@Archetype-Luna said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Brave So what does it say about the people in Japan that these so called immoral scenes are well accepted and not problematic in the slightest? Are they morally depraved for that?

The removed scene has nothing explicit and was just pure comedy. I have seen so much more worse scenes in american media.

As someone already said, it is beyond absurd and beyond insulting to the whole of Japan to claim they are "ok" with it all. I would say 99% of the Japanese people don't even know the game exists.

That Japanese players themselves spoke out about it so loudly that sega stopped that storyline suddenly, and never attempted it again, says what the Japanese that do play the game think about it.

As for the edit to your post about the lobbies, there are a lot of bad things going around. it is beyond absurd to thing bad or evil things in one place somehow absolves it in another place or vis versa. Also, there is a difference between a depraved playerbase and what is officially canon to the game itself. Another discussion for another thread.

what you consider "comedy" aside... I would like to requote two things I said before just for posterity (as a continuation of my post above) @Brave said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

they are wrong whether I refute them or not, but I have to stand up for what is right no matter what. Even if only to show normal people that sanity has not completely left this world yet.

@Brave said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

Gamers, especially "anime" gamers, are a microcosm of a microcosm and so we see abhorrent things being asserted and defended here as popular and "givens" that you wouldn't see anywhere else. Therefore what is "popular" here says nothing about what normal people think. Speaking as a normal person, I can assure you many of the ideas spat out in this thread with fury are not common any more than they are acceptable to sane people.

@Daishi said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Brave said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

becoming "used" to being a cad does not mean caddishness is acceptable. you finding something acceptable and someone else finds it totally unacceptable, does often mean that they are awake and you are asleep at the wheel.

None of that is a valid claim You need to specify what you are referring to; state your point. This isn't me "Peeing on your leg" as though I'm trying to set you up for some strawman argument. This is the normal structure of critical debate.

I'll help you formulate your claim. Is the "caddishness" in this context:

The acceptability of where we should or shouldn't derive our morality, as I have claimed?

Or

Is it regarding the morality of a possible relationship between Al and Hitsugi?

Or

Both?

Start there, and just to remind you; your supporting arguments have to have a factual basis. Not supposition and musings of philosophy, that may or may not be correct, may or may not be contextual, and may or may not have relevance.

@Anarchy-Marine I'll see how he responds to this. If he clearly doesn't want to debate by critical standards than whatever he says can easily be dismissed for lacking validity.

I already said I am done, but you sadly have yet to read even a single word of my posts. you do try to rationalize what you know for sure is wrong, which brings me back to my point that just because you are used to evil things does not make evil things acceptable let alone Right.

Not only are my points valid, I actually have points to make. In all your pseudointellectual posturing and rationalization for the sake of the indefensible, you have still yet to make a point.

your reference here seems to be to marxist "critical theory," seen through the lens of a fifteenth-rate high school debate club member. you hold this desperate, absurdly absolutist structure all while amusingly claiming you don't think absolutes exist. No posturing, or references to your "critical" religion will change that.

your first self-refutation of your entire worldview comes from your assertion that empiricism is the only valid thought. you claim philosophy is not only invalid, but refuting to even use it. you claiming "empiricism is the only valid thought" and you claiming that "philosophy is invalid" are not only both philosophical claims but dogmas as well.

therefore you are making philosophical claims that claim all philosophical claims are invalid, all while having a dogma that claims "there are no dogmas."

you think asking questions will somehow make answers go away, worse hoping (as 2 year olds do) that if you ask the same question multiple times that you will somehow get a different answer.

To quote Chesterton one last time before I mute the thread for Good (literally and metaphorically):

“The modern mind is more like a motor-car on a lonely road which two amateur motorists have been just clever enough to take to pieces, but are not quite clever enough to put together again. Under these circumstances kicking the car has never been found by the best experts to be effective. No one, therefore, does any good to our age merely by asking questions—unless he can answer the questions. Asking questions is already the fashionable and aristocratic sport which has brought most of us into the bankruptcy court. The note of our age is a note of interrogation. And the final point is so plain; no sceptical philosopher can ask any questions that may not equally be asked by a tired child on a hot afternoon. “Am I a boy?—Why am I a boy?—Why aren’t I a chair?—What is a chair?” A child will sometimes ask questions of this sort for two hours. And the philosophers of Protestant Europe have asked them for two hundred years.”

