+1 from me for the removal of height restrictions which are not present in the original JP release of the game.
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@BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY Actually, cancel culture would be the easiest one to handle and reverse. An example of censorship for this reason being reversed would be Tera uncensoring Elins.
We just need to continue being vocal, the more people who do so, the more likely it'll happen.
absolutely! it certainly isn't unheard of for companies, publishers, and/or developers to give the community/players what they want.
in the end, I see no practical reason for the level of censorship that has been enacted upon this game. I sincerely hope someone reconsiders these decisions.
if "cancel culture" really is the culprit here, then it is unlikely the developers will cave anytime soon... or ever at all.
however... if people send mail to Corporate HQ, they could be of some help to convincing them to not be concerned with "cancel culture" stuff. but how likely would that be? even a big-time company like Square Enix caves to "cancel culture".
i would say the biggest difference here in Square Enix position and SEGA position... nobody in the general public is putting any pressure on SEGA to keep this scene removed. but at the same time, the scene wasn't revealed to the public before being released.
how do we know how the public would have reacted?
@BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY I really just think they were afraid of western cancel culture.
it very well could be... i honestly didn't know what that was until searching just now. a PERFECT example of this would be the Square Enix release of Final Fantasy XV. Square Enix also being a Japanese company. they received some very heavy gruff from the public about sexualizing this and that... in the end, they made changes that they had hoped would be more acceptable.
i hope that this isn't the case, but also wouldn't blame SEGA if this is indeed their concern on the matter. i can say quite a few negative things about the various people who would influence artists/developers with this "cancel culture" stuff. but at the same time... if "cancel culture" is being applied by people towards a company releasing a game with content that would be considered out-of-the-norm/out of character for that company.... that i can understand too.
from my experience, SEGA usually provides wholesome family-friendly content from their games. PSO2 just might be crossing that border by a smidgen, to say the least. it certainly wouldn't be unreasonable for them to dread any potential back-lash from such a scene. i mean... Square Enix dreaded that "cancel culture" back-lash, and they are a much bigger company.
if we really want to talk about the cut-scene, there is an open topic about it here > https://forum.pso2.com/topic/6869/can-we-not-cut-out-anymore-story-scenes-and-stop-it-with-censorship-in-general/15
trying to get back on-topic...
as far as the height slider goes? it is very possible SEGA simply feels uncomfortable with it due to cultural differences.
there's absolutely NO repercussions to removing the restriction to minimum height. that is, at least, with any ratings board or law(s).
worse-case scenario? a group of pedophiles in the game make loli characters to role-play them as children. guess what? so long as SEGA says every player character is to be depicted as being the legal age for this, say, 18+... ( maybe even 21+ depending on what the future may hold for certain laws in certain countries ) then nobody can do anything to SEGA, or claim they condone this type of action/behavior. FURTHERMORE, players can ALREADY do this with current character creation options. so a MOOT point entirely, to say the least.
the minimum height restriction doesn't appear to have anything to with any rating system(s), and certainly doesn't appear to have anything to do with any law(s).
personally? i play a tall character, and am unlikely to ever create any alts, or alter my character height. but i would argue that it is the principle of the matter that is most important. i don't care about the reasoning behind it, or why the developers chose to do this, and don't intend to make this personal.
if players can keep threads ON-TOPIC, then maybe there stands a chance to get the minimum height restriction lifted. there's no practical reason as of to why it needs to be there, and we can assume the developers know this.
if the forums and normal support channels aren't enough to get the point across, or there aren't enough people to support having the restriction removed... another possibility is to contact SEGA Corporate HQ on the matter.
the developers may be Japanese, but Corporate HQ is located in the U.S.. if enough people petition to Corporate, it is very much possible that they can pull rank over the developers and have them lift the restriction.
either way, +1 from me to remove the minimum height restriction.
