@Zeara Could very well be that was the case in that incident. However the fact you can still bypass the censor with a chat command to have/use a name that is normally filtered is another way it could have been done as well. Not trying to argue it, I've just seen other players that have had names that shouldn't have been possible and I got curious and looked up how they did it(I've seen people with text macros that also broke the censors as well).
It's kind of mind boggling that the filter even exists when it can be bypassed with a simple chat command(just look a list of em up on google). I'm assuming since the command in question isn't listed as its function specifically breaking the filter is probably why it hasn't been patched out of the game yet. But, yeah, can be done on any platform without the use of third party software as is.
*Edit: Use of a chat command was how UwU was allowed to be in the person's name to answer to @Home-Rowed's post.
Don't know why you're trying to be snarky about being allowed to join the servers. The open beta went live and pc players were not allowed to play as the pc version of the game wasn't live yet. Cherry picking what I said with no context doesn't change the fact that it was exactly how things played out. If you want to "thank" anyone thank Sega's mishandling of the PC version's launch.
As for sitting in the lobby bragging...just no. You don't get anything done sitting in the lobby talking to people and I prefer to use my time to get things done on the game. In case you're curious I'm sitting on 61 million meseta at the moment, so no, in fact I don't/didn't buy cosmetics up to resell them to PC players at exorbitant prices before they even had a chance to get said items. If I had been willing to do that I'd easily be sitting on a couple hundred million, or more, by now. It's comical being accused of doing that when everything I have sold on the personal shop I always undercut the market value of the item by 25% to sell faster, and I have sold zero cosmetic items since the PC version has gone live because I stopped buying AC scratch tickets.
As for inflation of prices. You're wrong there too, I'm afraid. Mesata being thrown at people via weeklies didn't just magically start when the PC players started playing, it's been there all along, and prices still remained much lower on cosmetics(tho higher on actual gear) during the open beta. Inflation occurred with cosmetics(and likewise dropped sharply on gear) when the player base of the PC players joined the servers. This caused a change in supply/demand. More people running content meant there were more rare drops being obtained(so gear became cheaper), and more people meant there was a higher demand for cosmetics being bought on the personal shop(so prices went up). It's not some conspiracy against the PC players, it's basic economics...
This thread is just...
So as someone who's played since the beta launched and watched the market since then I can attest that the market prices on stuff were far better before the PC players were allowed to join the servers. When an AC scratch would release most of the cosmetic items would sell for around 100-300k for a couple of days before prices would creep up. Emotes/accessories would usually only be 1-2 million.
I find it comical all the upset PC players not able to play kept screaming on the forums that "xbox players were going to destroy/ruin their precious market", and then when they finally did join, the PC players themselves did exactly that. Before any player could log in run their dailies and then buy anything they wanted out of an AC scratch off the market. Now, emotes/basewears/accessories cost 15mil the day the scratch comes out.
So for someone to have enough meseta to buy up/out every cosmetic and corner a market isn't hard to believe if they had been playing since the beta started because before the PC players joined the xbox players were buying/selling cosmetics for 100-300k each, and if you are buying stuff at that price and then just stored it until now, every 100k you spent back then is turning into 10mil+ now. This isn't the fault of the xbox players(pc players caused inflation to happen, xbox players had to adapt to the increase in demand/change in prices).
For the game overall I can say that I, myself, and two of my alliance members stopped buying AC tickets because of this. Back when it was only xbox we would buy 12 tickets each scratch. We'd keep the items we wanted/liked. Trade them to each other if someone got something you wanted. Then sell off the rest of it and usually make enough to buy anything else you wanted 1:1. Now, meseta inflation for cosmetics has gone so high it's no longer worth buying AC tickets(if you pull mostly male/cast cosmetics you will make virtually nothing and be lucky to buy 1 female cosmetic for the 12 items you sold).
Whether or not you should buy it is ultimately up to you but I can offer some actual numbers for comparison. I'm by no means leet so I hope this thread wont get derailed by the "leet" players chiming in their 2 cents after this, lol.
I play Rng/Brv and I ran an astral riser +35(standard augments it comes with). On the Rockbear dps test I averaged around 1.4 mil dmg(said I wasn't leet).
With a nemesis shooter +35(with a few more augments than astral but no more directly buffing atk than the astral riser had) i averaged around 1.6 mil dmg.
In actual play the difference I've noticed/felt is while running SH daily quests with the astral riser a steady fire on average would kill 3 small trash mobs, whereas the nemesis rifle on average would kill 4 mobs at a time with the same attack. Likewise Photonic laser would typically kill bosses with one sometimes two less uses than the astral rifle would.
