@RainGnyu said in I am a little upset! Starting a campaign of 525 million against the greedy green Trolls!:

I know it is childish I get that. But sometimes people only understand when they feel the hurt. I would like people to take notice. I don’t want the rare baseball card mentality. I would like to adhere to the original concept of PSO enjoyment before the greedy green troll sets up shop.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VUNRl3kAATk

What are you talking about when you talk about "The original concept of PSO enjoyment"?

PSO was always known as a game that had some extremely low drop rates and where no single player could access all items and content by design, and had many many drops outright banned from their SECTION ID, thus preventing them from getting it themselves.

There is nothing in the design of any PSO game that even comes close to suggest that you should be able to have or afford all items, and there are tools in the game, such as learning how to affix properly, which will make you rich in mere hours by selling pre-affixed items, that suddenly make all those "greedy auctions" decently affordable.

Do not blame those who play the market because you have neither the knowledge nor are willing to put in the effort.

It is just funny to me, how the majority of posters in this thread admit having little knowledge or first hand experience over the Expert requirements yet still feel like they have and deserve a strong and respected say over the matter.

And as i mentioned before, the amount of "Pro-loli/anti-censorship/#AllTheContent" posters that fought against version changes and differences when it suited them, and still do today, but are quick to agree to leave Expert out because it rubs them the wrong way.

Not hypocritical of them at all.

Many posters have already said it before, but it begs repeating, you over-estimate the impact of the Expert Matchmaking, and the difficulty of the requirements, which were clearable years ago with much worse gear and setups.

They are little more than a basic test of player competence in a handful of unfavorable boss situations, and yes, the test and solution are not perfect but it is certainly not the elitist nightmare scenario that people pretend the Expert Matching to be.

But as it often happens in this forum, most posters participate with their feelings and passions rather than facts and knowledge.

While i can understand where you come from, do take into consideration that the devs are busy developing New Genesis so i highly doubt they will bother to make such a change to specifically our version for it to last just a few months before launch.

I think it would be better if they just server merged all the ships, so the community was all together like it should have always been.

It is kind of hilarious, and very telling, how several of the posters that in the past have defended #AllTheContent and blamed Sega/Microsoft for censoring the game, accusing them from breaking their #AllTheContent promise, are perfectly fine with having entire game features removed from our version, when said features do not benefit them.

It is also sad that a mocking meme is probably the most solid argument you have brought forward so far.

I mean, between:

-I cannot beat Phanatical Phantoms, so the feature should not exist

-I chose to play on a small server against all warnings and now it´s low populated, the feature should not exist.

-I do not want less skilled players to be left with the leeches, so everyone should be left with the leeches.

-I do not really know Phanatical Phantoms well but i heard Phaleg is in it, so screw Expert Mode.

-I admit this is never going to happen, but i do not want expert to come in favor of daydreaming over a fantasy solution that i know will never be developed or programmed.

and

-You are an elitist player and i do not like you or your attitude.

The last one is probably the only one that has an iota of validity.

@ZeeHero9271 said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

Several posts

The expert mode requirements were updated because the previous ones were way too easy, considering that they were severely outdated and also allowed you to bring an expert mode player to do the job for you, if you somehow still managed to fail.

It basically was completely useless as a test of skill or to separate the good players from the bad.

But then again, here´s the problem, that the majority of you are not as good as you believe yourselves to be, yet you also do not want to be left behind by the players who are, so you determine that Expert Mode is bad for the community and fight against it.

Get over yourselves, Expert mode is not for you or about you, it´s about the top tier players being able to play between themselves and socialize and play together, and try to do high performance runs without having to exclusively play with their guilds.

I know it is shocking to understand and accept but not everything in the games you play is made with you in mind or it has to include you.

And the top tier players are not your boosters/caretakers/smoothrunners, and have every right to play between themselves and not with you.

And if your problem is that you play on one of the borderline dead servers and fear that this will make it hard on the rest of players to queue up, well, that is your own fault, is it not?

Us veteran PS players warned beyond any reasonable limit, when a big part of our community refused to play in Ship 1/2 and literally DEMANDED new servers for a "Fresh start" (on a 10 yy old mmo with a 1 year for 5 expansions schedule), that this was a very poor idea and that before the year was done, the servers would suffer these issues, because we knew the community size was not big enough to indefinitely support so many ships.

You had your cake and ate it too. Now suffer your stomach ache without bringing everyone else down with you.

Or ask for a server merge, if your server is truly too small.

@Milk said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

@IfrianMMO said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

@Milk said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

@IfrianMMO said in [Expert matchmaking,when?](/post/

I can help you with masquerade, there are many ways to cheese him as an Etoile Double-Saber, since it´s so tanky and so easy to counter, he is tougher if you try to use the other two weapons.

Heck, i am pretty much sure you can beat Masquerade by just spamming the weapon action (and timing it for the counter when he attacks) and doing absolutely nothing else in floors 1-5.

