Why I left FFXIV for PSO2

@Monomate Great mindset to have

The main reason to quit a game, in my opinion, is when you feel you can't support the current direction of the game. Basically, why I quit Global was because I couldn't agree with how it was and still is being managed. I simply could not, in good conscious, continue supporting Global. FFXIV I may take breaks from but will always happily return to because it is well managed.

I'm not going to say it has it all, but if people are looking for a go between. Amazon's New World launches August 31st. Been playing the closed beta and it feels nice. Definitely has some annoyances and bugs to flesh out...but assuming they don't delay it again. It's easily a game that can probably fill the void for some of you. I'll be playing it, at least.

@Archetype-Luna said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2:

The main reason to quit a game, in my opinion, is when you feel you can't support the current direction of the game. Basically, why I quit Global was because I couldn't agree with how it was and still is being managed. I simply could not, in good conscious, continue supporting Global. FFXIV I may take breaks from but will always happily return to because it is well managed.

I suppose that makes sense but I don't think I will understand becoming that attached to a game. I'm not sure the reasons behind continuing to post on said game's forum once you've severed that relationship, and would think it best to move on at that point, but you do you.

@FoolsArcana said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2:

I'm not going to say it has it all, but if people are looking for a go between. Amazon's New World launches August 31st. Been playing the closed beta and it feels nice. Definitely has some annoyances and bugs to flesh out...but assuming they don't delay it again. It's easily a game that can probably fill the void for some of you. I'll be playing it, at least.

I've definitely got my eyes on New World and would opt in to try it out myself with everyone else but I hear it's doing a fantastic job of bricking graphics cards right now. I'll be keeping an eye on updates for sure and may dip my toes in the water once that's been sorted. Ashes of Creation also look hella cool but I don't expect that to even be near beta status until maybe another year or two, or five.

Can you play FFXIV on console? Or is it just PC? If it is just PC is it really fair to compare the two game because Pso2 NGS have different rules to follow because it is console based?

@Rain-Gnyu PS4 and Xbox 360 (or One).

@FoolsArcana said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2:

Definitely has some annoyances and bugs to flesh out

Like bricking GPUs. Minor annoyance.

@Monomate Seems its fairly consistent on 3080/3090s. Theres been some reports on other cards but it's been primarily those cards from EVGA. Considering the brands previous reliability, its surprising. Something about how something was bonded together, but I haven't kept up with the articles on what else they are finding.

Is Ashes of creation the new souls game?

I've been running the game on my 1080Ti with no issues for the closed beta. Really in depth and immersive game play. Not too attracted to the story but there is so much else to do that the bit that is there for world building is fine.

If anyone does try it, do yourself a favor and turn shadows to low. It significantly helps.

@Monomate said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2:

@Archetype-Luna said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2: I suppose that makes sense but I don't think I will understand becoming that attached to a game. I'm not sure the reasons behind continuing to post on said game's forum once you've severed that relationship, and would think it best to move on at that point, but you do you.

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I continue to complain because I still care. The series has been with me since my childhood, so I want it to succeed.


@Rain-Gnyu said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2:

Can you play FFXIV on console? Or is it just PC? If it is just PC is it really fair to compare the two game because Pso2 NGS have different rules to follow because it is console based?

FFXIV has been on both PC and Console since the beginning. Even if it wasn't, it is still fair to compare the two games because they exist in the same market and we are comparing their management, which isn't really affected by being on PC or Console. FFXIV, being on both PC and Console, shows that being on multiple platforms does not affect how a game is managed. If two live service games exist in the same market at the same time, it is always fair to compare them because they are competing in the same market.

@Archetype-Luna said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2:

they exist in the same market

Of what, being games? Because otherwise nah.

@Furious-0 Of being MMO's. NGS and FFXIV both exist in the same market as massively multiplayer online games.

I have given up on logged into NGS for about a week. Just happened to come back and see if anything is happening to the game.

@Archetype-Luna I have watched the video how Asmon comments to the MMO citizen theory, and I totally agreed.