That all being said, the dmg increase of the nemesis over a badge weapon was enough to be noticeably felt and did make running SH content a bit shorter. I don't think spending 16 mil on the rifle was a waste as the time it's saved me on running dailies has let me spend more time farming ultimate quests(which are also now a bit easier to manage with the higher dps output).
******For those wondering why I parse low(I'm not in the 3mil+ club), my units aren't augmented with atk. I can't afford it while gearing two characters and three auxiliaries so I opted for gryphon soul/sovereign ward III/mastery III on them for the time being. Likewise my weapons aren't optimized with affixes/augments either(just saving affixes for later weapons, and using augments that the weapons come with when i get them).
@ERICK001BC said in inappropriate symbol art spam:
@SleeprunnerInc It occurred to me yes, but usually the regulations go, if there is an offensive content, you block/ban a person. You do not wait until a second offense once a breach has happened. Most moderation take these to a bit of customization based on the GM. Still like a police officer if there is a crime you don't wait till they do something else as well. Similar to a moderator, if there is a racist comment you don't let it breed into more hatred, illegal art, etc.
I highly doubt this to be true. Even in games like FF14 where the moderation is much more strict and the ever looming presence of the mighty ban hammer hangs over all, the GM's usually do not insta-ban any player. It's nonsensical to do so, as they lose customers. That is why in most games a first offense/violation of the ToS results in a temporary soft ban or a restriction of the user's privileges(loss of chat/etc). Only in extreme cases does a perma ban(ban of the IP address) occur for a first offense. These companies are about making money first and foremost, and you don't make money from customers you banned from your service.
Case in point. When I played FF14, on the server I played on there was a guild of players dedicated to running an online erp brothel out of one of the capital cities. They spammed the general chat channels advertising their services for said brothel. Most players on the server found the practice to be disgusting and the GM's were no doubt aware it was going on, and it clearly violated the ToS. None of the players to my knowledge in the 3 years I played the game were ever banned and the GM's never shut down their operation. My only theory as to why this was is that to Square the income from the 20-30 players' sub that were running the brothel was worth more than the players who were upset about it and sending GM's tickets.
@Wusscake It shouldn't be surprising that people have different tolerance levels of what they consider to be offensive. People say/do things in real life that I don't agree with every day, I don't get frothing at the mouth over it, I just ignore it and move on.
In my previous posts I stated that I wouldn't report a player, and the reasoning is very simple. I know the pain first hand of what it's like to lose an account(not because I was banned or anything). From the PS3 era I was a sony based gamer and bought most all my games digitally. My library included games for PS3/PS4/PSP/Vita, as well as a lot of movies.
During one of the numerous data breaches sony had on their servers my account info was compromised and stolen and I was not able to get my account back, even though I gave sony proof that the account was mine. I lost $2,500+ of games/movies because of that. I wouldn't want to see any gamer experience that for any reason, least of all for something as trivial as posting a boob pic on PSO2.
@SleeprunnerInc Context is key I think. The ecchi stuff doesn't bother me at all, likewise nor does the ahego face art.
People in the thread have made references to racist symbol art but I haven't experienced/seen that on ship 2, and I've put about 600 hours into the game since the open beta's started. Not saying it doesn't exist, I just haven't come across it.
Mainly all I've seen is ecchi stuff, anime stuff, some boob symbol arts, and video game related stuff, none of which I thought was offensive. I tend to stay out of full capacity blocks though, so that might be why I don't view it as being as big of an issue.
The ahego face symbol art is still not on my auto-chat any more for that reason(rare loot spam). One trip through cradle of darkness and I was like "yep...this has to go, otherwise someone will try to get me banned." It's unfortunate, but it's the world we live in I suppose.
I guess the point I wanted to illustrate(and failed at), was I wished people would speak up and voice their concern/issues with the player in game that offended them and be mature about it, rather than just insta resort to reporting/banning. Yeah, they will have the occasional combative player that will argue/harass them, but I have a feeling a lot people would react like I did and disable the symbol art that bothered them and go on about their day. Seeing any community in a game fragment(for whatever reason) is always a sad thing, rather than seeing them try to work out their differences and pull together.
@SleeprunnerInc I wouldn't be in that issue in the first place as that isn't something anyone I am friends with would do(if they would, well I wouldn't be friends with them as is).
That one particular example you gave is not what the OP and others in this thread are soley referring to(though it is included in the umbrella of things they are talking about). To answer your question though, in that particular case, no, I would not feel sorry for them getting banned as it is merited and justified.