And it is not that i do not sympathize with you on a personal level, i just do not think that it should hold everyone else that can back, though. The many cannot adapt to the one, it´s the other way around.

Aw crum, I use a wand...Meanwhile husband can beat him like it’s nothing and he plays Techer, he would easily pass expert requirements. Feels bad, I can’t do it even on an easier class but I keep trying. If I ever do beat Masq I’ll probably cry!

I recommend giving double-saber a try, as it is the most easy, defensive and forgiving weapon of the three, as it is based on defense.

Furthermore, most of their attacks allow you to teleport/Dash into the enemy, making it very easy to stay close and tight, without requiring any serious physical effort on your hands/arms, unlike other classes where all the dashing is manual.

I’ll give it a shot today! I’m also trying out rod Phantom today, too. I used to use jetboots but I wasn’t reaching acceptable damage after reading guides and even my husband teaching me, something wasn’t clicking and my response time wasn’t good enough. Heck I’m open to any build I can play, we’ll see how it goes.

Phantom is quite hard and technical if you want to reach it´s maximum potential, to be honest.

Sadly, i have to go to work, or i would show you all the basic combos and gameplay of the double.saber.

@Milk said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

@IfrianMMO said in [Expert matchmaking,when?](/post/

I can help you with masquerade, there are many ways to cheese him as an Etoile Double-Saber, since it´s so tanky and so easy to counter, he is tougher if you try to use the other two weapons.

Heck, i am pretty much sure you can beat Masquerade by just spamming the weapon action (and timing it for the counter when he attacks) and doing absolutely nothing else in floors 1-5.

And it is not that i do not sympathize with you on a personal level, i just do not think that it should hold everyone else that can back, though. The many cannot adapt to the one, it´s the other way around.

Aw crum, I use a wand...Meanwhile husband can beat him like it’s nothing and he plays Techer, he would easily pass expert requirements. Feels bad, I can’t do it even on an easier class but I keep trying. If I ever do beat Masq I’ll probably cry!

I recommend giving double-saber a try, as it is the most easy, defensive and forgiving weapon of the three, as it is based on defense.

Furthermore, most of their attacks allow you to teleport/Dash into the enemy, making it very easy to stay close and tight, without requiring any serious physical effort on your hands/arms, unlike other classes where all the dashing is manual.

@Milk said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

@IfrianMMO said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

@Milk said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

@IfrianMMO

Yes my initial reaction to my name being used multiple times is a pretty negative one, I don’t think elite players are “evil” for wanting their own space, my first replies were an understanding to your plight, it’s a shame you don’t care about mine.

The problem is that you keep talking about "the leeches" as if they were the one and only problem, but as i have explained before, expert matching is not just about avoiding the leeches but about playing with the higher end of the player base.

Furthermore, and as i told Yagyu multiple times, we have to be realistic here, we all know t hat Sega is not going to develop a whole new feature exclusive to the Global version and exclusively for the benefit of a couple dozen competent players like you apparently are, in the middle of developing and close to launching New Genesis.

Whereas the expert matching is a feature that by Microsoft/Sega´s own words, should already have been implemented in Global since they promised everything would be coming to the west.

I do not know you personally and hey, who knows, perhaps you play better than me overall, but the bottom line is that you are an outlier, you are the exception that confirms the rule, and to pretend that every expert player be held back so that you do not feel left behind is a bit absurd and selfish.

And by the way, while i have not mentioned this yet in this thread, as a mainly JP player who plays NA on the side, i am not even sure if i could fulfill the conditions in NA once again, considering that i do not have my main JP classes leveled and my loadout is different.

There is a very serious chance that, if expert mode comes out in NA, i may be left behind too, but i am not arguing in favor of the expert mode because it benefits me personally, but because i find it´s exclusion and people demanding it never comes incredibly self-serving and hypocritical, and the proposed solutions, perhaps morally fair, but not realistic.

Replying on phone, sorry if the quote is sloppy

Ok first the Billy Mays line made me laugh so thank you for that.

It’s not realistic to expect anything modified or added from scratch to benefit more players, no, especially with NGS around the corner but it’s something to think about for future content. A one size fits all approach feels wrong for Global. If we had the player numbers of JP maybe it wouldn’t be so bad, there would still be plenty of medium skill level players to join up with.

As it is right now without expert mode in an average UQ it’s usually only 2-3 people still alive in the parties I join, from the last eight I’ve done it’s either me or one other guy having to panic-moon everyone. I’m not a good player, I can’t even S rank some hardcore mode story bosses, it’s pretty dang bad if I’m the player last standing. I never have any moons left and I leave the UQ feeling like I got robbed of a fun experience because it was like pulling teeth. I’m sure expert tier players feel that way all the time, it sucks, it robs you of time for more runs and more loot so I absolutely understand why elite want to avoid all of that.

My complaint is selfish, you have a fair point, I like playing with people who pull their weight. My irl friends have demanding jobs or babies so I usually run with strangers. I don’t want to feel left behind, I fully admit that. I tried to beat Masq recently just so I could feel like I’m a good player but I haven’t been able to beat it. I don’t meet people in this game because I don’t want to feel like a burden or explain myself, that’s no one’s problem but my own.