and a final one from Venerable Fulton Sheen in the same vein, just to drive the point home: "The modern man is no longer a unity, but a confused bundle of complexes and nerves. He is so dissociated, so alienated from himself that he sees himself less as a personality than as a battlefield where a civil war rages between a thousand and one conflicting loyalties. There is no single overall purpose in his life. His soul is comparable to a menagerie in which a number of beasts, each seeking its own prey, turn one upon the other. Or he may be likened to a radio, that is tuned in to several stations; instead of getting any one clearly, it receives only an annoying static.

If the frustrated soul is educated, it has a smattering of uncorrected bits of information with no unifying philosophy. Then the frustrated soul may say to itself: “I sometimes think there are two of me a living soul and a Ph. D.” Such a man projects his own mental confusion to the outside world and concludes that, since he knows no truth, nobody can know it. His own skepticism (which he universalizes into a philosophy of life) throws him back more and more upon those powers lurking in the dark, dank caverns of his unconsciousness. He changes his philosophy as he changes his clothes. On Monday, he lays down the tracks of materialism; on Tuesday, he reads a best seller, pulls up the old tracks, and lays the new tracks of an idealist; on Wednesday, his new roadway is Communistic; on Thursday, the new rails of Liberalism are laid; on Friday, he-hears a broadcast and decides to travel on Freudian tracks: on Saturday, he takes a long drink to forget his railroading and, on Sunday, ponders why people are so foolish as to go to Church. Each day he has a new idol, each week a new mood. His authority is public opinion: when that shifts, his frustrated soul shifts with it."

Goodbye.

@Anarchy-Marine said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Daishi I'd probably just block Brave, the dude is on a moral high ground above others, he exalted himself above everyone here, he speaks of God, but ignores Christ's teachings, most common among those who blindly believe that the Catholic church is of God, etc.

I know well enough to keep my faith out of the conversation, but those that have religion, which is separate from faith, typically don't, and try to force everyone to believe as they do.

If he keeps on pushing his beliefs down everyone's throat in such a manner, has likely going to get himself banned from these forums at any rate, and further arguments with him, might result in a ban on the people that openly argued with him as well. He's not mentally stable.

Since I was already outed, what you are doing here is called the mortal sin of despair. you are trying to damn others in your place by projection. Does nothing to me, does quite a lot to you though.

Everything I say is Perfectly on topic. the topic being an incomprehensible evil, attempts to normalize it, and my speaking out against it with your FULL-THROATED support of it. your persistent lashing out is because you not only know I am right, but that you know you are wrong. you think if you scapegoat me or seek to remove me, that your shame will go away, but (as I keep saying) shame is just the natural response to doing the unnatural.

you would be ashamed if I said nothing, or if you never heard of God. What causes you so much anguish is a failsafe in your very nature itself.

Here, from Venerable Fulton Sheen:

"I believe that the whole political and religious situation of the world can be summed up in terms of the divorce of Christ and His Cross. Put the Cross-less Christ on the right side, and the Christ-less Cross on the left. Who picks up the Crossless Christ? Our decadent Western civilization. This "Christ" is weak, effeminate, with no authority to drive buyers and sellers out of temples, and never speaks of self-discipline, restraint and mortification.

Who picks up the Christless Cross? Russia and China, where there is a dedication to a common ideology, the use of discipline and authority to keep peace and order. But neither can heal. The, Crossless Christ leaves men burdened with their guilt which festers in a thousand psychosis and neuroses. The Christless Cross cannot save for it ends in Dachau, the Gulag Archipelago and the squeezing of the lives of millions like grapes to make the collective wine of the State.

Which will first find Christ with the Cross? The totalitarian states who have the Cross without Love, or the Western world which has “love” so often erotic-without sacrifice? We do not know. But we do know that at the end of time, when the great battle between the forces of good and evil takes place, Satan will appear without the Cross, as the Great Philanthropist and Social Reformer to become the final temptation of all mankind."

I cannot talk about what is Real and Good and True without outing myself; I actually have an argument against evil, and in irrefutable detail, which is why I have made an enemy of you and why you lash out.

