@TheMerfox said in Removing Height Restrictions:

@Shadowth117 said in Removing Height Restrictions:

So something else random and odd that I'm not sure has been mentioned. The leg slider specifically, for the 2 vertical center points that control leg height, will cause height errors on loading a char file past a certain point. NA only uses about 3/4 of that scale, just like the regular height slider.

You can actually encounter this without even importing a character from the JP version. The male CAST preset 8 actually has the leg slider set lower than that NA actually allows. So, if you change the height at all, it snaps back in the "correct" minimum value and can't go back.

Here's a gif of this happening.

That's interesting, I think it auto adjusts height on those presets, but I guess not that? Huh.

So something else random and odd that I'm not sure has been mentioned. The leg slider specifically, for the 2 vertical center points that control leg height, will cause height errors on loading a char file past a certain point. NA only uses about 3/4 of that scale, just like the regular height slider.

Admittedly most people probably won't run into this, but you definitely can for goofy or cast characters. The reason it's even here is because past that point, it will take 1 cm off the player height. But why do this at any height rather than if the player is close to the threshold? This doesn't make sense.

I've updated PSO2 Salon Tool to accommodate for this regardless, so it can fix chars to this minimum as well as the other one for body height, but this not being directly tied to height bothers me a lot.

@TheMerfox said in Removing Height Restrictions:

I prefer they keep the height restrictions. My 13 year old niece is playing now, rather not her mother catches her playing while a nearby player who is chair dancing has the appearance of a 11 year old girl, aka no chest, and no hips that should make that string bikini shes wearing impossible to stay on.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't let a 13 year old play a game where these kinds of "outfits" are commonplace, no matter if they're on an avatar who looks 11 or 21

The game's rating is M, by the way. A 13 year old objectively shouldn't be playing this.

I guess 13 year olds shouldn't be allowed at the beach. Actually, I guess they shouldn't be allowed outside in general.

Edit: Also, while it was M in beta, you should really check the homepage and scroll down now:

@Zero-Sonico-X said in Random game freezes/super low FPS drop (0.00001 fps) to the point of no return (Xbox One X):

Does anyone even still play on Xbox One X? Have the random freezes gone away for most or does it still persist? The only discussion of problems I see in this forum nowadays is PC version. Just curious on if anyone ever found a solution for reducing/stopping the game freezing on the Xbox One X to be specific.

if they're still there, I'd say they're unlikely to change anytime soon. It seems like their priorities are on New Genesis with a smaller crew maybe handling general NA fixes. I wouldn't expect much to happen honestly, but you can submit a ticket and hope they see something.

As far as someone "finding a solution", the xbox isn't exactly open enough of a platform to really do something directly about it from the consumer side.

@MoldyAsp33874 said in Removing Height Restrictions:

@ZorokiHanuke said in Removing Height Restrictions:

@SLthePyro Props for the post. Well done.

The universe series also allowed players to make very child like characters, and the game even added some short ones as story NPCs (check what happened with Tonnio and Lina in Portable 2 for a gasp worthy moment). So Sega is no stranger to child like characters, nor is a stranger to doing adult like things with those characters, which is why I'm even more puzzled at these uncalled restrictions.

In Phantasy Star Zero- Sarisa is molested by tentacles. She very much looks like a child- she very much is one in age. The game is Rated E so of course they're not complete strangers..
Like SLthePyro said- we really do deserve some transparency with the Devs- we need to know the reason for this change and we need to know if they have already planned to remove certain things from the game like the mini-suits that are designed for those who want the ultimate extreme in childlike appearance. There is never just pre-launch censorship for a game that will be regularly releasing content it's entire life and expansions- and that's just the last you see it. If they truly feel the height change was necessary then they WILL change other things down the line. We won't get a lot that we should get and the people who already put money into the game should be concerned about this. Sadly- NA is much more conditioned to burning their money on that which does not deserve support than JP is.. But even with the whales of NA- the game will not sustain itself with devs just blindly throwing content without responding to a single concern(of which there is PLENTY...) of it's players.

One of the youth suits is actually ingame. However, it's normal height instead of the child height. So there's that.

Endless and Divide are rather neat, but don't fit into the category I'm suggesting. Endless in particular is a more realized version of the randomization aspect of the game for sure and I like that. Divide, I haven't tried to be able to comment, but it's not the same sort of quest from what I've seen.

As far as story justification,they could do anything. It'd only really need as much explanation as challenge mode or battle to fit, maybe less with those around. Just do something like: "This mission is a VR training meant to simulate a combat encounter against an onslaught of particularly intelligent foes! In order to better understand the capabilities of our foes, ARKS operatives will either be assigned an operative role or an enemy role to combat each other."

