@_Flux_ said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

Just wanting to interject: If you can play FF6 or Chrono Trigger, then you can play PS4. It's on that level and I highly recommend it. Easily the best RPG on the Genesis, one of the top for the 16-bit era and has aged super well to boot. Plus it covers the lore of the other 3.

If you're not interested, then you're not interested; just thought I'd try to sell it a bit. It's an incredible game.

Are the PSs like the FF series in that each numerical entry doesn't require knowledge of the previous?

@Miraglyth said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

@KOSMOSFAN22497 said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

It just so happens that PSO does better than expected and is thus more well known to the general public.

"The general public" in the western world knew literally nothing about Final Fantasy II (actual, not IV), III or V before VII introduced the series to them, and in Europe (where the entire Phantasy Star classic series released) it seems VII was literally the first Final Fantasy even released so they didn't know of I, IV or VI either. Yet despite all of them being the definitive end to their own self-contained stories, all pre-VII games have since seen several remakes each and all have featured as equal parts of about six Dissidia games and probably over twenty mobile gacha games at this point.

What's the most well-known Zelda game? Probably Ocarina of Time. Yet preceding games in that series have been regularly celebrated and some like Link's Awakening have been remade too. Also see Mario 64 and pretty much all preceding Mario games including 2 which wasn't even a Mario game in Japan that have all been regularly referenced, re-released in compilations and WiiWare and showcased in two Mario Maker titles.

I doubt if there had been a good 3D Sonic game beyond Adventure 2 that people would have forgotten about 2, 3 and & Knuckles either. Mania would surely have still been one of the most popular Sonic games this side of the millennium.

Happy coincidence, earlier today I was randomly watching a Game Grumps video for the first time in months, and lo and behold a retro JRPG style minigame got called out for looking like Phantasy Star (7:23 if the link doesn't work). Phantasy Star I in particular here - the party stats are an almost dead ringer for its battle screen. And that was a video from 3 months ago, played by Youtubers who surely wouldn't describe themselves as Phantasy Star fans and who have never played a Phantasy Star game on their veteran channel.

TLDR: One game from the late 90s being an alleged catalyst for a series' fame does not automatically mean all prior games in a series that date back to the 80s should be consigned to history. If the Twitter responses to this AC set, the fact that several of us had been asking for it for months moreso than any other AC set, and the general player market prices of some parts of the set itself are any indication, the parts of Phantasy Star that predate Online still hold a surprising amount of love - and to Sega, untapped potential.

I agree with most of what you've said. Just to clear up any confusion that may exist... Final Fantasy 2 did not release in the U.S. until 2003 (meaning we had already received FF7-11). Final Fantasy 3 released in the U.S. in November 2006 (Final Fantasy 12 was the new shiny FF at the time). Final Fantasy 1 and 4 released in 1990 and 1991 respectively in the United States, but 7 gained so much notoriety because it innovated the RPG formula and made it "modernized" for the time. It was also hailed as one of the games that introduced jrpgs to 3d models.

The internet was just becoming a common utility when FF2 released in the U.S., so it's no mystery as to why people didn't know of the older FFs (or care).

As far as the old PS games. I've always been big on jrpgs and I didn't know about the old Phantasy Stars until well after PSO1. And even then, I don't really care about going back and playing them now because I'm not real big on vintage gaming.

@Church10129 said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

there is a memory exchange for Phantasy Star Ø in JP detailed here: https://pso2.arks-visiphone.com/wiki/Memory_Exchange_Shop#PSZERO_Memory_Exchange , though in a previous suggestion topic the HUnewm outfit was requested as well.

So if it was a memory, we'll probably get it as a direct-purchase similar to the current PSO1 memories.

@GM-Deynger said in Phantasy Star Classic AC Scratch is here!!:

Hi all! Glad you're happy with this AC Scratch collection. I'll let the team know about the Wren fashion/cosmetics. Are there any other character outfits you'd like to see?

I don't remember their names, but I would love to see the Phantasy Star Zero stuff.

@Yeah-Yeah-Beebiss Same

There is not a forum for Luster in the Classes category. Or at least I don't see one.

This is the best part of the entire update.

@ZorokiHanuke Well reviving IS a bit of an issue. Some people just don't bother reviving at all and that contributes to the problem.

If you see a dead person revive them. It doesn't matter if they are in your party or not.

That said this same problem exists in games like FFXIV. I'll see a DPS stand in stupid and then wonder why the healer couldn't keep them alive. It's not nearly as common as in this game though.

@n_n Yeah if people with meh gear don't want help there's not much you can do about them, but so far I've ran across about a dozen players who needed some help. I used my player home and threw in some stuff in the vending machine to help them get good end-game starter gear. Went a long way. Did I make anything out of it? No profit, aside from some friends. But aside from buying cosmetics and having enough to identify items, upgrade, and affix, there's no real need to hoard meseta with NGS not allowing the stuff to transfer.

The problem isn't necessarily the player's fault. Aside from the people who intentionally come in as dead weight with the mindset "they'll just carry me", the game is not entirely great at helping people gear up or even know what is expected of them. I'd wager the vast majority of people playing this game do not take part in discussions such as these, and judging by the behavior of some people complaining I don't really blame them. Some of you can be real dicks.

This game needs more than a minimum level for quest entry, but also a minimum gear level or stat.
I feel like the weapon badges need to drop a lot more often than they already do, and maybe even reward them to players as they achieve the class quest milestones so that by the time they reach level 70 or 75 they should be able to afford a Rising Weapon or two.
Armor kind of sucks trying to get (in the sense of it's just not exciting). I think the crappy NPC shops need to offer better gear that scales with your level (PSO1 used to do this to an extent).

The point is the problem is not entirely the player. The game itself doesn't really help. And the player market is a joke. You have people here complaining about Extreme/Ultimate players not having gear, while not really paying attention to the fact you can get to that point in the game in a matter of hours if you know what you are doing during the leveling process, meaning it is impossible to raise the amount of meseta you want people to spend in the amount of time it takes them to access the harder content.

Just think about it. You are a free player (as in you don't partake in AC Scratch), so your primary means of making money are your weeklies (the about 2mill per character), so that's 6 mill a week if you play 3 characters. You can't sell anything in the auction house if you are free, and even if you could by some of your logic they shouldn't be able to access the harder content to get the drops that would make them the money in the first place (or give them a weapon that is good), so they are stuck farming their weeklies every week. A weekly takes me about an hour to get out of the way per character, so that's like 3 hours of gameplay a week until you farm up the money to buy something good? That's going to take a few weeks, and this doesn't even factor in armor or affixing.

Then you have NGS coming fairly soon, with the knowledge that your character and cosmetics, not your level and gear, transfer. The incentive for most players is to get those hairstyles and weapons and makeup and such that will follow them to the new version of the game. So what meseta people do make is likely going towards that. They would rather find the good stuff via RNG and buy the cosmetics they want when they release (because those same cosmetics kind of are very expensive once the tickets go away) then spend all of their money on a Nemesis weapon that will probably not be too great soon (We are on a fast track to get to episode 6 and catch up in time for NGS, meaning until that all slows down it's kind of foolish to go hard on gear until everything levels out).

Maybe the community should help these people get geared instead of bitch about them.