Just know you made an enemy of me before you ever spoke to me just by what you go to the bat to defend. Goes for each and every one of you using the "its not real" shtick, as the intent is clear and real.

Hillariously sad as ever, you think that just because The Church is the only one willing to assert, prove, and defend the existence of Love, Absolute Truth, and Natural Law, that you think you can become exempt from Love, Absolute Truth, and Natural Law by not being Catholic.

Nothing I have said here requires me to be Catholic, but it does require me to know Reality and have common sense. Most sad is how me merely showing that sanity and sense outs me for blood-fanged malcontents to scapegoat and attack.

@BiBiOokami said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

anyone else think this thread has been derailed into nothing more than a bickering contest?..... lol, but at least y'all keeping me entertained while the servers were down. Now that they're not I'm gonna go play the game for what it is... a game to provide entertainment. Y'all have fun trying to argue morals and religion and whatever other garbage ya want to shove down each others throats. Thanks for the entertainment in the meantime though

That you cannot understand Substance is on you alone.

The above post to the unfortunate one is just as much to you as it is to him. I will repeat myself though:

1. While you can deny moral principles, you cannot escape the consequences of that denial.
2. Right is right if no one is right, wrong is wrong even if everyone is wrong.
3. It is NOT censorship to remove what is truly bad and evil; that is just called decency and sanity. It would -however- be censorship to try to attack or silence me for simply pointing out the egg on your face and catching who is carrying a VERY evil bag.

And finally, also from GK Chesterton; and it applies to @Anarchy-Marine @Z0DIAK-BRAVE @Daishi @zaffy2005 et al:

"I know that it means very different things to different people; but that is only because evil always takes advantage of ambiguity. I know it is praised with high professions of idealism and benevolence; with silver-tongued rhetoric about purer motherhood and a happier posterity. But that is only because evil is always flattered, as the Furies were called "The Gracious Ones." I know that it numbers many disciples whose intentions are entirely innocent and humane; and who would be sincerely astonished at my describing it as I do. But that is only because evil always wins through the strength of its splendid dupes; and there has in all ages been a disastrous alliance between abnormal innocence and abnormal sin. Of these who are deceived I shall speak of course as we all do of such instruments; judging them by the good they think they are doing, and not by the evil which they really do."

I have spoken with a Period at the end here. There is nothing more for me to say. you can try to censor me, as @Anarchy-Marine so DESPERATELY wants in the hope it will silence his conscience, but what I said will still be true no matter what.

@Anarchy-Marine said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Brave You just keep furthering my point. You are a religious zealot, and have no real faith, just the words of dead men, that you don't even understand fully. You shove your moral self righteousness, and religion into other people's faces, and drive people ever further from God, because nobody likes pushy people. That's why God made faith a choice, you either believe, or you don't. And you clearly don't believe in anything, as you find it necessary to try to control others. Your support for censorship over a non issue shows me as much. It's no different than the German Nazis burning books they didn't agree with. I see religious Fascism is alive and well. Good Day/Night, depending on your region. I need not reply to you further, as there is no point talking with people like you. The conversation will go nowhere meaningful.

I read your post, in detail, you had no point. you do, as your post here shows, have insults for me and rationalizations for yourself.

Faith, the Highest Form Of Thought, that allows all other thought to exist, is Founding oneself in God. That's not a choice.

The men I quote are not only alive, but Eternally so. Far, far more than the morally paralyzed people making this thread such a nightmare.

I do get it. the irrational bloodthirst to defend the indefensible is because people have their lives and Eternities on the line, and this is (literally) for them a fight for their lives. At least they think it is, but really they have just chosen a path antithetical to life itself.

they are wrong whether I refute them or not, but I have to stand up for what is right no matter what. Even if only to show normal people that sanity has not completely left this world yet.

Also, ironic to your post, the nazis were big fans of child abuse and were open demoniacs.

@Daishi said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Brave said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Daishi said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (without major plot spoilers), but there is nothing in here that is problematic even by sensitive western sensibilities, which frankly need to be rethought and reevaluated with a more critical eye; and frankly needs less emotional appeals with infantile delusions of "right and wrong".