@KingSkillit said in Removing Height Restrictions:

Calls for SG model to be changed pushing this thread away. I would like to see any change to the game that the players called for to happen. That would at least show we have a voice... When nothing happens with SG it'll just further solidify how insignificant and pointless this whole part of this forums is.. it doesn't matter how much we want something if no one ever knows we want it. I wonder if the GMs can expect a reply about a specific issue or if they too just send word into the void and see whether a change occurs later or is ignored.

Nothing like this happens instantly. It's clearly a contraversial thing to them for whatever reason so all we can do is keep tye conversation going and be patient.

So, something I've honestly wanted to see even in JP is having quests that are designed like Challenge Mode in the main game to play with our actual gear. Time attack quests followed this idea a little, but were pretty niche. Even though they had the Falspawn den chance and COs for more money at one point, they really weren't that meaningful as far as unique things to get from them and were very obviously never the main content. And even so, Time Attack quests were never really made to the scale of Challenge Mode quests.

I think back to things like Phantasy Star Universe. This game wasn't perfect with its missions either, but I think overall its kill to progress mission structure combined with some of the puzzles its missions had were cool and a bit more interesting compared to the somewhat mindless run in a circle or "guruguru" quests , as the JPs called it, that PSO2 is known for.

PSU had a lot of interesting ideas with its gimmicks in quests, particularly in events later on. One I always think back to is Protectors Epsilon here: https://youtu.be/EiOB_QMl3G8

The mission structure is linear, but the players are restricted in what weapons they can use and unlock more weapons back as they progress.
In addition, there was a bit of a community puzzle the players needed to solve to get the most and rarest drops in a run, a bit of a theme in PSU event missions. Players often had to collaborate to figure out what the various clues to the particular patterns in their quest meant so that they could unlock the extra drop chances. It's not really something PSO2 did with quests, at least before I stopped playing JP regularly around episode 6.

I think they tried to move in this direction a bit with things like the Armada quests, but it's not quite the same. Still, I'm excited seeing the experimentation. I'm hoping Not Episode 7 has some of these ideas in it or perhaps something new and different to all of this.

Edit: Random suggestion for another quest type, but a pvp mode where players go against players who control enemies would be pretty cool. I'm imagining something along the lines of Star Wars Battlefront 2 where the players controlling enemies build points and can bring in higher leveled/stronger enemies as they progress through the match, but can also bring in higher tier or perhaps "hero" sort of units such as maybe a boss to play as. All the while the ARKs players would be defending a series of objectives or pushing through the enemies for a series of their own objectives. The game has a lot of interesting enemy types that could be pretty interesting to play and with the right objectives, I think it would work well.

@Jwguy said in SG cosmetic "sales" and the current state of SG.:

It's PSU NA all over again. PSU had a lot of problems, sure, but the reason PSU NA went as bad as it did is because SEGA left NA out to rot, throwing it watered-down leftovers only every now and then, and otherwise just left it to dry up in the sun, while cashing in on subs.

This is literally nothing like PSU NA. In PSU NA, whole feature sets were left out arbitrarily with no roadmap for progression other than what JP PSU had. Here, we've been told what we'll be getting and roughly when. Communication could be better at times, but there's been clear attempts to get information out and fix major problems. If you think this is just PSU NA again, then you don't remember just how bad it was or the true problems at hand.

@KYBELA said in Removing Height Restrictions: snip

Listen buddy, the height thing, you're right. But the rest of the sliders? You might be looking at the UI at a higher DPI setting or something, but the slider values themselves are the same aside from the height restriction, I assure you.

I think I can actually claim to be something an expert at this point on the topic. You can google my Github and look at my salon tool if you want something of an assurance. I've been told I can't link it here directly, but I've made a tool that converts to and from the various character file formats. I've done a lot of transferring between JP and NA and even narrowed down why it doesn't always work (my tool will actually fix this by the way).

Basically though, you can transfer files between the JP and NA client no problem. Height problems come from either the human character height or from the cast height, which many people don't realize all characters still store. The problem that most people run into is they turn this off, because typically it's only a benefit. The issue is, if this height is too low in jp either from choosing a short preset character initially or from turning off the proportion sync setting and then making the character taller, you can easily have a situation where the character is said to be "too short" even if they are actually tall enough. It probably doesn't help that the actual lowest height you can be is just under 154cm instead of the listed 150cm text thoguh.

I have proof if you really need it, but since you clearly have access to both, you could make some character files yourself to test. Max out some proportions on NA and transfer them to JP perhaps. You're going to find that you're not going to be able to expand the sliders any further on JP than you could on NA. Doing the opposite, likewise, will not alter the character's proportions or ask that you limit them. Nor will you be disallowed from editing them back and forth between these proportions as you wish.