The problem isn't necessarily just attacking Nyau. Sometimes attacking him to cancel out his latest action is better, but the occasional problem is whoever has Nyau's enemy aggression keeps running away from him instead of standing next to him while attacking. This will cause Nyau to constantly chase that individual and waste time. The same thing also happens if his attention is constantly being bounced between multiple players attacking him.

To sum it up if you are the one attacking Nyau and holding his attention just stay next to him so you don't waste time.

@JoiningVase4637 said in Br/Ph might not be for you if you don't learn to play Br properly:

In JP people get kicked put of UQ even on non Veteran Mode instanced content.

They will put down the beacon, let you join the party, and the first time you die 3 times in a row and wonder why the people in the MPAZ are leaving, is all rdy too late.

There's no theorycrafting, there's no learning the meachanics on your own. The game is 8 years old. It got a rigid META and a demanding skill ceiling set in stone by players themselves. And if you don't follow it, you get 2 choice.

1- Play with premades or your Alliance 2- Fall in the META

What am I even reading? A lot of this is blatantly false. Any good intentions that you may have had is completely gone from the perspective of another individual.

@Vexation said in WHICH SCION CLASS DO YOU THINK IS THE STRONGEST? HERO? PHANTOM? ETOILE? LUSTER?:

Mhm, I never said Hunter didn't do damage but compared to other things it's not quite as much.

Such as? This is in the context of Persona UH solo.

The damage modifiers for Fi sub (Brave Stance) and Et sub are not that far apart. With all modifiers factored in, Fi sub (Brave) is x1.859 and Et sub is x1.874. You can also take a total of +200 base atk from the Fi as a sub tree and PP Slayer (+200 non-base atk) since you'll have enough points to cover the gap too. Whereas Et sub is only +50 base atk, but it is more pp efficient and the damage is less conditional when comparing TAJA to TACB. You'll be able to make better use of critical damage s-abilities as Et and the critical strike ring for 100% crit rate which will push sub Et a bit further ahead, but it's not as dramatic as Fi sub losing out by 20% damage or something like that.

Mastering Blaze Parry in a scenario such as this is super high DPS regardless of Fi or Et sub. Hell, Blaze Parry is so good even Fi/Hu benefits from it to the point it can out DPS all 3 Fi weapons in appropriate situations.

@Knight-Raime said in WHICH SCION CLASS DO YOU THINK IS THE STRONGEST? HERO? PHANTOM? ETOILE? LUSTER?:

@Bellion

To keep this brief since I've grown tired of repeating myself I'll say two things.

First, please define what "demanding content" is for me. Thank you for your time and telling me the additional info at the bottom of your response.

And second I feel like using endless as a sole point for talking about general game balance is a bit much specifically because the situations you find yourself in said quests are not in "normal" content. Like it's next to impossible to dodge through all attacks in endless with say hero. But in pretty much any other content you can. Would you say that makes heros loop of "not getting hit" flawed?

This isn't to say that there's no useful information to be gleamed from using endless. I just don't think it should be the entire thing someone hinges their argument on when talking about balance (not to accuse you of doing so.)

Regardless. Thanks again for responding. As any information about the game I care to know about

I would consider demanding content to be something that has time constraints and puts pressure on you to learn your class to a high extent in order to get far. That would include soloing Urgent Quests whether it is to be able to S-rank it or being able to even achieve a clear by yourself, certain limited time quests, divide quests, endless quests, some of the ultimate quests, etc.

While it's true that there are somethings you do in endless that you will not do elsewhere, it's one of the few places where every single aspect of a class is tested and definitely does emphasize on class strengths and weaknesses. That's why quite a bit of players use that as a sort of benchmark for classes, but at the same time it's correct you shouldn't base the overall class balance on this alone. Different types of content demands different strengths, so we must take that in consideration for which scion classes still dominate overall(especially Luster) but some of the legacy classes do have their niche. Losing Hero Boost in endless is a weakness of the class compared to other scions that doesn't have to worry about getting hit and losing any damage boost. However, it has received updates that allow it to regain damage % back from a successful step counter attack to mitigate that weakness. The amount of attacks that are tossed at you as a Hero are a plus if you can manage between the chaos because it excels at counter damage which essentially means anything that even attacks you is a potential gain in power for you.

Now look at it from a legacy class perspective as Fighter where if you lose your Overload because Overload Safeguard triggered from a sneeze(in a similar situation like Hero losing Hero Boost), you're losing approximately 22-25% damage(ranges based on equipment and skilltree), your double pp recovery from Crazy Heart(quite a big deal to lose), AND you get a longer skill cooldown time. Keep in mind Fighter is currently balanced to only keep up if you have Overload on and anytime it's down it's rather lackluster in damage output. There is no way to mitigate Overload Safeguard, but Hero Boosts's demerit can be mitigated through using the strength of the class. Now if we're adding in safety nets such as Iron Will from Hunter sub that is only a 75% chance and if you've done augmenting in this game you know how often that can fail, and that is out of your control. You have Etoile sub with that hefty damage reduction, but it doesn't stop something like static damage acid rain ticks in Divide Quest or in a certain Limited-time quest, and now you've compromised DS damage if you are a DS player(most Fi players seem to be a DS player or use DS at some point). Essentially all of the higher skilled Fighters have major gripes with this class because it has too many flaws and not enough of a reward for a class meant to be "high risk and high reward" so in reality it's currently "high risk and low reward".

