Hello I'm Riesz, but if you've seen me in-game you probably know me for the Matoi and other cosplay characters I usually play as. In this post I'll be

I created a community Discord for Ship 1/Feoh called Feoh Chat Zone, because I want to be able to discuss the game without having to keep the game open, so I can do other things like play other games. I don't really care for the official NGS Discord, or the Phantasy Star Fleet Discord (the official because I didn't like how it was run and how the staff treat people, like how they ban discussing a topic rather than punish people that cause it to become heated, as for Fleet, I just think the Discord is way too general for what I want, it's for all versions and Regions of NGS, Global, Japan, NGS, Base PSO2) so I decided to make my own.

I hope to be as hands off as I can, because I don't think myself to be the best at deciding punishment either, so I hope I won't have to. Because it's a big topic that I believe needs special attention given to it I've made a channel specifically for discussing the censorship of NGS/Base PSO2 (since some changes affect both). I also think it's a good idea to separate the channel so that the other channels don't get flooded with the topic, when people are just trying to have a normal chat.

I don't have listed rules, but if you really want to see rules most of the ones for my alliance discord (which I've also made a post for in the Alliance and Discord Section in the past) also apply to this discord. Basically just don't be a jerk, use common sense (or at least what I hope to be common sense at this point), and don't break Discord's or the PSO2/NGS Terms of Service.

Anyway I hope to build a fun community where we can organize group meetings and parties. I don't want people to be taking things so seriously and just want people to have fun chatting with eachother about things, coming up with fun builds and other combinations of things to try in the game and just basically having a good time.

If this sounds good you can join with this link, hope to see you there, and hope to have fun chatting with you. https://discord.gg/vsQFetVjPV

@Cathy Ok I'm done then that's just flat out wrong..

@Cathy said in October 13 Class Balance Adjustments:

Launcher is a slow weapon and the speed of a weapon is the biggest negative to DPS. the normal attack combo for example takes 188 frames or just above 3 seconds. Wand Normal attack combo only takes 118 frames or just under 2 seconds. That's how despite seeing bigger numbers, Launcher under performs once you actually start crunching those numbers.

Tapping Fall Eraser gives you a 400 potency attack that requires 224 frames to play out. On paper this is as powerful as a Wand counter but because it takes nearly 4 seconds to perform its DPS is a measly 107. You'd need to hold down the button for 8 seconds before the Power would overcompensate the duration and the DPS rises to 303 which is "strong enough for a subclass weapon" territory. The same thing can be said about Jet Intensity from Jet Boots. You need to dedicate 8 whole seconds in order for the entire attack to play out otherwise the DPS is below 160. But once that Final Kick is unleashed the DPS skyrockets to a fantastic 444.

Multi-Launch also does a lot of damage in a much shorter time than Fear Eraser though. You'd only really be using Fear Eraser when you're sure the enemy can't hit you, so you'd generally be using it only for burst damage when the enemy is downed anyway. But in terms of consistent damage Multi-Launch is going to do more damage in the same time than anything Wand has does.

@Cathy said in October 13 Class Balance Adjustments:

@Riesz said in October 13 Class Balance Adjustments:

That's definitely not true, as while I'm sure there's other weapons that do much more damage than Wand on Techter main, I can at the very least attest that using Launchers on Techter despite the Launcher having much worse stats than the Wand I had at the time, the Launcher still did at least double the damage in the same amount of time as the Wand. Or I should say I did that amount of damage before the time that Swift Smash finishes charging.

Lmfao.

You have no idea how DPS (Damage Per Second) works then.

What are you even talking about? How does a weapon doing more damage in a few seconds consistently equate to it doing less DPS. It's not like I'm talking about things that trigger once in a while or have cooldown or anything, I'm talking about the damage the Photon Arts do normally. And I've seen other weapons do more damage regardless if the enemy is down or not, than any of the attacks that Wand ever does.

Wand isn't even the best at burst Damage either, since other classes have buffs that increase their damage much more than Techters, some of which have Photon Arts that already do more damage than Wand in the first place. Or there's also things like Braver's Brave Combat skill which if you max the short cycle skill you can use it every minute. Neither of these Braver skills even being Mainclass only, so with Gunner for example it would lead to really good burst damage potential, considering Gunner is already about burst damage.

@Cathy said in October 13 Class Balance Adjustments:

This statement is only true when talking about melee weapons which is why the 20 potency boost to photonic furies was a big deal. Now the benefit of playing a subclass melee weapons are small. You could argue that the raw DPS won by that is irrelevant as long as it's more fun but that is so subjective you can't make definitive statements about it.