Now let's say I get to the end of this and they become romantically involved I still don't see an issue. Hitsugi is still in high school herself. Implying likely 16-17 (since her older brother is a year older, and has not graduated; considering he still has a dorm room). While the boy is most likely supposed to be 16 except short and with youthful features. My evidence for this is that Pati and Tia even state "avatar characters", whom he was clearly designed off of; are indistinguishable from regular ARKs ops. In leau of that information; no Arks op is younger than 16, and if he would be equally indistinguishable he would have to fall under that same category. However even if you were to take the biggest, and frankly unlikely extreme and say with his youthful features (something perfectly reasonable for Hitsugi given her personality to design for an avatar btw,) and claim that he is in fact 13: That is still at worst a 4 year age gap; something that is considered completely legal and acceptable in many parts of the world outside of Japan regarding consent.

The toughest pill for moral-xenophobic westerners to swallow is that this was made with Japanese sensibilities. Human agency and responsibility is treated different there, and people are forced to be responsible for themselves much earlier than we do in the west. However, even with all that I still have not seen anything beyond a familial relationship between these two so far, and the black haired girl just squealing about cuteness. This is not a reason to complain, get your priorities strait and maybe consider taking a critical thinking class.

The only "Disgusting" thing so far about Episdoe 4's story is how much of a light it shines on the Xenophobia of the west.

Right is right, even if no one is right. Wrong is wrong, even if everyone is wrong. you might think yourself free to deny moral principles, but you cannot escape the consequences of the denial of moral principles.

Or to put it most bluntly "We know you by your fruits." No sneering will change that, none; no matter how much Virtue makes your vices uncomfortable or how much you don't realize shame is just the natural response to doing the unnatural.

As GK Chesterton also said: "Do not be proud of the fact that your grandmother was shocked at something which you are accustomed to seeing or hearing without being shocked. There are two meanings of the word “nervous”; and it is not even a physical superiority to be actually without nerves. It may mean that your grandmother was an extremely lively and vital animal; and that you are a paralytic."

And for the complete takedown: "For what we do at least know, in the most fundamental fashion, is that man is man by the possession of these fastidious fancies; from which the free-thinking haddock is entirely emancipated; and by which the latitudinarian turnip is never troubled. To lose the sense of repugnance from one thing, or regard for another, is exactly so far as it goes to relapse into the vegetarian or to return to the dust. But for about fifty or sixty years, nearly all our culture and controversial trend has been conducted on the assumption that as long as we could get used to any sort of caddishness, we could be perfectly contented in being cads. I do not say that all the results of the process have been wrong. But I do say that the test of the process has been wrong from first to last; for it is not a case against the citizen that a man can grow accustomed to being either a savage or a slave."

I don't deny moral principles, I think they need to be evaluated objectively. As you said, a wrong is wrong even if everyone is wrong; and it is wrong for emotional appeals to be an over arching basis for which we derive morality, and I have yet to see a critically sound one against episode 4 here.

Philosophy about changing in sensibilities is irrelevant, and frankly critically invalid as it fails to make a proper claim regarding the specific subject matter at hand.

Actions speak louder than words. To rightly censor an old adage "don't pee on my leg and tell me it is raining."

Actually read these two quotes. As GK Chesterton, again, said:

"Do not be proud of the fact that your grandmother was shocked at something which you are accustomed to seeing or hearing without being shocked. There are two meanings of the word “nervous”; and it is not even a physical superiority to be actually without nerves. It may mean that your grandmother was an extremely lively and vital animal; and that you are a paralytic."

And

"For what we do at least know, in the most fundamental fashion, is that man is man by the possession of these fastidious fancies; from which the free-thinking haddock is entirely emancipated; and by which the latitudinarian turnip is never troubled. To lose the sense of repugnance from one thing, or regard for another, is exactly so far as it goes to relapse into the vegetarian or to return to the dust. But for about fifty or sixty years, nearly all our culture and controversial trend has been conducted on the assumption that as long as we could get used to any sort of caddishness, we could be perfectly contented in being cads. I do not say that all the results of the process have been wrong. But I do say that the test of the process has been wrong from first to last; for it is not a case against the citizen that a man can grow accustomed to being either a savage or a slave."

becoming "used" to being a cad does not mean caddishness is acceptable. you finding something acceptable and someone else finds it totally unacceptable, does often mean that they are awake and you are asleep at the wheel.

