods and teachings on how you are raised and so many laws based around kids that differ from state to state.

In Japan, it's just solely one law.

I'm from Finland and here we are thinking of placing certain laws lower in age such as Criminal laws.

Here in Finland, once you turn 15-16 all your criminal records are erased (Except if you murder someone) and so we are thinking of lowering it to 12 since kids are already taught about said laws in school.

Meanwhile in America if yer in one state, those laws you know and remember don't matter when you go one state over which causes confusion and mixups.

@ZeeHero9271 Hilariously... I remember people wanting gender neutral bathrooms and so on.

There should be 3 doors instead of 1 united door in my opinion.

Male, Female, Unisex.

@ZorokiHanuke said in Can we not cut out anymore story scenes and stop it with censorship in general.:

@Weirdo A few of the players wanting the uncensored content have characters on JP. They will just be porting their JP characters to JP NG. Those who don't have JP characters will have to weight which they want more. Their characters or an uncensored client. I mean, it's clear the game has added even more censors by now, and will most likely add more of it as more updates come. It seems to be part of the plan and that plan apparently won't change. So might as well cut your loses and move to JP if you are against censored content, or stay in Global and live with Communist PSO2.

Don't forget, if both releases are released simultaneously, then both clients will already have translated texts for english and Japanese.

So all you'd need to do is move the translated files over to which ever client you prefer to use.

The only massive problem for anyone outside of Japan would be how NGS handles the gameplay.

Is it clientside again like in standard PSO2? Or is it something different which can lead to problem with ping etc?

@Michelle said in Can we not cut out anymore story scenes and stop it with censorship in general.:

@Aida-Enna said in Can we not cut out anymore story scenes and stop it with censorship in general.:

@Michelle said in Can we not cut out anymore story scenes and stop it with censorship in general.:

Playing the JP version is however complex for some, they should follow a guide to create the account, and enter false data to create the SEGA ID, which asks for residency in Japan.

Heya! Just wanted to clarify that creating a SEGA ID does not ask for a residency at all.

Sorry but in 2012 when I first created my SEGA ID account, they were asking for my residential address and Japanese phone number. There was a tutorial on how to create the account, with fake addresses and numbers where most users outside of japan used. I don't know if it's different today, however the fake informations are still present in my SEGA ID.

This is mine

I tried to update the informations with my true address and phone number but they are not compatible with the field, then I tried to insert nothing and this is the result:

So, in the end SEGA ID ask for some japanese informations.

This is why playing PSO2 JP is not really a good choice. It's easy to fake the informations but many people don't like these things.

I understand that your goal is to encourage people to use the Tweaker (you are the same Aida of the tweaker right?) and I understand your position, if you know a way to not enter false information to create a SEGA ID account, I would like to know it, mainly because I would like to have a legal account from every point of view, with the aim of playing NGS JP in the future. (Global will remain censored at this point)

Psst you don't need the japanese address anymore for NEW accounts.

Old accounts can't change out of that.

@Laep said in Can we not cut out anymore story scenes and stop it with censorship in general.:

@SleeprunnerInc Did you block gamer because he called you out after you were gushing about how normal it was for you to watch the children you have access to bathe and grope each other like the episode 4 cutscene in order to defend the episode 4 cutscene?

I blocked them because gamer kept asking if I got in to any questionable acts with them constantly.

(I worked with kids. Currently unemployed as my legs are busted.)

You can go check their post history for the topic.

The episode 4 cutscene still to this date, is not anything alarming nor bad.

All characters within that scene are 16+ even Aru who is Hitsugis avatar, making that avatar effectively 16 aswell.

So GG for trying to pin shit on me Laep.

@ZorokiHanuke And I agree, posting majority or minority in any text without proof to back it up is poor.

I am guilty of doing it probably at some point but I can't remember where so if anyone wants to point me out then do it.

I've recently went and completed yakuza 6 and noticed that Sega does do stupid censorship/block decisions elsewhere.

For instance, the finale of Yakuza 6 which the whole game builds up to.. The final segment with the cutscene, fight and after cutscenes are BLOCKED if you stream on PS4.

The game is 2 years old, if they were afraid of spoilers? They would have blocked past cutscenes in the game but for some reason it's just the final segment.

I would give them a benefit of a doubt if it's due to symbolism that's show in the final segments (You can probably find it on youtube SPOILERS FOR YAKUZA 6 PLAYERS it starts with Kiryu talking to Nagumo on the rooftop about only the two going. Afterwards all scenes and fights are blocked.) but so far I haven't found any evidence for this to be so.

@Frost-Soar I just remembered seeing these graphs present through SEGA themselves, so it helped to finally know something useless lol.

@ZorokiHanuke I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that the sole reason people are leaving is due to censorship.

It might be true to a part of the people that it's their sole reason for leaving (Me being one).