That's definitely not true, as while I'm sure there's other weapons that do much more damage than Wand on Techter main, I can at the very least attest that using Launchers on Techter despite the Launcher having much worse stats than the Wand I had at the time, the Launcher still did at least double the damage in the same amount of time as the Wand. Or I should say I did that amount of damage before the time that Swift Smash finishes charging.

Also I find Wand to be the opposite of fun, it could have been a cool weapon, and I would have liked to see them have a better take on Techter Wand than base PSO2, but it feels much worse in NGS to me because it doesn't fit in with the other changes they made to the game. If you're gonna make enemies move around more, and have much more depth to where they can go (like if you're on top of a building or mountain fighting a boss and it gets near the end it will be a pain to jump after them to fight them), then you have to make every class have either the same or better movement options than before that are more than simply the photon dash and photon glide (which if they don't do that photon dash and glide could at least use a speed boost).

The Photon Arts need love in the movement capability department too, but instead of making them have more such capabilites they nerfed them for most weapons, even Wand had better movement in Base PSO2 purely due to the fact that there were techs that allowed you to easily and quickly traverse maps.

Also in regards to Talis, idk I still saw enemies die significantly faster on Talis before this update because of using the Techs on it normally, as the alternate modes didn't do much damage, but with this update I haven't tried Talis again yet, but it's possible from the changes to both the techs themselves and the modes, that even the alternate modes are viable as the main attack now.

@Cathy Yeah I even found a vid of someone smacking the heck out of an enemy with the normal attack of Wand on Base PSO2 to do the most damage, while in NGS its more of just to down the enemy for other people to attack the enemy since everyone gets that buff from Shifta-Deband not just the Techter.

So other people using classes that inflict much more damage in the same amount of time benefit much more than the Techter does.

But even then the Talis isn't that much worse than the Wand in that regard, where if you switch back and forth between modes and the normal tech cast, then you could down them, then switch to the normal version and inflict even more damage by using enough uncharged attacks to use either Barta Blot or Zonde Clad. And then Talis also has the benefit of not having to be right on top of the enemy, regening PP automatically with the deployed talis, and being able to hit the enemy from a distance with a normal attack to regain even more PP (plus the dash attack regens a lot of pp on Talis too).

I feel like Talis just outshines Wand in too many ways and the Wand should be more of the main damage source of Techter, since Talis is shared between Techter and Force it shouldn't be better than any of their other weapons in as many ways as it is. At least in Rod's case for Force, Rod has a lot of stuff to help with losing less PP, and also has a ranged normal attack.

Techter can do a lot of damage consistently with other weapons, but from what I've seen Wand is the weapon that's the worst at that for Techter, even when compared to subclass weapons that lose 10% potency just for being a subclass weapon.

@Cathy said in October 13 Class Balance Adjustments:

I think your idea with what Wand is in this game differs from what Wand is in PSO2. It's more of a Heavy Mace / Magic Hammer. The only thing missing from it being a dungeons & Dragons Paladin in scifi coating is a equipable shield & a provoke skill. Even the name, Techter, is a wordplay on "Protector" (Pro Tech-ter). Its not meant to be a speedy class that can keep smacking while running. Stuff's supposed to be heavy. And if you want to play something faster Techter related just play Talis.

Except that in Base PSO2 if you went for using MEL rather than TEC, then that was pretty much exactly how Wand Techter was played. Besides casting buffs, you just went around smacking the heck out of everything, which did apply status effects too, but the main reason to do so was damage.

And then when they added Heavy Hammer, you could just use that whenever too, since while some enemies moved a lot, for the most part you could actually keep up with them enough to use it on them. (Though I still say the charging was annoying and took too long then too).

And it didn't drain all your PP from only using it like 4 times, even with only 100 max PP. Plus it did much more damage at the max charge level than Swift Smash does at it's max charge level, since it had an additional charge level.

And then since Wave Crash didn't exist in Base PSO2 you'd use techs with similar effects (which when tech crafting was added Zero Ramegid was useful for that since it automatically hit the enemy while doing what you normally do with wands), since that version of Techter had a skill that converted some MEL to TEC it was still viable to use them without switching to Talis.

The Wand also felt much lighter in base PSO2 it wasn't like the character was trying to hit a home run in baseball with every normal attack.

