+1 from me for the removal of height restrictions which are not present in the original JP release of the game.

@Archetype-Luna said in Can we not cut out anymore story scenes and stop it with censorship in general.:

@BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY Actually, cancel culture would be the easiest one to handle and reverse. An example of censorship for this reason being reversed would be Tera uncensoring Elins.

We just need to continue being vocal, the more people who do so, the more likely it'll happen.

absolutely! it certainly isn't unheard of for companies, publishers, and/or developers to give the community/players what they want.

in the end, I see no practical reason for the level of censorship that has been enacted upon this game. I sincerely hope someone reconsiders these decisions.

if "cancel culture" really is the culprit here, then it is unlikely the developers will cave anytime soon... or ever at all.

however... if people send mail to Corporate HQ, they could be of some help to convincing them to not be concerned with "cancel culture" stuff. but how likely would that be? even a big-time company like Square Enix caves to "cancel culture".

i would say the biggest difference here in Square Enix position and SEGA position... nobody in the general public is putting any pressure on SEGA to keep this scene removed. but at the same time, the scene wasn't revealed to the public before being released.

how do we know how the public would have reacted?

@Archetype-Luna said in Can we not cut out anymore story scenes and stop it with censorship in general.:

@BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY I really just think they were afraid of western cancel culture.

it very well could be... i honestly didn't know what that was until searching just now. a PERFECT example of this would be the Square Enix release of Final Fantasy XV. Square Enix also being a Japanese company. they received some very heavy gruff from the public about sexualizing this and that... in the end, they made changes that they had hoped would be more acceptable.

i hope that this isn't the case, but also wouldn't blame SEGA if this is indeed their concern on the matter. i can say quite a few negative things about the various people who would influence artists/developers with this "cancel culture" stuff. but at the same time... if "cancel culture" is being applied by people towards a company releasing a game with content that would be considered out-of-the-norm/out of character for that company.... that i can understand too.

from my experience, SEGA usually provides wholesome family-friendly content from their games. PSO2 just might be crossing that border by a smidgen, to say the least. it certainly wouldn't be unreasonable for them to dread any potential back-lash from such a scene. i mean... Square Enix dreaded that "cancel culture" back-lash, and they are a much bigger company.

if we really want to talk about the cut-scene, there is an open topic about it here > https://forum.pso2.com/topic/6869/can-we-not-cut-out-anymore-story-scenes-and-stop-it-with-censorship-in-general/15

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trying to get back on-topic...

as far as the height slider goes? it is very possible SEGA simply feels uncomfortable with it due to cultural differences.

there's absolutely NO repercussions to removing the restriction to minimum height. that is, at least, with any ratings board or law(s).

worse-case scenario? a group of pedophiles in the game make loli characters to role-play them as children. guess what? so long as SEGA says every player character is to be depicted as being the legal age for this, say, 18+... ( maybe even 21+ depending on what the future may hold for certain laws in certain countries ) then nobody can do anything to SEGA, or claim they condone this type of action/behavior. FURTHERMORE, players can ALREADY do this with current character creation options. so a MOOT point entirely, to say the least.

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the minimum height restriction doesn't appear to have anything to with any rating system(s), and certainly doesn't appear to have anything to do with any law(s).

personally? i play a tall character, and am unlikely to ever create any alts, or alter my character height. but i would argue that it is the principle of the matter that is most important. i don't care about the reasoning behind it, or why the developers chose to do this, and don't intend to make this personal.

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if players can keep threads ON-TOPIC, then maybe there stands a chance to get the minimum height restriction lifted. there's no practical reason as of to why it needs to be there, and we can assume the developers know this.

if the forums and normal support channels aren't enough to get the point across, or there aren't enough people to support having the restriction removed... another possibility is to contact SEGA Corporate HQ on the matter.

the developers may be Japanese, but Corporate HQ is located in the U.S.. if enough people petition to Corporate, it is very much possible that they can pull rank over the developers and have them lift the restriction.

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either way, +1 from me to remove the minimum height restriction.

either...

A.) SEGA just doesn't want it there. if this is the case, then this is a Japanese decision, but guess what? SEGA Cooperate HQ is in the U.S.. i am willing to bet if enough people contacted them, they would be able to pull rank on the dev team to get the scene reinstated. maybe it is just a difference in culture, and the developers don't feel comfortable with releasing the scene.

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B.) they managed to slip the scene past ESRB and/or IARC. for digital games, the review/rating process is done by an automated method through IARC. we could be opening a huge can of worms here, and ousting the developers. not likely! more likely, the scene was seen by IARC and the game is appropriately rated.

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C.) there is a conspiracy going on... somewhat recently in the U.S., they passed the law to increase the legal age for purchasing tobacco from 18+ to 21+. this is federal law, but on the other hand... the legal age for sex is pretty vague, even by federal law. for the most part, it is up to the states to set this. with Afin being only 19 in that scene... maybe SEGA has the one-up on some knowledge the general public doesn't?

@Guardian

arguing counter-intuitive points and not adding anything to the discussion.

sorry for getting the topic de-railed. i intended to leave the thread with saying my final piece that i am for the removal of the minimum height restriction. this guy comes back with off-topic banter, and hope we can just get the topic back on track.

@all-of-us

if at all possible, please don't get this one locked. thank you!

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either way, the thread is specifically for the restriction on minimum height to be removed. and, in the end, that restriction being removed doesn't violate any law. any at all what-so-ever. regardless of what players do, that is not SEGA themselves portraying anything. quite literally all SEGA would have to do is say all player characters are of 18+ in age, if even that.

in the end, not a matter of law.

+1 for that removal. thank you~!

@ApollosAmour said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

@Yin I remember someone posting pictures from both versions and the sliders capped the same for max but not min and the explanation was that a limb slider is glitched out which causes issues for max, making it appear like it's capped.

oh yeah! i do believe you might be correct. this was one issue i had in character creation where the height would get reset. which is why i simply accepted the scaled proportions as it were when maxing out the height slider, and didn't do anything in-depth.

normally, i can spend several hours in character create... maybe even delete my character multiple times to get the smallest detail i want correctly.

personally? i hadn't known my character could get any more freakishly tall, and already feel like a giant in most cut-scenes! LOL!

but know what? i would totally make her taller if could be. that is just the type of character Zluexy is.

i would also make a shortest possible character as an alt... maybe add some bunny ears, or something.

unless modeling after some anime character, or something... i have never been one to go with middle-height characters.