@Anarchy-Marine said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

then one solution, and not the best is that the value of Grinders should be lowered, as well as synthesizers.

I'm glad you acknowledge this isn't the best solution. It's not even a good one. I've thought about it further since the last two times it was brought up and there are just too many alternative ways to monetise cubes for nerfing one of them to accomplish much. Heck if you know what you're doing you can monetise both grinders and synthesisers better than just vendoring them now and with minimal bottlenecks.

@Anarchy-Marine said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

Either way, the market is already heavily inflated as is, and nothing will fix it anyway.

This is an argument of comparison that I'm not really understanding. Inflated compared to when?

More to the point, just like with the Elder outcry, the complaint isn't so much that the market baseline of items has slowly been creeping up over the course of a year as players accumulate dozens of weeks of Yerkes income with insufficient meseta sinks in the game, but that Cradle UH - like Elder Normal triggers - has suddenly and shockingly caused a big spike in that rate to make a slow stable inflation seem trivial by comparison.

@Ryoga said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

just remove them from the alliance shop [snip] I'm pretty sure many people already expect SEGA to do something about it and this seems to be the solution that causes by far the least amount of collateral damage.

I'd agree here; the only reservation I have is that the more hardcore Cardle UH farmers will have probably anticipated this and have been buying 10 (x100 for full alliances) triggers per week for a few weeks between the release of UH and a predicted removal, so they'd probably be set for a while by now anyway. It would still at least limit the scope of the unfairness, even if that limit is quite high.

@NIC said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

@Anarchy-Marine said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

Drop rates shouldn't be touched, as you need a bunch of Ex-cubes to make each individual darkweave, and the affixing process eats up augment %up consumables like crazy.

As someone who has finished my affixes, still has 30k Excubes (I haven't even farmed cradle), constantly stays topped off on 99 RDRs, and has 99 +40%s. I don't think we need cradle for excubes.

Definitely not. I must confess to be somewhat confused by the use of Darkweave weapons as an argument though; if you go the route of exchanging for 6 of them to +35 for the Lightweave exchange, sure you need 1200 EX-Cube but you also need 120 Darkstone Deimos and 1200 Luminfragment Emel which are surely far more of a bottleneck. Of the six items needed, EX-Cubes are probably the only one that is easy to get.

It's been brought up once or twice before, including on Twitter back in August.

@YagyuChan said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

@Star-Platinum said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

without ruining the affixes [snip] The 13* weps from there never really have any good affixes/slots on them.

That would invalidate some of the entire reason of running the UQ in the first place besides the 13* units and 14* weapons.

If it's not for augments, what other reason is there besides obscene meseta generation?

To be fair I'm not convinced it's as simple as the 13★ weapons missing good augments. I've got some 8-slot Invade weapons with Doom Break III, Divine Will and Factor Catalyst.

@YagyuChan said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

I reckon things should just stay as they are it is not hurting anyone

Then why does this topic exist? Seems like it's hurting plenty of people, in particular absolutely trivialising most of their money-making efforts over the last several months/years but also allowing die-hard members of active alliances to run Cradle triggers more than those of us in smaller casual alliances, who consequently snap up the cosmetics we'd been eyeing with their sudden vast wealth advantage.

@NuclearPenguin said in Events:

I guess there thought process was it wasn't significant enough to post it on the main page

The PSO2Comi NPCs' visit wasn't as important as a carbon-copy AC "Sale" we've had for like 11 months running? That... seems like a bizarre combination of priorities to me.

As I say, the fragmentation of event details which are still incomplete even when pieced together has been a bit of a source of frustration for me, but I do get the sense Sega just aren't giving our community team the full information to share in the first place so I don't really blame GMs when stuff is missed entirely. Just it'd be nice to have all the events in one place instead of having to stay on top of the website, Twitter and sometimes YouTube.

@NuclearPenguin said in Events:

I've been using only the website and I've seen every event on there?

The most recent example has just ended - Where does the website show this? Or any of the ARKS Hours or their reward claim periods?

@NuclearPenguin said in Events:

Did the PSO2Comi character thing you mention already happen?

