For potential Burning Rangers BGM: Use the English vocals!

Preface: This is a speculative suggestion because it may never be relevant, but in case it is I need to make it in advance for any chance of it happening.


Once upon a time Sonic Team made a Saturn game called Burning Rangers. As was starting to become popular at the time (likely aided by the breakthrough of disc-based console gaming), it had a vocalised song: Angels with Burning Hearts.

Originally releasing in Japan as Sega games tend to, the original version was sung by Takenobu Mitsuyoshi. This is the same Mitsuyoshi who sings both the Japanese and English versions of "We're ARKS" in the ARKS Dance Festival concerts, which is why the follow-up act names him.

This song has made multiple guest appearances in Phantasy Star, dating all the way back v2 on the Dreamcast! It had a downloadable bonus quest (before such things were called DLC) called Central Dome Fire Swirl, which itself was an homage to Burning Rangers including the appearance of lead characters. Later, Phantasy Star Universe had an event called Operation Firebreak with a similar but less directly referential quest.

In every appearance to my knowledge, the localised Phantasy Star release has used the Mitsuyoshi Japanese vocals. But! Burning Rangers itself was localised back on the Saturn, and that included song vocals! Not only in the game itself, but the full versions. Angels With Burning Hearts has an English version sung by Dennis St. James.

In Japan, Phantasy Star Online 2 has followed the tradition and used this song before. It looks like it repeated the Universe form of an event quest, once again using the track as its music. The game also contains two Burning Rangers tracks as music discs with BR #01 being Angels With Burning Hearts (the other is I Just Smile which also dates back to PSOv2). Not only that but Mitsuyoshi has performed the song at real-world PSO2 concerts.

Now we won't get the concert, we may not get the event, and we may not even get the music discs. But Phantasy Star Online 2 has made a point of its work to localise as many of its songs as it can into English: Every Quna song by Kayli Mills, Rare Drop Koi-Koi by multiple singers and even We're ARKS by Takenobu Mitsuyoshi himself. There are surely more localised songs we've still yet to hear, from Quna and others. Meanwhile some of the songs to not be localised were in English already, even including the Vocaloid performance of Living Universe.

Rarely if ever before has the series made such an effort to provide English versions of Japanese vocals. Even when PSOv2 on the Dreamcast added English vocals to the original The Whole New World (which were reused in all future iterations), that was from "na na na na naaa" in v1 and no Japanese vocals existed.

Which brings us to my request:

To my knowledge, the original Dennis St. James version of Angels With Burning Hearts has sadly never made it into an English localisation of a Phantasy Star title.

This feels like the perfect opportunity to change that, in doing so paying a great amount of respect for the performance itself, the comparable effort to do such a thing way back in the days of the Saturn and the memories of western Sega gamers with the same spirit that led to Burning Rangers' now-traditional guest appearances in the first place.

So with the unlikely chance of us getting to play this particular event quest, it'd be an amazing moment to enter the area and hear the 90's pomp of the original English vocals that have waited over 20 years for their time to shine in a Phantasy Star.

More likely, we won't get this event quest. But we may still get the music discs. Which would still be great, because music discs in PSO2 support multiple tracks! Adding the English version as a new Tune B would not only be straightforward but would allow it to coexist with the Mitsuyoshi Japanese vocals. Win / win!

This would be great. I'd love to at the very least see a multi track music disc with all of these in there. Another fire swirl/break type event would be fun though. They could include multiple versions within the mission and in the lobby too.

Maybe they could make Tune A be the english vocals and Tune B the japanese vocals

@OmegaNeo8603 said in For potential Burning Rangers BGM: Use the English vocals!:

Maybe they could make Tune A be the english vocals and Tune B the japanese vocals

šŸ¤· I'm not sure it really matters which is which?

@Miraglyth I'm dumb and I might have not read your last paragraph from your post correctly hahaha. Aside from that, it's a good suggestion imo

@Miraglyth I agree, though I do hope that they do the event quest, possibly make the drops better as that one is really old. Also, I think the fire extinguisher weapon is from that quest, and Global got a version of it in Gone with the Wind & Rain. I never one, but I've seen it on the market.

Another suggestion for how they could do 8 years worth of seasonal UQs, is have a different one each day of that season with increased drop rates to make up for not having it every day, and give out all the Event NPC Avatars from that season from the past 8 years in JP. Make the event exchanges all available forever and use generic badges for them, badges that will always be available.

@Home-Rowed said in For potential Burning Rangers BGM: Use the English vocals!:

@Miraglyth I agree, though I do hope that they do the event quest, possibly make the drops better as that one is really old. Also, I think the fire extinguisher weapon is from that quest, and Global got a version of it in Gone with the Wind & Rain. I never one, but I've seen it on the market.

Yeah obviously I'd like to see the event quest too! But Event quests for events that last 2-4 weeks with one quest each makes it pretty difficult to fit in and (if Xia is involved) have relevant client orders for, so I can understand why that might not happen. It looks like the event is old enough to be tuned to things like old movement speeds and such too so it would likely need considerable re-tuning.

Since it's all-classes, I'm actually still using my Farewell Inferno v2 for Advance Quest PSE farming! And on Bonus quests too, though much less since I've got a good gunblade with a decent Increased EXP on it. One of its augments is Froggy Fever, which makes it pretty easy to tell where it came from! I'd look to giving it proper augments (or at least changing its element from Dark) but as you point out it's really bad now, 200 Pwr weaker than any other 13ā˜… launcher and the only one to be weaker than Nox and a couple of 12ā˜…s. I could get a Shooting Drive for that.


