@JuggernautGTX said in Would be nice to have a Serious Bouncer Buff:
@Miraglyth looks like you missed the other stuff i wrote on purpose - OP was asking for a rework of the class and i still am talking about the things op demanded - also what does it have to do with "a bouncer doing slightly worse on masq depth than a million heroes who upload their videos on youtube" with "me being bad" ? i never said i play hero - nor did i ever say i play phantom - how about you do depth 300+ and share your average time of 50 battles vs masq? or did you dodge that point on purpose because you know you cant find any argument against it? did you even bother to test your class vs masq depths and compare your results with other classes or other bouncer? did op ever bother to do this other than "him testing bouncer vs practice mode bear" cause thats still the only "reliable source" he mentioned where "another class does better" while 99% of the pso2 community can agree that practice mode doesn show if your class is worse than other classes in terms of damage...also watching bouncer gameplay over and over he makes it look pretty easy not the "twice the effort you have to do than other classes" (but i do agree that his passive/active buffs are a little weird compared to scion classes or most other ones and are less rewarding compared to a flat % passive buff wich doesn require you to do anything in fight...but since you can freely choose a subclass it doesn look as bad as it looks on paper) - but still if pressing 2 buff buttons more than others is now "twice the effort but low reward" than i must be playing a different game for sure...rifle phantom for example feels alot harder in my view for "getting most dps out of it" than bouncer does...but i guess thats a personal view where everyone could have different opinions
but i love to wait for your masq depth 300+ results on bouncer so we can compare those to other classes and see how bad a bouncer is vs bosses compared to others...but of course youll say stuff like "oh that doesn count" xDDDD
and also i wanna see if your bouncer does well enough for easy 3-2-1 runs in armada where its more about being effective vs masses of enemies not just a single boss - wich shows me that bouncer are capable of clearing any content of the game with ease...or are you future crafting now and saying that bouncer will get worse than other classes in the near future? cause right now hes definitely not as bad as some randoms here make the class look like
and last but not least i love repeating myself (directed at op not against the qol changes some ppl suggested) if you feel you underperform with bouncer - if you feel that class just isnt for you so you demand a "rework" of that class to change it completely...why not play one of the other classes wich are "easier to play" and wont need "as much effort" if you hate the bouncer right now? why ruin the fun for people who enjoy playing that class? most important thing is not "the damage" but if the class is fun to you...if you hate playing it theres no reason to rework the class for you until "it fits"
Ok you already stated your disappointment about this thread, so, just a question: why are you still arguing? Feels like you are here just for get some salt, if you know what i mean and again this kind of approach is against this section rules of the forum.
Thats from the basic rule of this section:
I just want to let everyone know of the true intention behind this section being created. This is for Suggestions by players of what they would like to see in the game, and these are opinions that they are entitled to. They are not debate points, and the purpose of this section is not to debate someone's opinion. Please do not put down the suggestions of others, even if you don't think it can be done for this game, as Sega does make other games where they could be implemented.
Valid responses to player suggestions would include agreements with the players sentiments (so we can see numbers) and additional justification if they have it. Those who disagree can respond, however only by sharing why they disagree. Please do not tell others things are "not possible," or that they are "wasting Sega's time."
Generally, "I think" or "I feel" comments are valid. Judgement of others and their opinions is not."*
So, since you are disappointed and, you had expressed your concern about why you dont agree, i dont know why this has to go on and on.