you seem to be misunderstanding the point, someone who can't buy AC to begin with will never buy AC, and someone who buys meseta from a bot is lost money to them.
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I see so many people still posting in gamer cards. These bots have an infinite number of free accounts they can make just by creating throwaway email addresses, bans won't work, they need to be cut off at the source.
The only way to remove them is to remove their income - if they're not making money, they won't spend the electricity bill and the resources on the computers needed to run 100+ instances of the game and spam chat like they do. Chances are, though, it'll just make them move on to another game where they continue to annoy people.
Solution 1 is people need to stop buying from them! Seriously, if they aren't making money from you, they won't see the need to waste their computer resources on you!
Solution 2 is find some grounds to have their services shut down on properly - the problem with this, though, is that it isn't technically illegal, just against the TOS of pretty much every game out there. The only people who would be negatively affected by a ban are the people wasting their money on buying it.
Solution 3 is something I've posted up, an idea to have them implement an In-game Meseta to AC Marketplace. This would use a system similar to games like Guild Wars 2 (in the early days) and Spiral Knights. I'm sure there's many other examples like those if I look into it a little, but those are two I know without having to think about it and their markets worked extremely well. This solution would also tie into solution 1, which is to cut off their source of income, if the bots aren't needed to buyers because they can get it in-game without the risk of being banned, the bots get no money, and won't be able to profit from wasting their electricity on spamming us.
Hey, this suggestion, as the title suggests, is for the idea to implement an in-game marketplace, similar to "My Shop" in which players can exchange Meseta for AC. I'm basing how I think this should work off the models of multiple past games I feel have done it very well and subsequently made a lot of money from it.
How would this work?
AC Sell Order:
A player with AC (and access to sell items if need be) can place their AC on the market as a sell order. The player puts their price per unit of AC, the amount of AC to be sold and their price in Meseta, a Meseta tax is then calculated identically to the item market. (a dumb spitball example, 100 Meseta > 1 AC). This AC becomes reserved to the market and cannot be spent by the selling player unless they remove the listing. If the listing is removed after some but not all of the listed AC is sold, the remaining AC is returned to normal use. A player who wants AC looks up the current market and buys up units of AC with their Meseta. The buying player instantly receives any AC bought. The selling player receives market taxed Meseta in their sales log to be withdrawn when they are ready to.
If there are multiple people listing AC with the same price, the earliest entries at that price sell first until there are no more transactions required to fulfil the order.
For example, 3 players list AC at 100 Meseta per unit of AC.
AC Buy Order:
A player who wants AC places an offer to buy with their Meseta offer per unit in the listing and a maximum amount of AC to be received before the listing is removed. (eg, I offer to buy up to 1000 AC at 96 Meseta per 1 AC) The necessary Meseta to completely fulfil the buy order would be reserved into the market and cannot be spent by the buying player unless they remove the listing. If the listing is removed and some but not all of the listed Meseta is used, the remaining Meseta is returned to the wallet of the current character in use. Players who want Meseta look up the current market and quick sell their AC for Meseta Both players in this case can immediately receive their respective currencies, since AC is tied to the account and not characters, and the quick sell can be treated like selling items to the NPC shop.
The example used in the AC Sell Order section would work identically inverse, where the listings are depleted in blocks of Meseta until a transaction is completed.
In both cases, the listing would simply show the lowest price for their respective exchange and how many units are available at that given price as a total between all users offering the same price.
The buy and sell order markets will have slightly different pries, which drives a dynamic market which runs on player perceived value for currencies and responses to when players try to get what they want more quickly.
What does this solve?
There would be a great benefit to the player community overall, people who cannot afford AC would have an avenue of earning it in-game without taking away from the generated game funding (The AC has to come from somewhere and isn't just being given away). In relation to this is the third party sales of Meseta.
As we already know, there is a massive problem with Meseta selling bots and third party websites which have unlimited free accounts to spam lobby chats with, and by the fact they are still around, one can deduce that people are buying from them, or they wouldn't have a need to exist. Cut off the need for these bots to exist, it cuts their funding, they don't spend money on the compute power to run the game 100 times and spam lobby chats!
Why should Sega bother? What benefit does this give to them?