I was more referring towards people reporting for harassment in chat(when block exists), or ecchi/anime symbol art(which people do report for which is imo a very dumb/childish thing to cause someone to lose an account over). I probably should have clarified that a bit better in my original post.
I get your sentiment as most of my group thinks/feels about the same way you do. I personally just don't report people in games for anything. As I said, if I'm ever in a situation that is uncomfortable(ie. griefing/harassment/symbol arts/whatever) I simply block the player then don't run with them any more. I simply view it more as a matter of taking the situation into my own hands, rather than trying to go on crusade to police what is and is not acceptable. What bothers me may not bother someone else, and vice versa and I try to respect that as much as possible.
I'll give you an example. Once I figured out how auto-chat worked and the command lines to use symbol arts worked in that system I made use of it. Using two symbol arts for when alerts popped, and another for when a rare drop occurred. The symbol art I chose for the later was an anime pic of a girl making the "ahego face" as it seemed pretty fitting for a rare drop happening, my friends thought it was pretty comical and we all got a good laugh out of it. However, a couple days later while running a UQ, one of the party members were offended by it(even though the pic literally didn't show anything at all, just the anime girl's face and nothing else). They stopped fighting mid-quest, then proceeded to go on a tirade about wanting to report me for the symbol art(which is griefing to the other people that were in the group). I apologized to them, and removed the symbol art from my auto chat before resuming the quest, also apologizing to the other 10 players in the MPA for the time I had to waste doing so. Then explained to the player with the initial complaint that symbol arts could be blocked individually or turned off, to which they replied that they didn't care and my account should be banned for using a symbol art that in no way violates the ToS.
^It's stuff like that where to me it has gone past the line that I have an issue with, as players that take that stance are detrimental to the health of the game overall, whether they see it or not.
Reporting people and causing them to lose their accounts(or xbox live account if you go that route) is nonsensical at best. Any player on the receiving end of that will no longer support the game, causing financial loss for the game/company.
It makes zero sense to me and is bewildering that any player would stoop to this rather than being a mature adult and just blocking the offending party and moving on with their life. Alas, sadly some people would rather cut off revenue to the game in their short shortsightedness(and laziness to simply turn off symbol arts, block symbol arts, or block players), dooming the game to a shorter life span overall for everyone.
It's not just the loss of the person you reported either. People have friends they game with, and those core groups usually all play the same games together. Case in point, in my circle of friends we all played primarily on PS4 for years. When this game was announced we all bought an xbox and migrated over to play it(very few of us even touch our PS4's any more as a result). If one of us were to get banned from the game and ended up leaving to play something else the rest of the group would probably drop the game and transition along with them. That's five players who have all spent $300+ on the game each since open beta started and would likely continue to support the game, gone, just like that... If you honestly believe situations like that are "good" for the longevity of this game, then I don't know what to say.
I would never report someone/anyone with the intention of getting their in game account or xbox live account banned regardless of how abhorrent their behavior is, especially when the tools needed to block them already exist within the game. This is coming from someone who's been playing MMO's since EQ vanilla and I've seen more than my fair share of griefing/harassment in games and have even been asked by gm's if I would like to open an incident report against other players for things that have occurred(to which I always refused and simply blocked the player and went on with my life).
By the time you guys farm enough Rising badges to actually buy a full set of Brissa you could have farmed enough meseta to buy 10 copies of each Brissa unit... Nox weapons also aren't really worthwhile either as it isn't that hard to get unique badges(if you use rare drop + triboost while doing falspawn den you can pull 500+ unique badges in 30 mins easily if you get a group that can burst for more than 2 minutes at a time, spoilers, don't waste boosters running this in early AM hours as those groups are just...bad...)
Rising badge 2 does have a set of 12 star units as well...but the amount of badges necessary to get it is pretty high.
If you wanna go cheap on current tier gear just grab the 2 piece gemini set and a P drive off the market board then put some decent augments in them(Sovereign ward III, gryphon soul, mastery III, etc cheaper/useful stuff, no need to go all out with stuff like modulator/apprentice soul as all this gear is gonna get replaced anyway). I did this on 2 characters and buying the units, +10'ing all six of them, and doing 3 augments to all six units costed the equivalency of about 1 1/2 weeks of playing the game(not a big deal).
If making meseta is an issue for the above(ie you need more than what is given via dailies/weeklies and don't want to grind for it), sell stuff on the AH. I made 10+ mil in the past week(playing only long enough to do dailies on 2 characters each day) from selling technique discs that dropped during my 2 runs per day, and turning any rocks i gathered into rings and selling them as well(I dunno why people pay 300-400k for a ring +1 but they do, surprisingly for some reason).