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@Archetype-Luna said in ALL THE CONTENT:

@Paladin Laws are not an issue as it has been explained before. If a child plays this game it is on their parent or guardian. The game is not meant for children. Height restriction can be removed without any strings.

Laws are very much an issue.

So are morals.

And its been expressively clear what your intentions are.

Wanting to be able to do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=TFGf9bGO2kg&feature=emb_logo

Is morally, culturally, and even legally, wrong in our country, of NA, where the censorship was custom made for, because it is a NA release. The only "Global" part of it is, anyone outside of NA can just make a NA account to play on it, but its still gonna be our censorship, our lootbox laws, and our culture that SEGA and Microsoft will respect.

Now, I will flat out say this but anyone who does not think, the link I shown above ISNT wrong, that its OK, then I am sorry but you pretty much flat out admitted.......

That your a Pedophile.

Case dismissed.

Here comes the p word argument again hate to say it but that bridge sailed a long long time ago with the people in question not being that. While it is the NA version it must still abide by Global laws and a good example of this is the Netherlands and Belgium not getting the game due to their laws on banning Loot boxes. Also the evidence to call people the p word is unfounded and has been disproved many times.

Also the chances of the FBI doing that to everyone here are low to zero since it is not illegal and in fact you would be violating free speech I am afraid to say besides many of the people might not even be in the US which makes it extremely difficult for them to enforce such laws if they did exist.

@Paladin If it was illegal, then it would not even be on youtube. If you want legal citation for why it would not be illegal for PSO2 to go uncensored:

If we refer to the Supreme Court Case, Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, where it presented the question:

The Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 (CPPA), prohibits, inter alia, the shipment, distribution, receipt, reproduction, sale, or possession of any visual depiction that "appears to be[] of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." 18 U.S.C. 2252A, 2256(8)(B) (Supp. V 1999). It also contains a similar prohibition concerning any visual depiction that is "advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." 18 U.S.C. 2252A, 2256(8)(D) (Supp. V 1999). The question presented is whether those prohibitions violate the First Amendment to the Constitution.

In the Supreme Court's ruling, it stated:

The statute is aimed at hard core child pornography and does not apply to innocuous images of naked children. Nor does it reach drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting youthful persons in sexually explicit poses.

As we have discussed, there are several ways to disseminate educational, medical, or artistic works concerning a child's sexuality without violating the CPPA: The Act does not cover drawings, cartoons, sculptures, and paintings that depict youthful-looking persons in sexual poses; it supplies an affirmative defense to persons who disseminate visual depictions involving adults who may appear to be children, provided that the depictions are not promoted or presented as child pornography, 18 U.S.C. 2252A(c) (Supp. V 1999); and the Act does not apply to visual materials in which sexually explicit conduct by children is understood to be taking place, as long as the sexually explicit conduct is not itself visually depicted.

PSO2 would fall under the umbrella of "drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings," and PSO2 does not promote or present itself as child pornography. Thus the legal precedent set by Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, would mean the CPPA would not apply to PSO2.

Let's also not forget there are games like Senran Kagura sold in the west (including the US) which go way further than the video you posted.

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@Paladin If it was illegal, then it would not even be on youtube. If you want legal citation for why it would not be illegal for PSO2 to go uncensored:

If we refer to the Supreme Court Case, Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, where it presented the question:

The Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 (CPPA), prohibits, inter alia, the shipment, distribution, receipt, reproduction, sale, or possession of any visual depiction that "appears to be[] of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." 18 U.S.C. 2252A, 2256(8)(B) (Supp. V 1999). It also contains a similar prohibition concerning any visual depiction that is "advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." 18 U.S.C. 2252A, 2256(8)(D) (Supp. V 1999). The question presented is whether those prohibitions violate the First Amendment to the Constitution.

In the Supreme Court's ruling, it stated:

The statute is aimed at hard core child pornography and does not apply to innocuous images of naked children. Nor does it reach drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting youthful persons in sexually explicit poses.

As we have discussed, there are several ways to disseminate educational, medical, or artistic works concerning a child's sexuality without violating the CPPA: The Act does not cover drawings, cartoons, sculptures, and paintings that depict youthful-looking persons in sexual poses; it supplies an affirmative defense to persons who disseminate visual depictions involving adults who may appear to be children, provided that the depictions are not promoted or presented as child pornography, 18 U.S.C. 2252A(c) (Supp. V 1999); and the Act does not apply to visual materials in which sexually explicit conduct by children is understood to be taking place, as long as the sexually explicit conduct is not itself visually depicted.

