Oh boy...

@Dragon-Cloud said in Predicting the next move for the series - PARTIALLY CONFIRMED? NEW GENESIS (FULL Phantasy Star Series including unreleased PSO2 Episode 4-6 Spoilers Inside ):

In the best of my dreams NG would have nothing to do with PSO2, above all characters. a come back to its roots would taste refreshing, especially if those roots come from the old rpgs.

Pso2 main story and characters are horrendous.

Ikr?

@_Flux_ said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

Rieko Kodama (one of the most important players in PS) is still around and she hasn't worked on a Sonic game since Sonic 2. That said, 7th Dragon appears to be Sega's big win single player RPG IP so it might be a tall order for them to pull her off that to do a new single player Phantasy Star.

I'd really like her to do one last hurrah with this series before she retires (she is 57). Wishful thinking at this point though

You do realize 7th dragon is dead right?

Sega can still make exceptional products.

I would like to hope so.

@Miraglyth said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

@KOSMOSFAN22497 said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

Case in Point. The Original series is not "Untapped potential " It's finished and is fine the way it is.

Second, what? It sounds like you've read my post as though I was asking for Phantasy Star V. Please read it again; it doesn't do that. All it said was that several other longstanding videogame series have recognised and respected their oldest roots both with references to events and themes from their oldest games and sometimes even with remakes (read: Not continuations). By contrast Phantasy Star in the west almost likes to pretend that the games prior to Online don't exist. Just take a look at this AC scratch. On Japan these outfits came from a set called Phantasy Star Legends. On Global they ripped out the Phantasy Star part, tacked on a few festive cosmetics and called what was left Elegant Beginnings. Now we've got the Phantasy Star part, to the celebration of a bunch of Twitter users and posters in this topic, and none of it appeared in the name, the banner or even the promotion video for this set. None.

All I said was Sega could be doing way more to celebrate a series that is 33 years old in the west, instead of acting like it all started with Online.

While we're on the subject: Anamana ran a poll yesterday asking which Phantasy Star games PSO2 respondents started with. After removing the 55% that started with PSO2 itself, about 13% of the remaining segment started prior to Online (in other words, the classic series). That's a significant proportion! More than enough to merit the classic series being given more recognition than it's been getting.

Yeah but it's Sega. They don't really give a crap about their IP's

@Miraglyth said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

@KOSMOSFAN22497 said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

Wrong post

Yeah you've just gone back and edited some of your previous posts so I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. Sorry.

Case in Point. The Original series is not "Untapped potential " It's finished and is fine the way it is. If by that you mean it has the untapped potential to become Otaku cannon fodder for people to fap to then we both have a problem because that's the mindset that Sega has right now, because let's not forget that is exactly what PSO2 and it's Spinoffs fit that bill to point that it's a complete joke.and in multiple ways, makes the rest of the franchise look bad as a whole.

@Miraglyth said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

@Frathlir said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

Played both PS2 & PS4 in high school and I liked the "quick and agile" these two characters represented

Yeah besides HUnewearl (Online) and the Sue-type newman female Hunter default, Phantasy Star quickly turned newmans into space elves from Online onwards. Which is particularly hilarious when you remember that between them Nei and Rika had precisely zero offensive techniques. Rika had fewer and worse techniques than more than half the human party members in IV, and Nei was the second-worst technique user in II (behind six humans) after Rudo who had none and 0 TP.

I always felt turning newmans from lithe fighters into the generic magic race was a mistake for several reasons. Not just because it shreded their uniqueness as an RPG race and their musk cat connection in the process, but also because arguably the best magic-casting race in Phantasy Star prior to Online was humans and for them to have an identity beyond "Eh they're the balanced ones" as they always are was nice. Imagine how cool PSO and onwards would have been with espers!

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@Frathlir said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

This is the first camo that actually gave me CLAWS! Well, the second I guess but the one that they gave out (Nei/Nacht I think?) didn't seem quite right.

Yeah as I covered and linked in the OP, Nei Claw / Nacht was a Windows 10 launch reward for people who logged in at the time. Those are the two-blade claw that resemble the "Nei's Claw" weapons from Online 1 and Universe. The claws here are three-blade claws which are arguably more accurate to Nei's actual weapons from II.

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@KOSMOSFAN22497 said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

I find hard to believe.

Er, which part?

Wrong post

@Miraglyth said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

@KOSMOSFAN22497 said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

It just so happens that PSO does better than expected and is thus more well known to the general public.

"The general public" in the western world knew literally nothing about Final Fantasy II (actual, not IV), III or V before VII introduced the series to them, and in Europe (where the entire Phantasy Star classic series released) it seems VII was literally the first Final Fantasy even released so they didn't know of I, IV or VI either. Yet despite all of them being the definitive end to their own self-contained stories, all pre-VII games have since seen several remakes each and all have featured as equal parts of about six Dissidia games and probably over twenty mobile gacha games at this point.

What's the most well-known Zelda game? Probably Ocarina of Time. Yet preceding games in that series have been regularly celebrated and some like Link's Awakening have been remade too. Also see Mario 64 and pretty much all preceding Mario games including 2 which wasn't even a Mario game in Japan that have all been regularly referenced, re-released in compilations and WiiWare and showcased in two Mario Maker titles.

I doubt if there had been a good 3D Sonic game beyond Adventure 2 that people would have forgotten about 2, 3 and & Knuckles either. Mania would surely have still been one of the most popular Sonic games this side of the millennium.

Happy coincidence, earlier today I was randomly watching a Game Grumps video for the first time in months, and lo and behold a retro JRPG style minigame got called out for looking like Phantasy Star (7:23 if the link doesn't work). Phantasy Star I in particular here - the party stats are an almost dead ringer for its battle screen. And that was a video from 3 months ago, played by Youtubers who surely wouldn't describe themselves as Phantasy Star fans and who have never played a Phantasy Star game on their veteran channel.

TLDR: One game from the late 90s being an alleged catalyst for a series' fame does not automatically mean all prior games in a series that date back to the 80s should be consigned to history. If the Twitter responses to this AC set, the fact that several of us had been asking for it for months moreso than any other AC set, and the general player market prices of some parts of the set itself are any indication, the parts of Phantasy Star that predate Online still hold a surprising amount of love - and to Sega, untapped potential.

I find that hard to believe, everytime i ask someone the same question it's always the same answer.

@Master_OrHan said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

@GM-Deynger said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

Hi all! Glad you're happy with this AC Scratch collection. I'll let the team know about the Wren fashion/cosmetics. Are there any other character outfits you'd like to see?

From PS I: Alis Landale more faithful to original than what we got, Myau Mag Evolution Device, Odin, Lassic, and Lutz more like original and not the remake

From PS II: Rudo Steiner, Anna Zirski

From PS III: Mieu, Wren, Lyle, Sari, Laya, Orakio, Lune,

From PS IV: Wren, Rune Walsh, Chaz Ashley, Kyra Tierney, Zio, Lashiec & Alys Brangwin

From all IV: Dark Force

My point I was making earlier about PS V is, if Final Fantasy came out almost at the exact same time, why has it been going all this time and not Phantasy Star instead just the Online versions? SEGA has so many IPs they just dropped. They have no idea the money they could be making.

PSIV Was made to be the definitive end to the series as a whole. It just so happens that PSO does better than expected and is thus more well known to the general public.

Besides. With Sega currently using the franchise as Otaku cannon fodder. A PSV (Or possibly even remakes) will turn out to be crap. Due to the current mindset.