Chesterton makes the joke that some more "broadminded" people have vegtable as their apotheosis. as vegetables cannot be disgusted with perversion or speak out against it; the joke is, vegtables can't think at all.

@Sephlock said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

Brave, that response needs so many citations so badly...

What would you insist I "cite?" This is a conversation using the intellect, mostly a philosophical one. Reason and Faith are therefore the necessary forms of thought applied here, as Logic deals with the senses.

Are you under the impression that common sense needs "citations," that we would not know the grass is green and sky is blue without "confirmed ideas?" I don't doubt that some may need that "help," but the vast majority of mankind does not. Gamers, especially "anime" gamers, are a microcosm of a microcosm and so we see abhorrent things being asserted and defended here as popular and "givens" that you wouldn't see anywhere else.

Therefore what is "popular" here says nothing about what normal people think. Speaking as a normal person, I can assure you many of the ideas spat out in this thread with fury are not common any more than they are acceptable to sane people.

@Anarchy-Marine said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Brave The fact that you have to use the words of others, to argue your points, shows that you lack the capacity to form the words necessary to argue it on your own. You believe that your knowledgeable about something, because you read the words of another about moral rights and wrongs, but are yourself a pretender. Even if you take the words of someone that had genius philosophical knowledge over religions, or moral beliefs as a theologian, that doesn't in turn make you equally as knowledgeable. You are no better than the evangelicals that condem their fellow man, following a bible they do not fully understand, or the Catholics that claim moral superiority, but have allowed their own to touch children. You are no better than the Pharisees that wanted Christ out of the picture, due to the miracles that he performed. You've shown your hand. You believe you are morally superior, and yes, are delusional, as you carry with you delusions of grandeur, a higher standing over others. I judge others by both their actions, and by their words, and the fact that you can't see the forest for the trees, doesn't surprise me. You want something to be there, you want an issue to exist, so that you can be right, because you, and others like you, can't admit when your wrong.

There is nothing wrong with the story in Episode 4, nothing short of a character in a video game, that was written to be a bit off, as to foreshadow the fact that the person is a nut case. I knew who the antagonist characters were, long before the story ever got to that point. Get off of your moral high horse, and come back down to earth, and stop exalting yourself above others.

I quote my teachers, because they have had to deal with your kind far longer than I have. evil isn't new, it just changes its face or name. The things they dealt with are indistinguishable to what we deal with today.

Quoting shows I am not only founded in rock-solid thinking, but that my thinking is so rock-solid I can notice old hat when it rears its (very) ugly head.

you, being totally unfounded, not being able to see anything two inches past your nose, therefore consider it "unfair" when I bring backup and Truth ancient. I could quote from The Diadache or St Peter Damien's "The Book of gommorrah," but that would be a bit too heady for this conversation, so I quote my heroes who are more recent.

Ironic to your assertion, The Church is actually the cleanest out of all groups when it comes to child abuse. Nor does The Church even allow it as you are automatically excommunicated "By The Weight Of Law" a few steps on the path to child abuse. Media narratives aren't fact, and are usually only there to obfuscate instead of inform.

As the kids say: "do better."

@ErinXh said in Can someone tell me what the song is for "Tokyo Silver" bonus mission?:

@Brave said in Can someone tell me what the song is for "Tokyo Silver" bonus mission?:

@Jay6x said in Can someone tell me what the song is for "Tokyo Silver" bonus mission?:

The night variant of Tokyo's music is called "Realization". Ep4 does have some dope tracks.

The Ridroid mission for Las Vegas uses a song called "Neon Days" or "Neon Nights" depending on whether you're there in daytime or nighttime.

Do you have any idea if there are any other songs by the singer?

says "haruna," but the only one I saw with that name doesn't sound the same as the one in the pso2 songs.

Which song in particular? Realization is done by Florence McNair. Neon Days and Neon Nights is done by Runblebee.

Florence McNair and Aimee Blackschleger are the more prominent vocals for songs in the later Episodes of PSO2. (Mainly OP's and ED's.)

Florence McNair mainly doing stuff for Episode 4. Aside from performing Realization, she also performs the opening for Episode 4 'Borderless'.

Aimee Blackschleger peforms both openings for the Oracle Anime 'Destiny' & 'UniVerse' and the opening for Episode 6 'As One'.