A.) SEGA just doesn't want it there. if this is the case, then this is a Japanese decision, but guess what? SEGA Cooperate HQ is in the U.S.. i am willing to bet if enough people contacted them, they would be able to pull rank on the dev team to get the scene reinstated. maybe it is just a difference in culture, and the developers don't feel comfortable with releasing the scene.
B.) they managed to slip the scene past ESRB and/or IARC. for digital games, the review/rating process is done by an automated method through IARC. we could be opening a huge can of worms here, and ousting the developers. not likely! more likely, the scene was seen by IARC and the game is appropriately rated.
C.) there is a conspiracy going on... somewhat recently in the U.S., they passed the law to increase the legal age for purchasing tobacco from 18+ to 21+. this is federal law, but on the other hand... the legal age for sex is pretty vague, even by federal law. for the most part, it is up to the states to set this. with Afin being only 19 in that scene... maybe SEGA has the one-up on some knowledge the general public doesn't?
arguing counter-intuitive points and not adding anything to the discussion.
sorry for getting the topic de-railed. i intended to leave the thread with saying my final piece that i am for the removal of the minimum height restriction. this guy comes back with off-topic banter, and hope we can just get the topic back on track.
if at all possible, please don't get this one locked. thank you!
either way, the thread is specifically for the restriction on minimum height to be removed. and, in the end, that restriction being removed doesn't violate any law. any at all what-so-ever. regardless of what players do, that is not SEGA themselves portraying anything. quite literally all SEGA would have to do is say all player characters are of 18+ in age, if even that.
in the end, not a matter of law.
+1 for that removal. thank you~!
@Yin I remember someone posting pictures from both versions and the sliders capped the same for max but not min and the explanation was that a limb slider is glitched out which causes issues for max, making it appear like it's capped.
oh yeah! i do believe you might be correct. this was one issue i had in character creation where the height would get reset. which is why i simply accepted the scaled proportions as it were when maxing out the height slider, and didn't do anything in-depth.
normally, i can spend several hours in character create... maybe even delete my character multiple times to get the smallest detail i want correctly.
personally? i hadn't known my character could get any more freakishly tall, and already feel like a giant in most cut-scenes! LOL!
but know what? i would totally make her taller if could be. that is just the type of character Zluexy is.
i would also make a shortest possible character as an alt... maybe add some bunny ears, or something.
unless modeling after some anime character, or something... i have never been one to go with middle-height characters.
Where do you draw the line, you also want the previous AC scratches you missed due to windows 10 errors? I had those errors too and like many just gave up and just accept the fact I won't get the items from those mission pass tiers, as it should be, timed exclusives.
no doubt. i get where you are coming from. hence why i deleted my previous post. kind of hard to touch on just the one thing like this when we could argue something similar for pretty much everything else in the game. LOL
with that being said... i am still NOT opposed to having ways we can once again get stuff from Mission Pass, or even Scratch Tickets and not just the AC ones. but i also understand the reason(s) why we don't. plus, it isn't as if SEGA as any real incentive to do this for players.
plenty of other games implement similar systems, and have a successful player-base. besides, this is probably the first game i have played with a system like Mission Pass where you can the gold/premium rewards without paying actual cash.
with all that being said... the biggest point of this particular subject is that the items obtained from Mission Pass are unable to be traded. i 100% feel that that is something that needs to be addressed in some manner or another.
at the moment? easiest is probably to just implement an item that allows you to unlock the items for being traded. i don't think it is so unreasonable to ask for.
worse-case-scenario? i would totally like to see them implement a re-run of any season(s) missed by players who were left out waiting for a PC release, or were too greatly hindered by MSStore issues.
first and foremost, let me reaffirm my stance on this... i am 100% against the 'censoring', and totally want any restrictions that aren't present in the original game to be lifted/removed. and also want all of the scenes unblocked/re-implemented.