Currently, NGS is definitely an incompleted game. Its lack of social features, story, and content. If someone mentions the roadmap... the roadmap is too long to wait.

Also, I am too addicted to the fashion thing and spent too much money on the AC Scatches (I'm the kind of person who wants to collect every single piece of fashion stuff in the game >:) ). So I think it's time to take a break for a while or even let go from PSO2/NGS. I may happen to log into the game from time to time to take some screenshots for my character anyway, but I will spend no more money on the game unless Sega provides a way for us to craft some of the in-game wears/accessories ourselves, just like FFXIV. It's too ridiculous to require AC scatches for every single piece of wear.

@FoolsArcana said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2:

@Monomate Seems its fairly consistent on 3080/3090s. Theres been some reports on other cards but it's been primarily those cards from EVGA. Considering the brands previous reliability, its surprising. Something about how something was bonded together, but I haven't kept up with the articles on what else they are finding.

Is Ashes of creation the new souls game?

I've been running the game on my 1080Ti with no issues for the closed beta. Really in depth and immersive game play. Not too attracted to the story but there is so much else to do that the bit that is there for world building is fine.

If anyone does try it, do yourself a favor and turn shadows to low. It significantly helps.

I will keep that advice in mind, haha.

Ashes of Creation is an MMO based around the economy and warfare between players and mobs. Its claim to fame is allowing players to shape the world, however you will interpret that. I'm mostly interested in trying it out for its crafting and gathering aspects but the raids look pretty massive even in an alpha so I might just do a bit of everything. I really like the art style and the environments. It's pretty gorgeous but still a work in progress being on its first alpha right now.

@Archetype-Luna said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2:

@Monomate said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2:

@Archetype-Luna said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2: I suppose that makes sense but I don't think I will understand becoming that attached to a game. I'm not sure the reasons behind continuing to post on said game's forum once you've severed that relationship, and would think it best to move on at that point, but you do you.

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I continue to complain because I still care. The series has been with me since my childhood, so I want it to succeed.

Although admirable, most of the serious complaints in the censorship thread have been because they want to see the original cutscenes in this game with underage anime characters strip down naked and take a sauna with older anime characters because it is for the character development, and for the return of a certain clock to its previous glory. I'm sure these complaints mean well but I just don't see it. I'm doubtful if that was the first sign of their downfall in global because from what I hear Episode 4 was the starting point of their decline on the Japanese side. Despite that, the game seems to still be doing well in Japan probably because of Episode 6's face heel turn. No clue about NGS.

FFXIV and PSO2 are two different species of video game. One is a sub-based MMO. The other is a free to play online action RPG with multiplayer elements in the lobby. Arguably, I would consider NGS more of an MMO because of the open world mechanics with the Gigantix whereas base PSO2 had instanced areas with smaller numbers. Semantics aside, they are both multiplayer games but the way they make money also differs. To say that Sega could copy the success of SE by doing literally the same things is not a sure fire recipe for success. The point in time that the West stopped receiving Phantasy Star games was by the Universe era when we got Phantasy Star Portable 2. Low sales on the retail games and on PSU most definitely had an impact on their decision, but the decline of PSU was an interesting roller coaster. Interestingly enough, when Sega tried making a more dark take on the PSO2 brand with Nova, it was met with low sales in JAPAN of all places, and people still have a cult following with that one to this day. I hear the combat changes were good.

Since PSO2 doesn't have subscriptions (if you ignore the premium perks which is basically trading, shop access, quality of life additions) that also means free players can continue to post on their forum and provide feedback. Free players are given free range to allow their creativity to blossom, which has brought us to today's media failures such as people spamming racist remarks to paid streamers, crass messages, make lewd accessory combinations, the list goes on. Compare that to SE who prevents people without a sub to post on their forum, and even then, when you reactivate the sub, there's a cooldown period for allowing you back in. Free players can't add friends, can't be invited to an FC, can't chat in the overworld unless they're brought into the NN and even then that's gated by the mentors who can still kick them. This part, I believe, Sega should try to imitate for the better since the free players are making a mockery of their game in the west. And even then, it may not even be the free players but paid players with alt accounts or the paid players themselves. Actions need consequences. Feedback like this I can take seriously. Not so much the whines of censorship when said censorship has been putting clothes on a few characters and removing a cutscene where everyone chills. And the death of a clock, rest his soul.