It's quite sad that they only done 1 song together. (Had to be Episode 6 final credits song.)

Not to forget the legendary Takenobu Mitsuyoshi.

(Fun fact: Zero-G is done by Haruna in-game, but Florence performed the song on Live.)

Who is "haruna?" do you have any other songs by her?

@Z0DIAK-BRAVE said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Brave said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Z0DIAK-BRAVE said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Brave said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

pedophilia is real, that's why, cartoon villains are not. how did you miss that in your desperation?

Do you know what's not real?

The game and every thing in it.

the game is a depiction made be real people who live in the real world, kind of like a drawing or a story or a movie.

cool, none of that is real so I don't care

like @zaffy2005 is unaware media isn't food or life-giving, you don't seem to be aware that media (all of it) is made by humans with intent and agendas. you cannot live off of pso2 any more than your implication that you think pso2 popped out of nothingness.

I can't tell you what was going through the mind of the staff at sega when making scenes like that, though it seems there is a full-court-press worldwide to "normalize" that.

I can however tell you what is going through your mind while defending it, and I think any sane person can.

Pretty sure a sane person that knows anything about anime would see this, realize they've seen it a hundred times before, and move on with their life.

Sarcastically pointing out I clearly don't agree with your sentiment doesn't mean I'm automatically defending the other side. I just don't waste time and QQ over things that aren't real. I don't care who it's made by, nor do I care intent. A person can intend something all they want, it falls solely on who consumes it as to how it's received.

The real world, where the game is made and where you reside (even if you don't like that being pointed out) IS real.

I have met countless sane people (and even more insane people), but no sane person would miss the malicious intent here passed off as "anti-censorship."

From what I heard years ago, quite a lot of child pornography uses 3d models. they take a photo, then put a 3d model over it to conjure up that "lol it's not real" defense. Just want to let you know the lineage of your excuses.

Sega did the right thing in removing the scenes, the people frothing at the mouth to defend them being made at all, however...

@Anarchy-Marine said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Brave said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Z0DIAK-BRAVE said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Brave said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

pedophilia is real, that's why, cartoon villains are not. how did you miss that in your desperation?

Do you know what's not real?

The game and every thing in it.

the game is a depiction made be real people who live in the real world, kind of like a drawing or a story or a movie. like @zaffy2005 is unaware media isn't food or life-giving, you don't seem to be aware that media (all of it) is made by humans with intent and agendas. you cannot live off of pso2 any more than your implication that you think pso2 popped out of nothingness.

I can't tell you what was going through the mind of the staff at sega when making scenes like that, though it seems there is a full-court-press worldwide to "normalize" that.

I can however tell you what is going through your mind while defending it, and I think any sane person can.

Do you actually think before you reply. What agenda is there, to normalize what you are claiming to be pedophilia? Do you not see how crazy you look. Hey, it's all an agenda, and paranoid delusions aren't real. It's literally one character, that's (SPOILER ALERT) later revealed to be mentally unstable, and is so screwd up mentally, that she thinks killing someone, is how you save them from being "manipulated, and mind controlled." The crazy bit*h is literally projecting her mental condition of being manipulated, onto her former friend, and then almost kills her. At no point is anything normalised. As I stated before, it's showing, not telling a story. That's how you write good depth into a character.

I am almost entirely sure I put more thought into choosing one word than you did (at least) your whole post here; that you cannot see the salience of my point is the point I was making. What is a monumental push to "normalize" the unthinkable has been a death march against humanity going on for over 100 years, with this as the final endgame.

Not ironically, "paranoia" and "delusion" were both smears soviets used to use against those who called them out. The intent was to mark any who "asked the wrong questions" or "noticed things they shouldn't have" for execution. I don't see you having the ability to achieve anything relating to any of your ambitions stated clearly by your actions (which you attempt to hide by rhetoric), but the intent is there.

That is the point I have been making the whole time: the intent is there (and clear).

As GK Chesterton said: "Of these who are deceived I shall speak of course as we all do of such instruments; judging them by the good they think they are doing, and not by the evil which they really do."

@Daishi said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (without major plot spoilers), but there is nothing in here that is problematic even by sensitive western sensibilities, which frankly need to be rethought and reevaluated with a more critical eye; and frankly needs less emotional appeals with infantile delusions of "right and wrong".