@Cathy said in October 13 Class Balance Adjustments:

I already told you why i think its okay. Also 80 frames (barely over a second) is hardly too long to charge up.

Except it is too long because by the time you finish charging it people would have already performed multiple attacks that end up doing much more damage in that time than Swift Smash does (whether from a single hit from higher listed power PAs, or from multiple hit that end up hitting more damage from doing multiple hits at once), and they can continue to use their attacks multiple times before they have to do something to restore PP. And then if the enemy is just out of reach it takes too long for the PA to move in range.

I don't know why they even needed to keep the charging action of the attack from Heavy Hammer, they could have just made it instant cast the full damage attack.

Techter isn't a PA class, the Swift Smash isn't a DPS PA, its a situational Burst PA. Similarlly Heat Wave is a mobbing PA and not a DPS PA, even if it deals more damage than normal attacks rn. Normal Attacks are easier to cancel for Weapon action. Block + counters are far better DPS than doing Wave and getting knocked back because the attack was too long to cancel out or you forego the attack waiting for the enemy to block & counter. Even the Active ability Wand Lovers improves Normal Attacks & not PA. I do agree tho that Wave PP cost is little ridiculous tho but i feel like its purpose is to discourage PA spamming on the normal attack focused class.

Then why even have Swift Smash? They could have just made the normal attack do even more damage than it does now, and not even add Swift Smash. Heck Techter doesn't even need Wave Crash to be it's own PA, they could have just made that part of the normal attack too (maybe having the AoE attack happen at the end of the combo and having the weapon action skip to the end).

Wand just feels clunky the way it is now, when they could have made it an awesome fluid melee weapon that zips around smacking everything in it's path and lighting enemies on fire with ease (like imagine if wand had a special skill that makes your dash attack do less damage, but instead you can just keep momentum and continue to just run around hitting things, instead of the attack canceling the momentum), but it feels like the most clunky weapon in the game.

The characters use them like a 2h sword but don't do the damage of one with them, meanwhile the actual 2h sword is actually pretty fast and even has a mobbing PA that also gives decent maneuverability.

Why are any words that aren't straight up slurs even filtered out by the chat anyway smh, the ToS should cover whoever is working on this game and adding these words to the censored words list from any legal action that may be taken because of people bullying eachother. People can bully eachother with every possible word, you can't just add every word in existence to the chat filter, have some backbone, use your brains.

Your ToS says this line "We are not responsible for communications made by you via the Communication Software." So act like you have that in your ToS. If you're gonna use your ToS so literally for punishment, then you have to use it the other way around too, to only add words that should actually reasonably be added to the censored words list, and not every word in existence.

Stupid doesn't need to be censored, stroke doesn't need to be censored (and because it's censored it breaks an emote), Blacklist never needed to be changed to PSO2 Blocklist, and I'm sure there's a lot of other words added to the censored words list for no reason too. Stupid it the weakest insult, so if someone got so offended by the word that they reported people over it, then they should not be the people you go by to make such decisions.

What are you gonna add synonyms to all these words to the censored words list too? You're not even consistent about it, like how panties is censored, but panty isn't. Also how have you still after all this time not figured out that you can type the chat color codes between words to bypass the chat filter, you must have seen so many instances of it by now, how does it still work that way.

How about you listen to us instead of people that get offended by every word in the dictionary?

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Pass this feedback along this thread's existed for long enough without anyone on the team caring about it please send this to someone who can stop this madness, it's gotten way too far at this point.

@Cathy Swift Smash is definitely not ok I don't know how you could think it is, it costs too much PP, another thing I forgot to bring up, the Wand Photon Arts should cost less PP (not just Swift Smash, all of them) considering the drawback of the class doing less damage because they're supposed to be more for buffing other players than doing the most damage. Because they sure eat a lot of PP for wand Techter outclassed by well pretty much every other weapon and class.

And also it takes too long to fully charge and moves way too slow to catch up to enemies. If they're not going to buff the damage considering how much risk for so little reward the PA gives, then they have to at the very least make the charging and movement speed of the PA much faster so that it could actually hit things more often, and cost less so that you can actually consistently do that.

At least weapons like Partisan do damage that makes up for the risk of the PAs (some which lock you in animations that aren't so easy to cancel) and the PP cost of them, Wand however does not.

Te/Bo at least makes the elemental down factor part of Techter a little better, but it's still not really fixing the other issues with the Photon Arts of Techter, especially Swift Smash.