@Lanre said in It's not a revelation that ERP is banned. It is on FFXIV and other MMORPGs as well.:

@Kofi9867 only incels would find the idea of private, consensual erotic acts offensive, unless I'm mistaken? And they're....by far, not anywhere near any definition of reasonable.

It's definitely not a good thing to get too explicit in any public media. You never know if kids/minors are around. That's why we have ratings, age requirements and the like. Again, that's covered in public indecency. I don't see any missing points in my explanation, so I assume it's your understanding that is lacking?

The point is, just because something isn't specifically listed in the TOS, doesn't mean that It's suddenly allowed. Use some common sense.

If anyone is an incel, it's the people that go out of their way to skirt rules to use an mmo as a sexual outlet, there's games like Second Life out there that allow these things.

@Lanre said in It's not a revelation that ERP is banned. It is on FFXIV and other MMORPGs as well.:

・Expressions that contravene public order and morals

・Other expressions that are offensive to another person

@Kofi9867 That's exactly what I mean. ERP is not bannable. Public indecency/harassment is the only thing they ban for, and they DO ban for that. ERP in private has never been bannable in the history of FFXIV. As for PF ads for brothels and nightclubs, escort services/ERP related communities and discord servers, the key is in the wording. Do not word it explicitly just like you wouldn't scream out ERP lines in /say or /shout, that's harassment and public indecency. When you "offend" someone by talking about how you're getting it in all three holes or are sexually explicit in public thereby "contravening public order and morals" you get banned. What you do in your roleplay, private messages or interactions will never be bannable in FFXIV short of ToS changes in the future, and it's not looking like SE will ever do that.

Screaming about 13 inch dongs doing things in people in public channels is not ERP. That's childish harassment and public indecency. No self-respecting roleplayer/writer would waste even a minute of their time with anyone doing that. It's like hanging out with some player calling themselves xxSasukExxDragonShadowxx, kind of. Big yikes.

That being said, I don't give a fuck that SEGA wants to ban ERP in NGS. The chat system is literal cancer anyway, it's better that any roleplaying community in NGS move out of the in-game interface into Discord or something. For their eyes. Jesus. The chat interface is what needs Jesus, not the ERPers.

・Expressions that any reasonable person would find offensive

^You forgot this one. "Any reasonable person" I'm sure we have those here somewhere...

@Lanre said in It's not a revelation that ERP is banned. It is on FFXIV and other MMORPGs as well.:

ERP is not bannable in FFXIV, public indecency/harassment is. Read the ToS. Even advertising for 18+ E/RP venues is not bannable or reportable unless you're explicit in wording, in which case it's a ban for public indecency/harassment, not for ERP.

Nuisance behaviour "Nuisance behaviour" means speech or behaviour that hurts others or obstructs game play, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.

Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of nuisance behaviour:

◆Offensive expression "Offensive expression" means an expression in general that inflicts emotional distress by being offensive to another person. Offensive expression may include:

・Aggressive expressions such as violent language/slander/insult/threat.

・Expressions that provoke or belittle another person, such as excessive criticism, negation/ridicule

・Expressions that significantly lack consideration for another person

・Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion

・Expressions that any reasonable person would find offensive

・Expressions that compel a playing style

・Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.

(Except when in accordance with rules set by an administrator such as a Free Company Master)

・Expressions that contravene public order and morals

・Other expressions that are offensive to another person

Offensive expressions are prohibited in all places where expressions can be made in Final Fantasy XIV, including chat (including Quick Chat and Emote), markers, comments and names. Use of an offensive expression in the form of a character name is also regarded as nuisance behaviour.

Someone can and probably will report, the only reason SE doesn't ban is because someone didn't file a report, but people do and will.

@AngryRhombus563 said in It's not a revelation that ERP is banned. It is on FFXIV and other MMORPGs as well.:

@Kofi9867 No one is condoning ERPing with kids. Every Party Finder you would even find for it in XIV has 18+ on it. This is the kind of sick FUD that is doing damage to this community.

Just because you slap 18+ on a PF message doesn't magically make everyone there 18+, keep in mind FFXIV is rated T FOR TEEN, not M for Mature or anything like that, if you want to ERP, you have Second Life for that BS.

In one of those threads I linked, someone even admitted that they knew they had someone underage and being groomed in their guild, and despite knowing this, did nothing.