Now let's say I get to the end of this and they become romantically involved I still don't see an issue. Hitsugi is still in high school herself. Implying likely 16-17 (since her older brother is a year older, and has not graduated; considering he still has a dorm room). While the boy is most likely supposed to be 16 except short and with youthful features. My evidence for this is that Pati and Tia even state "avatar characters", whom he was clearly designed off of; are indistinguishable from regular ARKs ops. In leau of that information; no Arks op is younger than 16, and if he would be equally indistinguishable he would have to fall under that same category. However even if you were to take the biggest, and frankly unlikely extreme and say with his youthful features (something perfectly reasonable for Hitsugi given her personality to design for an avatar btw,) and claim that he is in fact 13: That is still at worst a 4 year age gap; something that is considered completely legal and acceptable in many parts of the world outside of Japan regarding consent.

The toughest pill for moral-xenophobic westerners to swallow is that this was made with Japanese sensibilities. Human agency and responsibility is treated different there, and people are forced to be responsible for themselves much earlier than we do in the west. However, even with all that I still have not seen anything beyond a familial relationship between these two so far, and the black haired girl just squealing about cuteness. This is not a reason to complain, get your priorities strait and maybe consider taking a critical thinking class.

The only "Disgusting" thing so far about Episdoe 4's story is how much of a light it shines on the Xenophobia of the west.

Right is right, even if no one is right. Wrong is wrong, even if everyone is wrong. you might think yourself free to deny moral principles, but you cannot escape the consequences of the denial of moral principles.

Or to put it most bluntly "We know you by your fruits." No sneering will change that, none; no matter how much Virtue makes your vices uncomfortable or how much you don't realize shame is just the natural response to doing the unnatural.

As GK Chesterton also said: "Do not be proud of the fact that your grandmother was shocked at something which you are accustomed to seeing or hearing without being shocked. There are two meanings of the word “nervous”; and it is not even a physical superiority to be actually without nerves. It may mean that your grandmother was an extremely lively and vital animal; and that you are a paralytic."

And for the complete takedown: "For what we do at least know, in the most fundamental fashion, is that man is man by the possession of these fastidious fancies; from which the free-thinking haddock is entirely emancipated; and by which the latitudinarian turnip is never troubled. To lose the sense of repugnance from one thing, or regard for another, is exactly so far as it goes to relapse into the vegetarian or to return to the dust. But for about fifty or sixty years, nearly all our culture and controversial trend has been conducted on the assumption that as long as we could get used to any sort of caddishness, we could be perfectly contented in being cads. I do not say that all the results of the process have been wrong. But I do say that the test of the process has been wrong from first to last; for it is not a case against the citizen that a man can grow accustomed to being either a savage or a slave."

@Jay6x said in Can someone tell me what the song is for "Tokyo Silver" bonus mission?:

The night variant of Tokyo's music is called "Realization". Ep4 does have some dope tracks.

The Ridroid mission for Las Vegas uses a song called "Neon Days" or "Neon Nights" depending on whether you're there in daytime or nighttime.

Do you have any idea if there are any other songs by the singer?

says "haruna," but the only one I saw with that name doesn't sound the same as the one in the pso2 songs.

@Leonkh99 said in Can someone tell me what the song is for "Tokyo Silver" bonus mission?:

The name of the song is Zero-G.

It was composed specifically for Phantasy Star Online 2 and is included in the Volume 5 soundtrack album which isn't available online officially.

THANK YOU!

even shazam didn't know

@Z0DIAK-BRAVE said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

@Brave said in Episode 4 story is disgusting:

pedophilia is real, that's why, cartoon villains are not. how did you miss that in your desperation?

Do you know what's not real?

The game and every thing in it.

the game is a depiction made be real people who live in the real world, kind of like a drawing or a story or a movie. like @zaffy2005 is unaware media isn't food or life-giving, you don't seem to be aware that media (all of it) is made by humans with intent and agendas. you cannot live off of pso2 any more than your implication that you think pso2 popped out of nothingness.

I can't tell you what was going through the mind of the staff at sega when making scenes like that, though it seems there is a full-court-press worldwide to "normalize" that.

I can however tell you what is going through your mind while defending it, and I think any sane person can.