what that being said, i also understand where people are coming from on the characters thing. but adding more depth to the characters themselves, things like back-story, or how they connect to other characters in relationships, does not necessarily equate to something that is important to a story's plot. this is something that is typically done just for the viewers sake, more-or-less. viewers want story characters to feel more life-like, or to create a stronger connection to those characters. at one time, this is stuff that was overlooked by creators. but they realized just how short lived a series can be due to a lack of character profile. viewers quickly lose interest unless there is more substance to the characters. sometimes a good personality just isn't enough to make those certain moments cringe-worthy, or to add actual depth to world around those characters. again, i totally get where people are coming from on this.
i am not trying to shoot anyone down here, and am just providing a different point-of-view on this. it is a valid point... one that isn't necessarily incorrect, but also isn't necessarily right either... if that makes sense to anyone. lol :-x
@BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY I do have to disagree with the idea that a cutscene does not constitute as content. Story is content, and the cutscene is part of the story. When they made the All the Content promise, they stated:
Well, we intend to keep this promise while also making sure series veterans and newcomers alike get to experience the story unfolding with each new episode release as it was originally intended.
They stated this in their 2020 road map; so story is part of the content with how they described it in their statement.
i can get that, but... wouldn't this particular scene be considered more like a filler scene? it doesn't seem to be pivotable to the story in any way at all. i suppose this could be easily spun towards either direction.
i think this is very complicated, because... in the anime/tv show/movie world, scenes are considered content. but is a bit different for games. this has been argued in other games and other forums in the past.
a subject that is very controversial, to say the least.
P.S. i am going to sleep now.
good luck~! ^_^
EDIT : i suppose the keywords there would be "as it was originally intended". you got me there... lmao facepalm but again... if it would be considered filler, then it wouldn't be "Story" content. back to being able to spin it in any direction.
i suppose the REAL question would be... is that particular scene a Main Quest or Sub-Quest? that would be the make-it-or-break-it answer there. one could argue that a Sub-Quest wouldn't constitute as being part of the "Story".
P.P.S. i am totally going to sleep now. no lie.
SEGA is Pro-Censorship. They will continue to BE Pro-Censorship for our version because in our LAWS.
And because of these LAWS. What YOU all want, Prime Example HERE. From the JP Client uploaded by a JP Player.
Goes COMPLETELY against it. For anyone who Mods it in, and gets found out about it, taking vids or screenshots of it, will not only lead to a PERMANENT BAN on your account, but also will lead to
Now as to the business side of things on why SEGA will keep their Pro-Censorship stance, and thus why they will keep the height restrictions because if that ever goes, breast size restrictions will be next to be asked for by the minority. Yes, you are all who wants the censorship removed, the minority, is very simple.
"But but but, the game has a Mature Rating!" Yes Bob, the game does indeed have a Mature rating. Violence, death, bikinis! Oh my! But do you all know what kind of players Free to play games draw in the most?
Yes, children, the kind that some of you wants to create thus why the censorship is needed. Now before I continue that line of thought, I need to clear something else in the room since some of you are very, very mistaken.
Our PSO2, is not Global. I repeat, OUR PSO2 IS NOT GLOBAL. It was made for North America, thus why their is a Region Lock in place, thus forcing anyone who wants to play on it to make or change their Accounts to North America. That is also why in some countries who are super enforcing anti-lootbox laws that the game is BANNED from those countries. So in the end, the complaints, justifications, and ill logic from those OUTSIDE OF NORTH AMERICA, or are not at least, an American citizen, are null, void, and holds absolutely, zero merit. Because its not your laws, morales and culture being taken into account for the SMALL amount of censorship heh see what I did there? that we have, its ours, North America. Deal with it. It is not YOUR PSO2, you are pretty much GUESTS in OUR house. So please refrain from any references to your own countries about censorship. You will remain guests until the NA Version officially becomes a Global version and you no longer have to change your regional settings. Likely will happen when NGS/Episode7/lolPSO3 is released.
