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Schvelle and ultimate boosters aside, pure photons are an issue as well as they drop only from event UQ.
I never got more than 2 per run with 250%RDR+100%Tri and I saved around 150 since they started dropping months ago (altho I used some, so I got a little more than that).
I don't know how they expect people that started playing recently to (realistcally) gather 150 for Liberate/Ofz units just by farming event UQs.
@Jamesmor It was just an heads up, as that user that said that progressed for about 0.2% with 6 mobs sounded kinda strange
The completion % seems to be affected by boosts.
If you disconnect/leave/abandon/disband before completing the quest (ie. before defeating map's boss), you'll lose any progress as it's not recorded right after enemies are killed.
@Mister-Sparkle I have enough PP (~250) to move them around too, but we should not be forced to do that and, as you said, it's a luxury that not everyone can afford: support rolls, like any other sweet, should be farmable and it should've been since long.
Being robbed by exploiters or create/delete chars to obtain a sweet that is often necessary should not be the options available, I think that many of us wrote that and the GM completely ignored it.
On top of that, there are other substantial sweets missing and I'm not willing to go and check if naverius ulti drops conversion roll as I'm already frustrated by the fact that, unlike you, I'ven't met a single luminmech yet.
But I agree with your solution for the exploit, altho I highly doubt, at this point, that they will deal with it.
@Miraglyth said in 14* Jinga drop rate is very concerning:
Agh, none anywhere? And the story ones iirc don't count for collection folders. That's a bit of a nuisance. I've got some sheets up to 100% elsewhere already and was about to start looking into that lol.
Edit: Hearing they might appear in emergency trials, but that sounds pretty rare and they probably don't add that much progress. And to confirm, Story ones don't count for collection folder.
I have tried everything, I've yet to see one outside story (and, as you said, those do not count).
The problem is that now I'm basically forced to farm everything with summoner to try and get some eggs I need (I got 8 14* wanda, 3 marrons, 2 melons, 2 redran, 1 trim, 2 sally and 0 jinga/synchro) , and with the lack of a reliable way to obtain ultimate boosters (there's no exchange)/pure photons, no schvelle upgrade from cleasis (after having farmed thousands of boosters), it adds up to the frustration.
@Miraglyth said in 14* Jinga drop rate is very concerning:
There are some new sweets that seem to be appearing elsewhere. Provided they have a decent non-temporary source it doesn't have to be the RWB5 exchange. We probably need a few days to find out more.
I'm not disappointed at what's available, it's fairly decent and useful, but about the fact that some of the sweets we repeatedly wrote about were left off, conversion, barrier and support rolls for example.
The latter is what has annoyed me the most, due to the fact that there are players exploiting the "create/delete" character trick to sell/farm an infinite amount of support rolls that never ever dropped anywhere, and @GM-Deynger, supposedly, had read about this issue.
@Miraglyth Just saw it, the problem is that there aren't Luminmechs in UH so... both eggs and weapon collections are useless at the moment.
Sweets are a major disappointment too, it looks like they didn't thoroughly read what everyone wrote.
Now I never complained and I usually don't like to, but I'm very disappointed by this patch as I feel trolled by it and not only for summoner: most of what has been introduced with EP6 is unobtainable, either by the lack of required mobs or required mats/exchange unless you saved them for months.
And I'm saying this despite having enough pure photons/ultimate boosters for a couple of exchanges.
@Milk said in Br/Ph might not be for you if you don't learn to play Br properly:
It’s about to get even harder, they have to learn.
I'm afraid that at this point it's unlikely that we will ever see a vote kick function with NGS coming in a few months, we can only hope that expert matching is released asap else nothing will change.
I don't expect everyone to be as pedantic as an hardcore player, but I can't stand afkers/leechers.
@VanillaLucia The problem is that the game was pretty casual up until Esca rematch, where a single person dying 5 times could screw up a run for everyone.
I can understand why people complained about Phaleg, since it was the first fight that required more than facetanking and I'm honestly surprised that Madness & Phantasms didn't rise more complaints than the optional content, given that it's a requirement for expert matching to S-Rank it.
I expect more complaints when UH is released, even more if expert matching comes to NA, seeing that Persona's UQ DPS check is often failed, with half of the people dying subsequently.
I've played several online games and this is the one with the least amount of toxicity and an helpful community that doesn't bash on new players/casuals, but some players are oversensitive over tips/suggestions/criticism and makes me wonder what they'd do in games like archeage where they'd be met with "carebear" labels and such.
"Elitism", at the moment, doesn't apply to this game and JP vets do not deserve to be called toxic elitists: in MS2, for example, KR vets used to hide informations for personal gain, here it never happened.
Anyway, we'll see soon enough what will happen.
@Milk said in Br/Ph might not be for you if you don't learn to play Br properly:
You’re probably right that people just don’t want to be reminded of mistakes, even though everyone makes them and there’s nothing to be ashamed of. Denial is the worst thing a player can react with, how can you improve if you never admit you need improving? People have a right to play how they wish to a certain extent but if it’s hindering the enjoyment of others then something needs to change. In my ffxiv example, I talked to them because I feared they would keep angering players and they seemed genuinely upset this happened. Maybe not every player will care about that but I hope many do.
Like you said, we all play this game together and teamwork is key. What people do solo is their own business but nobody likes pulling deadweight, nobody likes feeling taken advantage of.
In every game there are players that do not read guides and play their class randomly, the key is their will to learn and correct their mistakes or just throw tantrums.