SEGA promised “all the content” for many things, maybe it’s delayed for NGS, who knows. I think alternative requirements is a fair request for a feature we don’t yet have.

I can help you with masquerade, there are many ways to cheese him as an Etoile Double-Saber, since it´s so tanky and so easy to counter, he is tougher if you try to use the other two weapons.

Heck, i am pretty much sure you can beat Masquerade by just spamming the weapon action (and timing it for the counter when he attacks) and doing absolutely nothing else in floors 1-5.

And it is not that i do not sympathize with you on a personal level, i just do not think that it should hold everyone else that can back, though. The many cannot adapt to the one, it´s the other way around.

@Ryoga said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

@Milk said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

My complaint is selfish

Worth nothing when the same thing can be said about the whole premise of the thread.

Not really, asking for a feature that was promised and has existed in Japan for 5 years is hardly selfish, asking that it is never brought to the West for the benefit of a few unwilling or unable IS pretty selfish.

@YagyuChan said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

You keep saying that I only care for half the community but I have stated before I care for everyone in the community and I feel a solution for all should be developed. I don’t see why half the playerbase should suffer to make the other half happy. This is no different than the premium only block idea I fought against. In my eyes you have ignored half of the playerbase as you claim I have done.

We both know that, a couple or three months before New Genesis release, Sega is not going to develop a whole new system to benefit a small amount of the even smaller English community.

It is obscenely ridiculous to pretend that we can get a feature that would require programming and developing from scratch implemented above the activation of a feature that already exists.

A feature which, by the way, should have already been implemented considering that we were promised all the game features and content for our NA/Global version.

We all know that the Expert matchmaking is not a perfect solution that benefits everyone but a solution that helps a big percentage of the community is better than no solution at all.

But wait, there´s more! (R.I.P Billy Mays)

Those players in smaller ships that may or may not encounter trouble with a split matchmaking have asked for it and it is their own fault that they find themselves in this situation.

WE WARNED THEM! WE WARNED THEM ENDLESSLY THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN:

Every single post they made about how they refused to play the game unless they were given a fresh start (in a 10 years old game that will release 6 expansions in less than 1 year) and demanded more ships, was warned, told, debated and explained that the Western community was not big enough to have so many Ships.

They have ABSOLUTELY ZERO MORAL RIGHT to now try to hold an EXISTING GAME FEATURE BACK because they wanted their cake and after eating it too, their stomach hurts.

And ultimately, once again, it is not the job of the expert players to make everyone else´s experience enjoyable.

IT REALLY IS NOT and you need to put this into your head, and if you want to support the other part of the community then you have EVERY RIGHT to do it yourself, BY YOUR OWN CHOICE and play in the non-expert parties.

But you do not have the right to demand that everyone else does as well for the sake of some weird videogame sociocommunism.

@Milk said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

@IfrianMMO

Yes my initial reaction to my name being used multiple times is a pretty negative one, I don’t think elite players are “evil” for wanting their own space, my first replies were an understanding to your plight, it’s a shame you don’t care about mine.

The problem is that you keep talking about "the leeches" as if they were the one and only problem, but as i have explained before, expert matching is not just about avoiding the leeches but about playing with the higher end of the player base.

Furthermore, and as i told Yagyu multiple times, we have to be realistic here, we all know t hat Sega is not going to develop a whole new feature exclusive to the Global version and exclusively for the benefit of a couple dozen competent players like you apparently are, in the middle of developing and close to launching New Genesis.

Whereas the expert matching is a feature that by Microsoft/Sega´s own words, should already have been implemented in Global since they promised everything would be coming to the west.

I do not know you personally and hey, who knows, perhaps you play better than me overall, but the bottom line is that you are an outlier, you are the exception that confirms the rule, and to pretend that every expert player be held back so that you do not feel left behind is a bit absurd and selfish.

And by the way, while i have not mentioned this yet in this thread, as a mainly JP player who plays NA on the side, i am not even sure if i could fulfill the conditions in NA once again, considering that i do not have my main JP classes leveled and my loadout is different.

There is a very serious chance that, if expert mode comes out in NA, i may be left behind too, but i am not arguing in favor of the expert mode because it benefits me personally, but because i find it´s exclusion and people demanding it never comes incredibly self-serving and hypocritical, and the proposed solutions, perhaps morally fair, but not realistic.

@Ryoga said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

@YagyuChan said in Expert matchmaking,when?:

people such as @Milk have less rights to play in Expert Matching

Ironically whenever a more basic playstyle is effective which would favor these people you get some elitists crying about how it should be nerfed and SEGA in the past has been stupid enough to give in on multiple occasions leading to situations were everyone else had to make up for the lack of performance caused by their request.

That reminds me of the "golden days" of Shunka Shunran & counter being all that a Braver needed to do to excel.

Got complained about until the inevitable nerf.