@Home-Rowed said in For potential Burning Rangers BGM: Use the English vocals!:

Another suggestion for how they could do 8 years worth of seasonal UQs, is have a different one each day of that season with increased drop rates to make up for not having it every day, and give out all the Event NPC Avatars from that season from the past 8 years in JP. Make the event exchanges all available forever and use generic badges for them, badges that will always be available.

I was starting to have thoughts like this while reading and writing a response to the earlier part of your post. One day per quest is a bit tight, mentally I was leaning towards a small handful like 3 every week or 5 every fortnight, either as part of a one-time legacy event quest showcase (which could allow them to be UQs) or randomly selected to appear on rotation in a freely-playable Retired Event Quests menu.

Probably the biggest barriers to this are translation and benefit; it'd be quite the effort to translate I guess maybe 20? quests, and really unfeasible if they had unique dubbing. And people might not wish to play them all that much unless they were given regular incentives like being weekly/tier missions. I can't imagine they'd want to bother if these quests were just going to get Challenge Mode'd.

There'd also be an issue about many of them never giving any 13ā˜… weapons or previously having OT rewards, but I like your idea of having them all drop a unified badge to exchange at a Retired Events counter for the v2/Snow/etc series that have no practical use in the game anymore but would be great for variety and perhaps extend players' interest in weapon transmutation.

I really like your idea of a Retired Event Quests menu, if everything eventually ended up there after a while, I think it'd be good for the posterity of the game.

Major bump!!

@PrinceBrightstar said in Sega, you are starving your playerbase.:

Honestly this week would have been a great opportunity to bring in the ARKS Ship Fire Swirl UQ to catch up that all the content promise. the UH version is supposed to be released on the JP version fairly soon

Apparently JP are getting a revival of ARKS Ship Fire Swirl. That means we might get it too!!

This suggestion - use and celebrate Dennis St. James' English vocals of this track for the first time in a western Phantasy Star cameo - is hereby being brought back to the forefront!

I'd like to politely bump this one again. Partly because JP's ARKS Ship Fire Swirl revival and UH difficulty has very recently been confirmed to be arriving on March 3rd:

https://youtu.be/8XyMweT7Nbs?t=221

But also because JP are getting new audio for it too. The PV features a new vocalisation and not the original Takenobu Mitsuyoshi vocals, but also exclaims:

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I don't have a great translation of this, but it seems to be saying that the background music for this UQ will be randomised between three songs including the original (Mitsuyoshi) version and two others with mention of new recording.

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The translation I can get for this is even worse, but each of the two lines seems to refer to one of the other two versions:

The first line I really want to get a better translation for. It mentions English, the original song, and Mitsuyoshi. This could mean one of several things; potentially new lyrics with the same English meaning, potentially an English version (which might be the original lyrics and/or sung by Mitsuyoshi) or maybe - just maybe - the original English version by Dennis St. James which means this suggestion has possibly been fulfilled (at least on JP).

The second line refers to vocals by Daisuke Ono, the Japanese voice actor for Ash in Episode Oracle. This seems to be the version used in the PV, as various comments congratulate him and speak of him saying recently that he loved the song and wanted to cover it with messages like "Ono D's dream came true".

Sadly comments don't quite clear up the potential English version; only two so far mention the version that's not Daisuke Ono's and they conflict a bit:

On the stage, the original, cover, or English version will be played randomly.

Daisuke Ono of the anime version of Ash is singing in this video. In the quest, this and Mitsuyoshi's original song, a new English version will be random.

Unless this is a machine translation hiccup it definitely seems like one of the versions will be in English though. I'm really hoping it's the original. But even if it isn't, the fact they're providing new versions of the track for the UQ means there should be opportunity for a potential Global release to include the original English version too.

Edit: The JP Players Site page for the UQ gives overlapping detail:

[Angels with Burning Hearts] played here will have 3 songs randomly played! In addition to the original song, two new versions!

That corroborates what I could get translated of the video text, but also describes both non-original versions as new. This could mean new recordings or just versions of the song that are new to ARKS Ship Fire Swirl. So it may reduce but not eliminate the chance of the seemingly English version being the original from the Saturn game.


TLDR: JP are getting the ARKS Ship Fire Swirl UQ again it randomly plays one of three BGMs including new recordings. If Global gets this UQ too (and since it is part of the PSO 20th Anniversary celebration which also applies to Global, we should!) and the Dennis St. James version isn't already included, can Global please consider adding it to this randomisation?

An update now JP have updated and had their first ARKS Ship Fire Swirl window:

As expected, the two known tracks are the Mitsuyoshi original (that the Saturn game used) and a new Daisuke Ono recording (Ash's VA in Episode Oracle who said he wanted to cover it a while back).

The mystery original / English version? Seems that's the original English lyrics, and seemingly sung by Mitsuyoshi again.

There's one video uploaded so far that does half a dozen runs and it got randomly selected a couple times within that. 25:34 in the below link is a quiet time to hear a short part of it since the quest is packed with fighting.

https://youtu.be/asNFNbjlAcE?t=1534

This is... kind of a shame. If they know of the original lyrics, they must know of the original English version used in western releases of the Saturn game, and if the point was to be an English version that has to be considered not only definitive but also a more interesting distinction from Mitsuyoshi's Japanese vocals.

Still, this is on JP. If we get this UQ on Global, I continue to make the request that we get the original English version that the Saturn release of the game had in the west.


GMs, if you forward this request on, please make sure it is translated clearly: I expect if Sega hear a request with the words "original" and "English" that it's asking for English lyrics. It's not. It's asking for the actual version western Saturn players heard in 1998 to be one of the options.

A link should help - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMyHJhe2ggM