I also find it funny how people argue that they want the original pso2 experience when attacking the censorship.

When PSO2 launched and much like New Genesis now, it was a sci fi fantasy game that had little to do with the anime waifu simulator that it has become today.

PSO2 EP6 is unrecognisable from the beta and lwunch.

The game was changed over the years into what you demand to have today.

And I do not remember any of you complaining over how they were changing the game then.

So if now they have decided to tone it down for our version and remove some of the more controversial materials, it is their call to make as well.

@Lemon-Sama said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

I sure miss the PSO universe and community from 2000 to 2005.

Back then, as we discussed the various rumors over how to break the seal on the SEALED J SWORD to obtain the legendary TSUMIKIRI J SWORD, and we laughed at how much HUmars sucked in EP1&2 compared to 1.0, and we discussed strategies on how to beat CHALLENGE MODE and which edgy name we were going to give to our customized weapon, or we cried over CALUS and Elly Person, or fought over whether it was true that you could meet Rico in the garden after killing Dark Falz, i never imagined that one day, the most important discussion of PSO would be:

"We have a right to make lewd lolis and watch a shower scene in which two teens force a shower into a little kid, who ends up groping them, down with the censorship"

Things change, I feel it's actually you the one being left behind. Pushing your moral beliefs on others does not make you justified or right. And shortly after accusing everyone who doesn't agree with you a "loli lover" isn't helping your case. If the bathing scene alarms you that much, and considering this is normal in Japan, why are you playing a Japanese game?

I think you mistake "This is normal in Japan" with "This is a trope in a very specific sub-genre of Anime"

And i think we all know what non-otaku believe of Otaku, even in Japan.

Also, my "Moral beliefs" (Aka, it´s not okay to lewd minors or depict minor-looking characters in inappropriate scenarios) is pretty much shared by the majority of society.

Oh, and the law, in many western countries.

I sure miss the PSO universe and community from 2000 to 2005.

Back then, as we discussed the various rumors over how to break the seal on the SEALED J SWORD to obtain the legendary TSUMIKIRI J SWORD, and we laughed at how much HUmars sucked in EP1&2 compared to 1.0, and we discussed strategies on how to beat CHALLENGE MODE and which edgy name we were going to give to our customized weapon, or we cried over CALUS and Elly Person, or fought over whether it was true that you could meet Rico in the garden after killing Dark Falz, i never imagined that one day, the most important discussion of PSO would be:

"We have a right to make lewd lolis and watch a shower scene in which two teens force a shower into a little kid, who ends up groping them, down with the censorship"

The only consolation is that censorship and Western adaptation is unstoppable and inevitable in the industry.

What we are witnessing are the last few whimpers of a group of people who cannot adapt and that seem to be stuck and looped in the 90´s and early 00´s and that scream "SJW" and "PC" and "Pandering" to a world that is fast leaving them behind.

Used to ruling the Anime and Videogame communities, they have not noticed how the rug has been pulled from beneath their feet, and they happily and lazily shout the word "minority" to groups and currents of thought that overwhelmingly surpass them in number, but i guess their lull is positive, for while they stick to complaining in game forums, the actual fight is fought elsewhere, in schools, in the news, in the media and other places of social import.

Even in Japan they are starting to have conversations about what should and should not be allowed, and doing the first few tentative attempts at media regulation, so it is going to be amusing when the faucet of unbridled lewds has it´s stream progressively reduced and eventually stopped.

The next 10 years are going to be quite amusing , as they are slowly but surely forced to open their eyes and accept that the world has left them behind and that it is them, who are a pre-judged minority, and not the rest of society.

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@ApollosAmour said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

While that is understood this is one of the many ways we are trying to draw attention to the question at hand.

It's annoying people because it already has everyone's attention. Changes have been implemented over much less because all they needed was a GM to pass the suggestion along. The GMs have already done that in these threads multiple times now, but it's never enough. People are just getting tired of it, regardless of their stance on the changes.

The problem here is that several of them have already declared, in previous threads, that they will keep opening them until they get what they want.

They have already said that if SEGA/Microsoft say "No" to their "suggestion" then they will keep "fighting" and making these threads until they change their minds, apparently spurred by the fact that after several years and a declining business model, Elin Online, sorry, i mean, Tera online has decided to uncensor the Elin (as they are 90% of their revenue).

So they basically believe and assume that they can brute force-whine any change they want, and thus their current behaviour.

Also I would stop if they would issue an official response on it and I don't go back on my promises. Even if they said it is for protection reasons I might not agree with it but I wouldn't complain anymore since I have the reason. Also I appreciate the GMs passing it along but a response should be issued otherwise people will continue and that is not my fault it is what they believe in.

But the thing is, that has already happened.

They have not answered to the "feedback" and they have added MORE censorship to the game since the complaint was first passed on, exactly what do you think that means?