But people have left for reasons such as Crappy MS launch, Predatory monetization, bugs, crappy translations (Not finished translations such as Flavortext missing), stupid changes (Blacklist to blocklist) etc.

Also if Gamer tried to @ me, I have them blocked due to past reasons.

@Hecyna 1. I am not singling out contests from 2014-2018.

I am using them as a rather great topic to show how little has changed across these charts.

1. Combining height and Breast size, to make a ''child'' character as many here pointed out, if we look at all of the anniversary reports... 4% Of all players would be eligible for that and that's fragmented across ALL HEIGHTs.

So with 20% or so making 140cm+ chars, it's very little people making these ''CHILD'' characters that would cause a problem.

150 and 160cm being respectively at 24-29%.

That's combinedly 53% of players which is over half of the playerbase.

1. Feedback or NOT, it's still proving a vast majority of people on these forums how their ''fear mongering'' is false.

And it's actual EVIDENCE instead of fabricated bullshit created by people to try and cause an uproar.

So you can't ignore these.

I would have used the two most recent reports but unfortunately they do not have character data in them unlike the other reports before them.

So we have to go by what is shown there.

On top of that, I've been playing JP for a LONG time and you see maybe 1-2 RISK characters a day (I have posted screenshots before on these forums over a course of time to prove that point WHICH hilariously enough, people just decided to ignore as factual evidence and just argue past it).

So untill you guys bring in factual evidence to support your claims, they should be ignored for the most part since there's supporting evidence AGAINST these fear mongering claims.

Also I hate how these posts get changed with the numberings.

As for what you claim, Japan surveys ARE infact something that affects Global because guess what?

ALOT OF GLOBAL PLAYERS ARE FROM TEH JAPAN SERVERS that's why this is an issue.

EDIT: And if you try to brush these reports outta the way, you are part of the problem.

You cannot just ignore factual evidence given to you.

Just gona drop these here

http://pso2.jp/players/event/6th_agr/report/player/

http://pso2.jp/players/event/4th_aor/report/player/

Both reports are from a while ago, since we are on the 8th anniversary and the current report did not have anything on character creation BUT it did have a report about the most popular clothes.

http://pso2.jp/players/event/8th_anniversary/report/04/

Why am I posting these?

Well I still remember people here on this very forums AND STEAM claiming that Loli characters were the most popular characters.

Both 4th and 6th reports disagree wtih the majority being 160cm, second being 150cm and then under.

In both cases, there's mroe characters over 150cm than under, meaning loli characters aren't as abundant as people claim.

If we combine breast sizes which both are found on those links, we can notice how people did not want to create a flat chested child character like many here wanted to demonize the JP server population for.

Since face it, if a person has developed pretty big chests already, chances are it's not a child nor can be a child.

So seriously.

However these two charts also tell that we lost a pretty big group of players BECAUSE of the height limit (combined with outfit changes, content cuts etc) so that was already a huge blow.

And the trend continues with bleeding players out nearly faster than Ring of elysium did.

@Hecyna I mean we can start looking at charts to figure out what is popular and what is not.

http://pso2.jp/players/event/6th_agr/report/player/

Here's one chart from a while ago.

And here's another http://pso2.jp/players/event/4th_aor/report/player/

These two are old ones, currently I think we are on the 8th anniversary?

But so far I only found up to 7th anniversary info which was on PSUblog and it didn't have breast size nor character sizes on it.

I'll update this once I find Segas site link.

http://pso2.jp/players/event/8th_anniversary/report/04/

Here's a report about clothing.

I could not find anything there about character heights, but judging by the 6th and 4th reports being really similar, it seems loli characters under the 150 aren't the most popular ones by far like people are claiming.

@mountainlynx-0 said in Can we not cut out anymore story scenes and stop it with censorship in general.:

Setting aside the simple fact that the characters in question are stated in-game to be below the age of consent, thus taking artistic ambiguity out of the legal argument...

The story is actually better without the bathhouse scenes. They are little more than mindless fan service, and contribute nothing to the plot overall, so leaving them as an off-screen gag ends up being more interesting. I actually found it hilarious to imagine Xiera panicking and killing the feed as soon as she realizes what she's seeing, then scrambling to delete and/or encrypt whatever's left, leading to that one interaction with Casra later.

Depicting Hitsugi in her school uniform during her in-mind sequences also does a fine job of bringing us back to the beginning. And it's not HER beginning we're concerned with, it's OUR introduction to the character that we're reflecting on. So putting her in the same outfit in which she was introduced to us does at least as much as showing her naked would have, with the added benefit that nobody will be fumbling to explain themselves to the ESRB.

Depends on the country in question.

Hitsugi is 16, Kohri is 16.

https://www.bumped.org/psublog/character-file-kohri/

Age of consent in finland is 16.

Sooo yeah...

Also the scenes are basic TEENAGE TROPES.

Dunno why adults are getting so ticked off at something they probably dreamed off or did as a teenage or did not find problematic as a teenager.