Hell just a few months ago someone from FFXIV got caught asking for nudes from a 12 year old, and his partner claimed that she was a "MENTOR" to the twelve year old, only one person in that guild had a conscious and helped that 12 year old girl get the help she needed because the folks in her guild sure weren't the ones helping.

@MasterDarkwingz said in It's not a revelation that ERP is banned. It is on FFXIV and other MMORPGs as well.:

• "Harassment" means speech and/or behaviour that inflicts deep emotional distress on another person.

• ・Offensive expression- Expressions that contravene public order and morals

• Temporarily suspending an account; Permanently terminating an account; Permanently banning your IP address, residential address, or credit card number; Asserting a lawsuit for breach of contract, copyright infringement, or other cause of action as may be applicable; and/or Seeking injunctive relief in any court or jurisdiction to prevent you from continuing such activity.

Congrats, you played yourselves.

Sexting/ERP has been stated under American law to be emotional distress with the involvement of minors.

FFXIV does punish users for ERPing with minors, and SEGA can do the same and above if it means they can penny pinch along the way.

Welcome to the perks of "Private Business" and "Store Policy" that all RPers learn along the way.

Don't forget that SE is also willing to part with information on the offending player ERPing with minors. But it's ridiculous how the community there actually condones ERPing with children in a T rated game, and go as far as saying it's the child and parents' fault for it happening. Things like this are almost common with the XIV community and it's really creepy to me, especially from the Roleplaying/Modding Servers.

@Zeke said in It's not a revelation that ERP is banned. It is on FFXIV and other MMORPGs as well.:

@taetett said in It's not a revelation that ERP is banned. It is on FFXIV and other MMORPGs as well.:

@Zeke said in It's not a revelation that ERP is banned. It is on FFXIV and other MMORPGs as well.:

Problem comes down to whether the bans were from reports or not. Public chat there is no excuse and have no sympathy for those bans, but private chat is different.

If someone is harassing you with that junk then report away, but what about two players doing it to each other on purpose? Neither reports yet one or both get banned. Far as I know both FF14 and WoW don't touch people if they're both doing it(Ha!) in whispers.

On FFXIV I was reported because I left a run early (didn't feel like continuing with that party), and I didn't get in trouble cause of leaving the party but that they looked into my chat history and saw I had ERP'd a few days prior and I got 1 week suspension. Happens there too. They go through everything including your retainers.

I don't ERP, but I've never been banned in ff14 for leaving dungeons early. Been doing that since ARR came out. I don't think you're telling the whole truth on why you were suspended in that game, but this discussion isn't about you personally so I won't dig. Just plenty of FF14 players will gladly take a stance against your statement because sooooo many of them ERP in that game.

To be fair, a few months back a GM in FFXIV went and started banning people for sexual venues (against the ToS) and some folks in the community grooming minors, these people started making forum threads trying to claim innocence until a few people found their websites and player info showing they were indeed ERPing and other drama, causing these people to delete their forum comments and everything and their guild went into hiding afterwards when one of the members claimed "I only RP as a bartender!!" Boy what a lie that was, because someone found their info on the guild website showing that they were an "escort".

So I take things like this with a block of salt when folks in MMOs claim "I did nothing like that!"

There's a lot of folks going around saying they had "lewd symbol art but not like, too lewd, I forgot I even had it."

"I only chair danced in a bikini in front of a gm!! I did nothing wrong!"

I just don't think these people did just that to get banned.

I made an awesome looking wolf-themed cast design for the contest... Only to find that they aren't accepting cast parts. Had to delete my entry.

@Yggranya said in Are Cast Parts Harder to Make?:

@Drakaina said in Are Cast Parts Harder to Make?:

I am the reverse I'm quite glad they're not doing cast parts at the moment because if I remember they were allowed to wear both sets of clothing the normal clothes and the mechanical

And i'm still wondering why anyone would want to be walking geometry.

Cuz it's fun.

@Drakaina said in Improving the community:

On the discussion it wouldn't be fair to ban someone because words in different regions and languages mean different things and where you are is completely harmless

Spanish for instant has "That" word for color

Would my Spanish friend get banned just because of that word

Why not just have it so if there is any bad words detected it will prohibit it from being sent and say what the word is

If Japanese streamers can get banned for saying "Nigero" meaning "Hurry", I'm sure a Spanish person can get banned for saying "N*gro, because sensibilities are high in this day and age, and no one can say anything in their native language without some sheltered North American raging, instead of pulling out a book and educating themselves.