It´s not brain science or rocket surgery.

That cannot be counted as an official response even if they censor the entire game it is not talking to the community.

Yes, because Microsoft and Sega have a good record of "Talking to the community" on their complaints since the betas unless it´s "good news", do they not?

Face it, them ignoring your complaint is the same as saying no, that´s how they have behaved since PSO2NA became a thing, and no, i do not agree with this behavor either, but it is what it is.

So using something that is well known as an excuse to keep flooding the forums is ridiculous.

Well Microsoft has nothing to do with the game besides funding it and it is SEGA of Japan that must address this. I will still hold out for an official response because this is not one since we must wait for Japan to read the feedback and keep providing it since more and more people join every day to express their feelings on this very topic. I do not dictate the actions of these people and if they want they could revive such a thread if they wanted since there is no rule against it since it was already a thread anyways unless said thread was locked.

Since Microsoft is the publisher i am pretty much sure they have plenty to say on what content they publish in the West.

Yes, Japan is obviously the one who MAKES the changes but obviously Microsoft has a say and an input on which changes happen and why they happen, including the differing monetization etc.

Microsoft is the one legally responsible for the release so obviously all kinds of censorship and the lack of has a lot to do with them.

Last time I checked SEGA is the developer and Publisher.

Microsoft provides the servers and publishes the game in the West, they also hold the rights in the West, what Steam says is basically irrelevant and it´s not like it´s the first time they are wrong.

Feel free to ask the staff though.

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@ApollosAmour said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

While that is understood this is one of the many ways we are trying to draw attention to the question at hand.

It's annoying people because it already has everyone's attention. Changes have been implemented over much less because all they needed was a GM to pass the suggestion along. The GMs have already done that in these threads multiple times now, but it's never enough. People are just getting tired of it, regardless of their stance on the changes.

The problem here is that several of them have already declared, in previous threads, that they will keep opening them until they get what they want.

They have already said that if SEGA/Microsoft say "No" to their "suggestion" then they will keep "fighting" and making these threads until they change their minds, apparently spurred by the fact that after several years and a declining business model, Elin Online, sorry, i mean, Tera online has decided to uncensor the Elin (as they are 90% of their revenue).

So they basically believe and assume that they can brute force-whine any change they want, and thus their current behaviour.

Also I would stop if they would issue an official response on it and I don't go back on my promises. Even if they said it is for protection reasons I might not agree with it but I wouldn't complain anymore since I have the reason. Also I appreciate the GMs passing it along but a response should be issued otherwise people will continue and that is not my fault it is what they believe in.

But the thing is, that has already happened.

They have not answered to the "feedback" and they have added MORE censorship to the game since the complaint was first passed on, exactly what do you think that means?

It´s not brain science or rocket surgery.

That cannot be counted as an official response even if they censor the entire game it is not talking to the community.

Yes, because Microsoft and Sega have a good record of "Talking to the community" on their complaints since the betas unless it´s "good news", do they not?

Face it, them ignoring your complaint is the same as saying no, that´s how they have behaved since PSO2NA became a thing, and no, i do not agree with this behavor either, but it is what it is.

So using something that is well known as an excuse to keep flooding the forums is ridiculous.

Well Microsoft has nothing to do with the game besides funding it and it is SEGA of Japan that must address this. I will still hold out for an official response because this is not one since we must wait for Japan to read the feedback and keep providing it since more and more people join every day to express their feelings on this very topic. I do not dictate the actions of these people and if they want they could revive such a thread if they wanted since there is no rule against it since it was already a thread anyways unless said thread was locked.

Since Microsoft is the publisher i am pretty much sure they have plenty to say on what content they publish in the West.

Yes, Japan is obviously the one who MAKES the changes but obviously Microsoft has a say and an input on which changes happen and why they happen, including the differing monetization etc.

Microsoft is the one legally responsible for the release so obviously all kinds of censorship and the lack of has a lot to do with them.

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@ApollosAmour said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

While that is understood this is one of the many ways we are trying to draw attention to the question at hand.

It's annoying people because it already has everyone's attention. Changes have been implemented over much less because all they needed was a GM to pass the suggestion along. The GMs have already done that in these threads multiple times now, but it's never enough. People are just getting tired of it, regardless of their stance on the changes.

The problem here is that several of them have already declared, in previous threads, that they will keep opening them until they get what they want.

They have already said that if SEGA/Microsoft say "No" to their "suggestion" then they will keep "fighting" and making these threads until they change their minds, apparently spurred by the fact that after several years and a declining business model, Elin Online, sorry, i mean, Tera online has decided to uncensor the Elin (as they are 90% of their revenue).

So they basically believe and assume that they can brute force-whine any change they want, and thus their current behaviour.