PSO2 would fall under the umbrella of "drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings," and PSO2 does not promote or present itself as child pornography. Thus the legal precedent set by Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, would mean the CPPA would not apply to PSO2.

Let's also not forget there are games like Senran Kagura sold in the west (including the US) which go way further than the video you posted.

I had people arrested for a Cartoon of a sexualized Loli.

Once again. You continue to show how poorly educated you are, you just want to make a little girl to fap to.

Disgusting.

Afraid you are incorrect and are using weak counter points to support your main argument here.

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@Paladin Laws are not an issue as it has been explained before. If a child plays this game it is on their parent or guardian. The game is not meant for children. Height restriction can be removed without any strings.

Laws are very much an issue.

So are morals.

And its been expressively clear what your intentions are.

Wanting to be able to do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=TFGf9bGO2kg&feature=emb_logo

Is morally, culturally, and even legally, wrong in our country, of NA, where the censorship was custom made for, because it is a NA release. The only "Global" part of it is, anyone outside of NA can just make a NA account to play on it, but its still gonna be our censorship, our lootbox laws, and our culture that SEGA and Microsoft will respect.

I am retired from work. But I used to be a I.T Technician that also helped the FBI on the side, where I would repair electronics, but also recover data and information in case of corruption or drive failure. I would report anything that looks like child pornography be it real, a Cartoon Hentai is also counted as cartoons or made with pixel or any 3D rendering technology Video Games and CG

If someone modded what I linked into their game, made a video of it, and was found on their computer, FBI dont care, they will confiscate it, and immediately throw the guy in jail. I seen it happen before.

Now, I will flat out say this but anyone who thinks, the link I shown above ISNT wrong, that its OK, then I am sorry but you pretty much flat out admitted.......

That your a Pedophile.

Case dismissed.

There is so much wrong in this post that you have to be trolling.

First off, NA isn't a country, it's a continent that contains several countries. Second, while you can argue that the removed content is morally wrong (which is an opinion), it isn't illegal to the best of my knowledge, unless you can point me to the specific law. Third, you are openly accessing and spreading that video. So if it's illegal content, as you claim, then you yourself have just committed a crime by accessing and transmitting it and should be thrown in jail.

@Archetype-Luna said in ALL THE CONTENT:

@Paladin If it was illegal, then it would not even be on youtube. If you want legal citation for why it would not be illegal for PSO2 to go uncensored:

If we refer to the Supreme Court Case, Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, where it presented the question:

The Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 (CPPA), prohibits, inter alia, the shipment, distribution, receipt, reproduction, sale, or possession of any visual depiction that "appears to be[] of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." 18 U.S.C. 2252A, 2256(8)(B) (Supp. V 1999). It also contains a similar prohibition concerning any visual depiction that is "advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." 18 U.S.C. 2252A, 2256(8)(D) (Supp. V 1999). The question presented is whether those prohibitions violate the First Amendment to the Constitution.

In the Supreme Court's ruling, it stated:

The statute is aimed at hard core child pornography and does not apply to innocuous images of naked children. Nor does it reach drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting youthful persons in sexually explicit poses.

As we have discussed, there are several ways to disseminate educational, medical, or artistic works concerning a child's sexuality without violating the CPPA: The Act does not cover drawings, cartoons, sculptures, and paintings that depict youthful-looking persons in sexual poses; it supplies an affirmative defense to persons who disseminate visual depictions involving adults who may appear to be children, provided that the depictions are not promoted or presented as child pornography, 18 U.S.C. 2252A(c) (Supp. V 1999); and the Act does not apply to visual materials in which sexually explicit conduct by children is understood to be taking place, as long as the sexually explicit conduct is not itself visually depicted.

PSO2 would fall under the umbrella of "drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings," and PSO2 does not promote or present itself as child pornography. Thus the legal precedent set by Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, would mean the CPPA would not apply to PSO2.

Let's also not forget there are games like Senran Kagura sold in the west (including the US) which go way further than the video you posted.

You constantly bringing up Senran Kagura makes me really want to see a collab scratch with them, (Yumi is best Waifu, fite me). In regards to the censorship, I dont personally mind either way. If they choose to keep the changes made in place that's fine, and if they choose to remove the censorship on height restrictions and the bath scenes that's also fine by me. At the end of the day, I love and adore this game, and I love that people are voicing their concerns over a game they too love (so long as they keep it civilized, I think these last 3 years have put everyone on edge). So whatever they do, as long as it doesn't get too extreme with the censorship, I'll still enjoy this game, warts and all.