Now back to the previous topic. Ah yes the censorship and our culture. You see, spite the game being Rated M, most North America living parents, do not care if little Jimmy and Jil plays a violent game that depicts gore, violence and what not. Thats the sad truth of it. Heck most parents dont care if they see a full grown woman in a swimsuit bikini doing a dance. What they DO care about, is if they see what appears, TO THEM, is a girl Jimmys age, lets say 13, doing a Chair or Pole dance like in the EXACT example I showed above, sexualizing it, and now giving Jimmy some strange ideas about girls his age....thats when the game gets banned from Jimmy and Jills Xbox, and they put them back on Fortnite. Thus, their goes that sweet sweet Mommy and Daddy money used in Arks Cash Jimmy and Jill would use for Outfits.
You can cry out all you want "But theirs women in their 40s that look like that!" and some other b.s. To any responsible North American parents....heh and I use the word "Responsible" loosely....sad as that is, those characters will always appear to be young underaged children in their eyes. No ifs ands or buts about it.
SEGAs round table of Business Suit monkies knows this. Same for Microsoft. Its Business 101. The number of Jimmy and Jills FAR outweight the minority of you who are bothered they cant make their character just 5 inches shorter. Thus, the Censorship was put in.
That boys and girls is why the Censorship, is here to stay.
Deal with it.
i can't say you are 100% wrong, due to not reading your entire post. but... that is just how certain i am that you started out being wrong. at the very least, relatively speaking.
prime example would be games like Scarlet Blade or Blade & Soul. for crying out loud... in Scarlet Blade you can make the loli characters topless and see their tits.
Granted, Aeria Games censored loli characters, but it was unnecessary to do so. there was NO legal requirement to do so. (maybe there was in one of the countries they hosted to, but not in the U.S.A.) the private server currently hosting Scarlet Blade has removed the censor on loli characters. the game is accessible in the U.S.A., without restriction.
and lemme tell you something else about Scarlet Blade... it was hosted in the NA region by Aeria Games. Aeria Games is very notorious for trying to keep things family friendly. probably why they neglected it so much. just a quick cash grab. they had already known they would shut it down. i am certain pretty much like 99% of the players had also known this.
some games over at Aeria have some somewhat questionable content. and they do host the somewhat questionable Shaiya.
regardless... i haven't seen a single thing from this game that is required, by law, to be edited out/censored. that is, at least in the NA region. that is, at the very least, in the U.S.A.. as for other regions and countries go? i couldn't say and wouldn't know.
it is always possible there are some places where this stuff is illegal. but, again, i wouldn't know. and maybe SEGA wouldn't entirely know either. law is very complicated stuff.
need further proof? well, i don't fell like it but can tell you this much... i like adult and hentai games. plenty of them release to the NA region with plenty of questionable content.
the ONLY thing required here is is that there be a statement that all characters depicted are of the legal age of 18+. and even then, they don't have to be that vague. and can just say that all characters depicted in any sexually explicit/suggestive content are of the legal age of 18+.
18+ is a good stand point, because of the huge discrepancy from one state to the next and one country to the next. i don't know any place in the entire world that won't allow sex at 18+. ( there probably is, maybe due to tyranny or some religion or tribal law... or something. )
FURTHERMORE! if you read enough through this very topic/thread, you will find plenty of proof of where you are wrong. at least, as far as the first few lines of your post goes. again, i didn't read your entire post.
you don't seem to really understand what you are talking about. at least, as far as the first few lines of your post goes. again, i didn't read your entire post.
P.S. as far as people saying false advertisement goes... a cinematic/cut-scene does NOT constitute as content. this is very tricky, so try to keep up... if it is not playable, or the player has no ability to make decisions, then it is not content. restricting the height slider also does NOT constitute as removing content.
P.P.S. SEGA themselves has not done any sexualization. that is all on the players and their decision to do so.
P.P.P.S. i 100% want any and all forms of censorship removed. so, don't get the wrong idea here peeps.
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