It's simple, all the money that was going to bots spamming their lobby chats and putting players off goes directly to Sega instead, because people are instead buying AC from Sega, and selling it to an in-game player market for their Meseta instead. The lack of spam bots will draw more people back into the game, those players could be potential buyers of AC, or could indirectly draw in revenue by participating in the M<>AC market to get their AC from other players. A healthier, happier player base with just one additional reason someone might buy the game's premium currency, but one which isn't hyper-predatory.
Create a market in which players can exchange Meseta for AC directly in-game to solve problems of both bots and people who feel left out when they can't afford to spend real money.
I just kinda just facerolled this post together, let me know your thoughts on this, how can it be expanded on.
If I can get a good and healthy discussion of this idea together, I'll keep updating this and credit the people who's ideas i highlight in this post. Let's see if we can make this happen, and make it be good at the same time. Let's get noticed by Sega, and have the moderators email in saying "the players are giving ideas on how to make more money, let's listen in!"
Trying to log into the game lately has been a lottery.
When I say false maintenance in the title, it's almost as simple as that would suggest. By all accounts, the ships are online, any service status check shows it, and you can see people in Live playing the game already - but trying to log in, the ship select shows all ships as "Under maintenance" and getting online at this point is a guessing game.
Sometimes the game needs a file check, sometimes it won't work.
Sometimes you have to reboot your PC, sometimes that does nothing either.
Sometimes you have to reset your internet connection, which is just absurd, and again, sometimes that doesn't work.
Sometimes you need to pull a combination of the three, and sometimes, nothing you do fixes it.
And speaking of under maintenance ships, Has anybody else ever logged into ships 4, 5 and 6? Ever since launch, they have always showed as under maintenance for me, never once has the game said they're online. I feel like launching under Microsoft is still causing some of the weirdest problems I've seen in any game, I guess I've just been lucky until now to never have given a damn about any other games on the MS service. This game should have remained standalone like in JP, or at least launched on a functional system like Steam, GOG or Epic.
Lobbies have a desperate issue with these dumbass scam spammers in lobbies blasting the chat with repeat messages and their damn website.
Here's something to prevent in the chat!
"WWW.PSO2AH.COM" this website is the basis of an entire plague poisoning the chat logs of every player who dares enter a lobby for more than a minute!
And for christ sake, nobody reading this actually use the damn website, I don't want to be seen facilitating the justification for the existence of this annoying crap!
This topic and any topics like this need more attention...
Maybe there's needs to be a petition mega thread to get SEGA to look in this general direction and considers an alternative to this broken crap, I constantly get crashed out for either using my Steam controller or my PC re-opening skype in the background and GG having a giant shitting fit and dying on me over it!
Publishers still cling to the outdated notion that GG stops cheaters, when really the worst offenders just find workarounds.
I'm honestly looking for a bypass to GG now just to be able to play the game, because my PC keeps launching skype in the background and when it does, GG triggers off and crashes the game so hard that windows can't even be shut down properly anymore. It's godawful!
Sometimes it isn't even skype relaunching that kills it, sometimes I can just be playing and it decides my controller is offensive, I use a Steam Controller, and sometimes it works just fine, and sometimes I get about 10 minutes of game play before I'm kicked and have to unplug my PC from the power to get to play again because the game doesn't run anymore on the same boot cycle and GG crashing my game prevents the PC from restarting, it just hangs on the restarting screen!
Am I the only person this "happy" little side-effect reaches to?
So here's what happens to me in steps:
Playing game, doing my thing - suddenly! An unexpected error occurred. and the game is gone
Try to reload the game, no more controls, fun times! gotta ALT+F4 and reboot
But wait, since the game crashed, restart and shut down don't work anymore, Windows hangs on those screens and has to be forcibly de-powered!
What in the actual flaming dolphin stunt jump-hoops of hell is that final step!? why does a GameGuard crash cause Windows to be unable to shut down or restart on its own?
I think it'd be nice if you could just NOT go through the MS store, maybe one day SEGA will just do their own AC gift cards for NA like the JP guys have, and we can skip that broken dumb storefront forever.
I love those little JP cards, went to japan once myself and saw them, really neat stuff, then my friend went a second time and got me one for my bday, the 2000AC card has Rappies on it!
Give us these, SEGA! even if you only do digital gift codes, I don't think anybody would care about the loss of something they've likely never seen before!