Now, since a majority of players pretty much play scion classes at this point and have stopped playing legacy classes or haven't played them extensively keep commenting on how "classes are balanced, just get better" this sends a message to the developers that things are okay when in reality that's not true. The minority of players that play legacy classes with their voice are drowned by the majority. I believe enough noise was recently made to make the balance team notice that Fighter is indeed in need of balance changes because of a buff to an already good solution PA for Hunter gets something, while Fighter's solution PA got nothing and it's overall inferior in just about every aspect. Just about every Fighter I saw got quite peeved at this to say the least due to constant ignoring of the class problems by the balance team.

Just to be on topic: Luster can also be considered a finalized way to play Etoile DS since they share just about the same mechanics except GS has more things added, faster paced, and definitely stronger. Opinion: Luster is also much more fun to play than Etoile DS.

"You will have players that say that you can play whatever class you want to clear just about any content which is true, but some basic classes will never compete with scion classes in some of the more demanding content in terms of damage output and clear times. This is based on players considered to be of equal caliber of their respective classes. Obviously the biggest factor will be how good the player is, but if you say that a basic class can compete with a scion class in Eternal Rondo based on effort alone then you're blatantly full of it."

Yeah, looks like @Knight-Raime didn't read that clearly. Play any class you want to but just know that there is definitely a bias towards Scion classes being overall better in demanding content, not casual content that anyone can play at their own pace.

There is a reason why Endless Quests are brought into factor while talking about actual overall game balance and just because players ignore it doesn't mean the quest doesn't exist. They may avoid the quest for reasons such as it's not appealing to them, drops aren't that worthwhile(currently worth it if you have a group that can 1 lap Rondo because of how often you'll get 8 slotted Profound weapons which are easy meseta right now), get demotivated from seeing their score after trying once and not learning the quest properly and therefore thinking it's complete shit, etc. These quests test the following of a class: Mobility, enemy tracking, the area of effect attacks and what types of range they have, PP efficiency, burst damage, consistent damage and this is especially against bosses that will actually fight back, and much more but listing every single thing is going to be a waste of time.

Scion classes definitely win overall in these categories uncontested. If you are going to argue Fighter is better than Scion classes in these departments overall and can "compete" you are clearly the ignorant one.

Since you also mentioned Fi/Et you should know that Fi/Hu has stronger double saber damage output because of a lack of modifiers from the /Et that benefit Kamaitachi which they are about to buff on the JP version for which NA/global will get AND the better super armor skill for double sabers. Fi/Et is certainly the way to go with Knuckles with how pp efficient it becomes and doesn't sacrifice damage. Twin Daggers benefit from Fi/Et and Fi/Hu(or /Lu) differently. -With /Et your twin dagger PAs will be much more PP efficient and just having the overall damage reduction without sacrificing damage either. -With /Hu(or/Lu) you have the option of making twin daggers that allows you to take hits to regenerate PP and heal it off with your attacks. In this case you will barely bother with normal attacking and just keeping on spamming PAs without worry of dying nor PP management issues. This can't be done with /Et because lifesteal would only heal you by 1 per hit done due to damage balancer, and you're going to proc Overload Safeguard if you keep trying that.

Edit: Well this post looked better in the preview. I can't be asked to deal with forum posting anymore.

@Furious said in WHICH SCION CLASS DO YOU THINK IS THE STRONGEST? HERO? PHANTOM? ETOILE? LUSTER?:

Better question:

When will they do a balancing pass to make it so Scion classes don't tower over everything else?

I've heard multiple times about how "When X class comes out you'll switch to that because Y reason"

How about no. I want to stay as a Techter, why does it and everything else need to be completely outclassed by the Scion classes?

Unfortunately, they won't do a thing that will allow basic classes to actually compete with scion classes in demanding content. There are a few cases where basic classes can out perform a scion, but those are very few. Since every update is done on the JP side where almost everyone plays a scion class or has a pocket scion class where their basic class doesn't shine, there isn't a demand to balance the basic classes to truly compete. NGS is around the corner so putting resources into basic class balance is a waste from the business standpoint, so you'll probably have to wait until then to play your basic class which will definitely have scion class elements in that game.

You will have players that say that you can play whatever class you want to clear just about any content which is true, but some basic classes will never compete with scion classes in some of the more demanding content in terms of damage output and clear times. This is based on players considered to be of equal caliber of their respective classes. Obviously the biggest factor will be how good the player is, but if you say that a basic class can compete with a scion class in Eternal Rondo based on effort alone then you're blatantly full of it.

No question about it though, Luster dominates even within the scion classes. Going to quote a very good Luster player will some of the best clear times in TAs and endless scores: "Luster's damage output is if Fighter had 100% Limit Break uptime." That's not even considering situations where we have extremely mobile and aggressive enemies where counter damage has the highest DPS output, PP efficiency, palette space, not dealing with a class that has demerits on its skills, and difference in potential AoE of the class weapons.

All of the scion/successor classes boast higher solo scores in both Endless Quests than Gu/Fi. Gu/Fi is arguably a "mid-tier" when it comes to Endless Quest solos now. If you're still using that 2018 data then you would think Fighter main is the second best at Endless still, but in the current balance it falls into the bottom 3 for Endless soloing with Su and Te being worse for solo scores.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/716020361 Found a speed cheater. It may be hard to tell, but their movements were abnormally fast without the movement skill aura. Their weapon action with soaring blades made them travel way too far. Guess I'll look into nvidia instant replay as I don't want to stream every single second of pvp, and I don't want to deal with hard drive space management from recording on and off. Either I didn't notice it immediately or they only started doing it in the middle of the match, but I didn't get to record much of it.

Well, my condolences for having to experience that bullshit. The accused in that video is 100% cheating, there is no room for doubt if you have played the game mode enough. I've seen a cheater flying across the map, and moving while using final nemesis with infinite pp a week ago. Thankfully, no other cheaters so far.