Yes. They were suddenly standing next to the fountain after the 20 January maintenance. Yet they weren't mentioned in the notes for that maintenance, the Valentine's event that began at the time or the January Part 2 campaign aggregation page. Or any other announcement that I could find. Or even any tweet that I could find. They were just there with the date of their departure (16 February) floating over their heads.

@NIC said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

I'm just throwing out options that they could possibly take.

It's all good. More ideas are always useful - heck knows my thoughts about it could be as misguided as they were with auto-cubing earlier today - and even ideas that aren't used still contribute to the volume of feedback that too much meseta is being generated from this one source.

Sadly there's no official singular listing for all events. To make matters worse announcements for them are spread between separate postings on the website and distinct Twitter posts, with neither having full coverage. I'm pretty sure some events (like the PSO2Comi characters' recent visit to the Shopping Plaza) weren't announced in any form.

I want there to be a better one-stop information source for events by the time New Genesis arrives. I ended up making my own tracker for PSO2 events covering everything from all scratches to the almost undocumented RDR boosts we get on some weekends, but it's not really easy enough to use for me to share it around. Moreover it doesn't provide basic usability features (in particular the ability to mark off events if you've completed them) that I'd want to support. I'm looking at building a better resource but I'm not sure I'll be able to have it ready by NGS launch.

@NIC said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

You have to hurt someone, no matter what here.

I'll try and make this repetition of the same discussion shorter this time:

Yes, I agree with that.

But why not just nerf the incredible drop rate of cube-generating junk in the first place and stop the problem immediately and thereafter, instead of crippling players for the farming they did for months or years (JP) before Cradle UH existed - and failing to stop the economy ruin in the process because if you reduce the sell price of grinders below 267, players will just switch to turning their cubes into synthesizers instead and still generate millions upon millions of meseta for weeks to come.

Grinders were never the problem. Why not just fix the problem?

And to anyone who wants to cry "But my augments!", the vast majority of drops in Cradle UH are already 4-8 affixes so I can't help but think they have a way to buff the augment rate on a quest level. If the purpose of this spam was to give affixes they may be able to simply reduce the quest drop rate of 13-14★ weapons/units but correspondingly increase the number of augments so the number of 8-slot weapons is overall similar but the number of weapons is vastly reduced.

Or more importantly, they may be able to raise the rate at which the valued affixes (Catalysts and so on) appear with an according reduction in 13-14★ weapons/units. With the same net result: No impact on the actually useful drops, but a big reduction in the meseta-generating junk presently flooding the storage of all the trigger spammers.

@Theuberclips said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

On top, you have to consider the time spent cubing right now. If you remove that, then inflation happens faster than before as you can go from run to run faster.

Yeah... that's a very good point. Not only making runs faster, but with precise auto-cube settings to hit every 13★ weapon (perhaps below 8 augments) and many 14★ weapons (say below 6 augments), the need to cycle runs itself would be reduced as inventory and storage space would likely last even extended PSE Bursts, meaning not only more money generated over time but the possibility of considerably more generated per trigger too.

@Theuberclips said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

@Milk currently the best way to get buster medals is actually XQ4 at least

I'd say the barrier for that is a bit higher. Moreover regardless of how that compares with Cradle UH for medals in Japan, it's likely that Cradle UH is a better source of money and medals at the same time.

@NIC said in Cradle of Darkness Ultra Hard: Nerf the loot or no?:

Couldnt they also just nerf the sell price of grinders?

Exactly the same drawback as nerfing the cube to grinder exchange; you're still sabotaging everyone who had tons of cubes from before Cradle got UH. In fact it's even worse because it also hurts everyone who has tons of grinders from before Cradle got UH as well, including those who did convert their cubes in time but hadn't got around to selling all the grinders!

@Anarchy-Marine said in what is the point of having ps02 when ps02 ngs is being released:

I'd love to be able to combine jet boots combat, with knuckles combat

Hah! That's the combination I'm hoping we get one day as well. With dual weapons the ability to punch and kick seamlessly would be pretty cool, especially if it doesn't inhibit your options too much to be practical.