When I was playing Tera, my guild used to organize (free) carry runs to help randoms understand mechanics of instances like WHHM/MCHM and such.
Among many players we helped, I recall a priest using aggro crystals, that I helped understand what crystal she had to use (I gave her 2 sets for free because she was willing to learn), and a guy who literally went afk to eat an ice cream without telling anyone, made us wipe because he was supposed to destroy a totem and did not care at all to learn or focus (he only wanted loot).
People like the latter ended up being kicked from every party they joined, here I feel that people are reliant on the fact that, trolls aside, kicking players is not common and at the moment, without expert matching, there are many of the so hated "elitists" carrying them.
Probably, if expert matching ever comes here, there will be an hard "wake up" and complaints will follow.
@n_n said in Br/Ph might not be for you if you don't learn to play Br properly:
I don't believe there is a misunderstanding--this is just western mentality in a nutshell. Any time a recommendation like this is made, a sizeable portion of people get overly defensive and scream "elitism." In their mind, they are always right and they don't think anyone should tell them how they should perform because they "play for fun" and actually don't care enough to pull their own weight when playing with others in harder content. A lot of people seem to forget that this is an online game and teamwork is key.
Of course one can bring up the fact that the tone of the OP, wording etc is not that great. But even if the guy wrote it as polite as possible, people are still gonna get mad.
I think you hit the nail on the head. I've witnessed absurd behaviours since Esca, with its death penatlies, was introduced, with people ragequitting over someone giving tips (dragging the whole party out) or literally going berserk screaming "elitims" and trying to shame for fashion, calling names or as far as telling them to commit suicide.
That's one of the reasons I never bothered to give suggestions during UQ and that kind of behaviour, together with a plethora of afkers, is becoming increasingly annoying to the point I really wish that expert matching comes with EP6 release.
OP was a bit rude, but I agree with you that people would still get mad even if he was as polite as possible.
@YagyuChan Wait until you do an endless run solo, forget about setting a password and after a lap you notice a little dot on the map hidden in a corner, check the number of players, you read "2/4" and you figure out that someone has been leeching the whole run 
@Meikoloid said in 14* Jinga drop rate is very concerning:
On another note, has anyone seen if Persona and the LQ drop any important candies? So far I've not seen anything other than the usual cookies.
From persona I got one exquisite transformation parfait, exquisiste satisfying parfait and (iirc) a frenzied parfait but I I'm not playing very much summoner at the moment, so I don't know about LQ.
I think this should close the question: https://www.facebook.com/liberate.salon/
If a mothertongue translates "リバレイト" to Liberate, then it's definitely liberate.
@Milk Without conversion roll (which is unsure if it will be included in EP6 exchange), melon is an average pet (for bossing) with high pp consumption and bad for mobbing.
If you're just starting with summoner, I suggest you to focus on maxing at least one 13* Jinga ( you can obtain it from collection folder) with Sunny/Very Sunny personality and Light element.
If I recall correctly, you get one 13* wanda with very sunny personality from story quest but I don't remember the element, so make sure you have at least one wanda with light element, then change the rarity from NPC with the 13* and use its personality, then evolve it into Jinga being careful to mess the personality in the process.
Another suggestion I can give you, is to have at least one of each pet so you can do Pietro's weeklies for free sweets.
If you have Photon Spheres in excess, you can buy 12* EXP eggs from the pet NPC to level them up faster.
When you have common eggs in excess, you can use them as fodder to increase stats of a pet faster (beware: you basically lose all the XP):
(you can optimize it further to work around the synthesis cooldown)
Don't forget to level up summoner class in all your alts until you get the 10th gift from Pietro, which is a Support Roll (that's the only way to get them, unless you want to pay absurd prices to people that exploit alts to obtain unlimited amount of them).
A fast way to do this process on alts is to run "Suppress Za'udan" from ARKS Quests with Pietro as companion (it takes 50 runs +/-) as soon as you obtain his partner card (you need to complete his "A Parent's Pride" CO).
@Miraglyth said in 14* Jinga drop rate is very concerning:
JP have also had event collection folders that expired. Global hasn't had any of those yet (unless they predated PC) but that's my biggest concern for now.
If it's temporary or a "one shot" only collection, it's basically useless because several copies of the same pet are required.
At that point it would be better to aim for the rarest one (probably 14* rappy).
Also if sweets are limited to the listed parfaits, that's kinda disappointing (and worrying, since some required rolls drop from ultimate naverius and, frankly, I don't want to go back there farming).
@TyboltTiger said in Let's have a vent topic for the Madness UQ!:
I've finally watched myself become MMO elitist scum, as I now look at the gear of everyone coming into this quest and watching how bad we end up failing since people are showing up with unaffixed/junk weapons and units.
I feel like, because we're being rushed through content, there needs be some additional methods to teach inexperienced players in the game on how to not ending up needing to be carried.
Either that or, please get us expert matching right now. Thank you please, GMs.
I'm afraid that gear alone won't help much when you get matched with only 2-3 people out of 8 that know what to do and the latters either set the towers' mode to "attack" or do not care about what spawn in the map aside monsters (enemy rams, towers for eg.) or both.
Unlike the other UQ and BQ, there is little margin to carry inexperienced players.
I never thought I'd say this, but they should release expert matching asap since the recently released UQs are either infested with afks hiding in safe spots (like thanksgiving) or may fail miserably due to inexperience/indifference/carelessness/map unawareness.
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