Also I would stop if they would issue an official response on it and I don't go back on my promises. Even if they said it is for protection reasons I might not agree with it but I wouldn't complain anymore since I have the reason. Also I appreciate the GMs passing it along but a response should be issued otherwise people will continue and that is not my fault it is what they believe in.

But the thing is, that has already happened.

They have not answered to the "feedback" and they have added MORE censorship to the game since the complaint was first passed on, exactly what do you think that means?

It´s not brain science or rocket surgery.

That cannot be counted as an official response even if they censor the entire game it is not talking to the community.

Yes, because Microsoft and Sega have a good record of "Talking to the community" on their complaints since the betas unless it´s "good news", do they not?

Face it, them ignoring your complaint is the same as saying no, that´s how they have behaved since PSO2NA became a thing, and no, i do not agree with this behavor either, but it is what it is.

So using something that is well known as an excuse to keep flooding the forums is ridiculous.

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@ApollosAmour said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

While that is understood this is one of the many ways we are trying to draw attention to the question at hand.

It's annoying people because it already has everyone's attention. Changes have been implemented over much less because all they needed was a GM to pass the suggestion along. The GMs have already done that in these threads multiple times now, but it's never enough. People are just getting tired of it, regardless of their stance on the changes.

The problem here is that several of them have already declared, in previous threads, that they will keep opening them until they get what they want.

They have already said that if SEGA/Microsoft say "No" to their "suggestion" then they will keep "fighting" and making these threads until they change their minds, apparently spurred by the fact that after several years and a declining business model, Elin Online, sorry, i mean, Tera online has decided to uncensor the Elin (as they are 90% of their revenue).

So they basically believe and assume that they can brute force-whine any change they want, and thus their current behaviour.

Also I would stop if they would issue an official response on it and I don't go back on my promises. Even if they said it is for protection reasons I might not agree with it but I wouldn't complain anymore since I have the reason. Also I appreciate the GMs passing it along but a response should be issued otherwise people will continue and that is not my fault it is what they believe in.

But the thing is, that has already happened.

They have not answered to the "feedback" and they have added MORE censorship to the game since the complaint was first passed on, exactly what do you think that means?

It´s not brain science or rocket surgery.

@ApollosAmour said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

While that is understood this is one of the many ways we are trying to draw attention to the question at hand.

It's annoying people because it already has everyone's attention. Changes have been implemented over much less because all they needed was a GM to pass the suggestion along. The GMs have already done that in these threads multiple times now, but it's never enough. People are just getting tired of it, regardless of their stance on the changes.

The problem here is that several of them have already declared, in previous threads, that they will keep opening them until they get what they want.

They have already said that if SEGA/Microsoft say "No" to their "suggestion" then they will keep "fighting" and making these threads until they change their minds, apparently spurred by the fact that after several years and a declining business model, Elin Online, sorry, i mean, Tera online has decided to uncensor the Elin (as they are 90% of their revenue).

So they basically believe and assume that they can brute force-whine any change they want, and thus their current behaviour.

@YagyuChan said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@IfrianMMO said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@Anarchy-Marine said in If they lift the censorship and height restriction I will quit the game!:

@RainGnyu Well, that goes both ways. I can't speak for them, but I've seen you post numerous times asking for thread locks, and on the rare occasions, bans of user accounts, simply for bringing up the very censorship, you are threatening to leave for, if removed.

I can't say that I want you to quit the game for something like censorship, but that seems to be your prerogative. And you shouldn't be surprised to be receiving the same attitude that you have been treating others with. The universe has a way of balancing things out. You say you want comradery, but won't accept those that want censorship removed, let alone tolerate them.

If you leave or stay, should the censorship get removed, either way, that's your choice, as several others have told us, that it is our choice to leave, if censorship as is stays, or gets worse.

The thing is, at this point they deserve bans.

How many threads about this very same topic have already been closed?

How many more have been unsuccessfully created?

Do you really believe that after 50 or 70 of these threads, the moderation staff has not already sent the feedback to the relevant parties, just like they report every other feedback faithfully?

At this point the loli brigade is doing nothing but flood the forum with the same topic written in slightly different ways every single day, literally every single day, throwing a tantrum like a little child whose parents have refused a new toy while shopping.

It´s pathetic and creepy beyond description.

we would stop making more threads if the pro censors wouldn't try so hard to get them shut down on purpose. Also if you don't want to listen to it then I politely remind you that there is a ignore button at the top right of the page but in the end it is your choice to use it. Nobody deserves a ban for discussion and feedback.

You deserve a ban for flooding the forum with the same topic and re-opening threads that have already been closed several times, which is blatantly against the rules.

The GM have already passed your suggestion on, there is literally NOTHING to be done until the feedback is answered to, and what you guys are doing is nothing short of incendiary.

Also, you are a massive hypocrite considering this very thread is about keeping the censorship yet all of you have flocked to it just as much as you claim we do in yours.