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I'll save on the mass quote.

In regards to point 1. This is focused less so on market use but more to do with doing some content, I made a huge wording error on that apologies, while yes there is ENG speaking players, it's still supposed to primarily be a JP ship. Which means you're naturally forced to rely on being in a ENG alliance, for the solo player, who groups where needed this can be harder to provide ones services for group runs. This also partially applies to point 3 as it limits to level of options these players have, especially outside ship 2.

For point 2, the general case still comes back round to having a workaround to purchase these currencies is something that shouldn't be in play. The reason these exist is because logically by corporate standards consumers outside the target region shouldn't be paying. It's the same systems behind why Steam goes after VPN users for bypassing region lock times. It's designed for that locality only.

For point 4 the catch up is less focused on levelling and gearing, as I already covered both of these are fine, but say I wanted to get on top of cosmetics. This is a very different problem by standards of timescale.

Either way this is going away from the content discussion and more of a why Global or JP. The general point i'm going at is folks are perfectly okay to provide feedback about the global version and being told to go play JP if they want the content is a very weak argument considering the benefits global provides. Who knows what plans Sega holds, it's clear and interesting they're listening with interest. What they do, we'll see in time.

Holy Jinkies! I had no idea the forums were like this..... are there really that many players advocating for loli creation thus possibly pedophiles?????

Maybe I will stay on Reddit........this feels all sorts of wrong 😞

Heck theirs even a guy here who says the united states isnt even a country.............and my grandfather died for this country in the vietnam war. 😞

So much wrong in here......

@ConsularCar3125 Making a short character or even a child-like character doesn't mean you want to sexualize the character, let alone sexualize children. It doesn't make you a pedophile in anyway. There are plenty of reasons why someone would want the height restriction removed or want the cutscenes restored. Censorship is often a slippery slope.

Also I have yet to see someone say the United States isn't a country, and I had an uncle who died in the Vietnam War. My father and all of my fraternal uncles fought in it.

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@Paladin Laws are not an issue as it has been explained before. If a child plays this game it is on their parent or guardian. The game is not meant for children. Height restriction can be removed without any strings.

Laws are very much an issue.

So are morals.

And its been expressively clear what your intentions are.

Wanting to be able to do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=TFGf9bGO2kg&feature=emb_logo

Is morally, culturally, and even legally, wrong in our country, of NA, where the censorship was custom made for, because it is a NA release. The only "Global" part of it is, anyone outside of NA can just make a NA account to play on it, but its still gonna be our censorship, our lootbox laws, and our culture that SEGA and Microsoft will respect.

I am retired from work. But I used to be a I.T Technician that also helped the FBI on the side, where I would repair electronics, but also recover data and information in case of corruption or drive failure. I would report anything that looks like child pornography be it real, a Cartoon Hentai is also counted as cartoons or made with pixel or any 3D rendering technology Video Games and CG

If someone modded what I linked into their game, made a video of it, and was found on their computer, FBI dont care, they will confiscate it, and immediately throw the guy in jail. I seen it happen before.

Now, I will flat out say this but anyone who thinks, the link I shown above ISNT wrong, that its OK, then I am sorry but you pretty much flat out admitted.......

That your a Pedophile.

Case dismissed.

There is so much wrong in this post that you have to be trolling.

First off, NA isn't a country,

😞

@ConsularCar3125 They said North America is not a country, which is correct. It is a continent. North America is not the United States of America; it is a continent consisting of the United States of America, Canada, and Mexico, three separate countries.

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Holy Jinkies! I had no idea the forums were like this..... are there really that many players advocating for loli creation thus possibly pedophiles?????

Maybe I will stay on Reddit........this feels all sorts of wrong 😞

Heck theirs even a guy here who says the united states isnt even a country.............and my grandfather died for this country in the vietnam war. 😞

So much wrong in here......

I have the upmost respect for the dead but the united states is not a country and is instead a group of countries (States) similar to a continent but not a continent since that is different to what I am saying here. Your point on the p word is wrong and none of these people want to create small characters cause of those reasons as @Archetype-Luna rightly said that there are many reasons to want to create small characters which aren't bad in any way.

Ooooh so thats why they have the joke on "Canada" being North Americas hat. 🙂

@Zizel factually incorrect, most of Sega of America's releases have usually not been censored and have had excellent localizations. PSO2 is not handled by Sega of America, the decision to censor the game was made by Sega of Japan who handle the Global servers and outsourced Community Management to ESTsoft America and Localization to Lionbridge Technologies.