@AngryRhombus563 said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2:

@Rain-Gnyu PS4 and Xbox 360 (or One).

You can’t play ff14 on Xbox, you can most of the others but not that one sadly

@Monomate said in Why I left FFXIV for PSO2:

Although admirable, most of the serious complaints in the censorship thread have been because they want to see the original cutscenes in this game with underage anime characters strip down naked and take a sauna with older anime characters because it is for the character development, and for the return of a certain clock to its previous glory. I'm sure these complaints mean well but I just don't see it. I'm doubtful if that was the first sign of their downfall in global because from what I hear Episode 4 was the starting point of their decline on the Japanese side. Despite that, the game seems to still be doing well in Japan probably because of Episode 6's face heel turn. No clue about NGS.

If you think censorship is the only complaint I've had or have, you are very wrong. I've criticized their management, monetization, communication, and so much more. Quite literally, the first sign of downfall I got was the release of the SG Scratches before Global got proper SG sources, despite having the necessary content for them (casino) compounded with how the SG Scratches were released an episode early before additional content that could offer SG (PvP) were available. I've complained about how it took them forever to fix the My Room Poster bug which prevented people from accessing them room and using crafting despite the cause of the bug being known with a community developed fix available.

FFXIV and PSO2 are two different species of video game. One is a sub-based MMO. The other is a free to play online action RPG with multiplayer elements in the lobby. Arguably, I would consider NGS more of an MMO because of the open world mechanics with the Gigantix whereas base PSO2 had instanced areas with smaller numbers. Semantics aside, they are both multiplayer games but the way they make money also differs. To say that Sega could copy the success of SE by doing literally the same things is not a sure fire recipe for success. The point in time that the West stopped receiving Phantasy Star games was by the Universe era when we got Phantasy Star Portable 2. Low sales on the retail games and on PSU most definitely had an impact on their decision, but the decline of PSU was an interesting roller coaster. Interestingly enough, when Sega tried making a more dark take on the PSO2 brand with Nova, it was met with low sales in JAPAN of all places, and people still have a cult following with that one to this day. I hear the combat changes were good.

Sub based or f2p does not matter when it comes to the main factors that make FFXIV so amazing. Good management and Communication with the developers are two factors that are critical to FFXIV that could be easily adopted by any live service game. The things that Yoshi P have stated at GDC all those years ago are universal to live service games, not just sub based MMO's. Those principles are based on respecting their players.

Since PSO2 doesn't have subscriptions (if you ignore the premium perks which is basically trading, shop access, quality of life additions) that also means free players can continue to post on their forum and provide feedback. Free players are given free range to allow their creativity to blossom, which has brought us to today's media failures such as people spamming racist remarks to paid streamers, crass messages, make lewd accessory combinations, the list goes on. Compare that to SE who prevents people without a sub to post on their forum, and even then, when you reactivate the sub, there's a cooldown period for allowing you back in. Free players can't add friends, can't be invited to an FC, can't chat in the overworld unless they're brought into the NN and even then that's gated by the mentors who can still kick them. This part, I believe, Sega should try to imitate for the better since the free players are making a mockery of their game in the west. And even then, it may not even be the free players but paid players with alt accounts or the paid players themselves. Actions need consequences. Feedback like this I can take seriously. Not so much the whines of censorship when said censorship has been putting clothes on a few characters and removing a cutscene where everyone chills. And the death of a clock, rest his soul.

Actually look through my post history sometime; though spare a bit of time because it is quite long. While censorship is definitely the most visible complaint I've had; I've made plenty of other complaints on different subjects. I've sent more feedback than just censorship complaints. I have even stated before that censorship is just one step in what I believe is needed: a unified service. Like that is the main reason why I am so critical of censorship, because it is an obstacle towards a unified service and equity between the Global and JP servers. Plus censorship is a waste of development time and money.