Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?

@MoldyAsp33874 said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

Meanwhile Guardian using a trails picture in which theres bath scenes with children that would even be young by PSO2 standards. Rated T- not M. And apparently legal to exist since it's sold on steam.

But yes- Sega miscalculated. They braced themselves for a backlash they would have never got because they didn't know their audience- somehow. Despite the game being out for 8 years. But I guess that's the cause of a JP dev team who only hears the loudest overseas voices. The problem is that they created a debate where there would have never been one. A game left untouched in this way would leave no one bothered other than the usual trolls who- surprise- made the WOW THIS GAME IS TOO SEXUALIZED thread anyway- despite the censorship. Sega made a dumb choice. It is barely a drop in the ocean as far how it hurt them- but they did lose some money over it. Still- NA as a whole has been conditioned to consume product without asking any questions so that's what will be done.

But still not supporting a censored version of a game- I have that right just like Sega has the right to spiral their censorship further down the episodes and pull the two versions apart even more. You can quote me on this when I say that the cosmetics I mentioned will never come to NA- I'd like to be wrong about it but so far every concern I have had just keeps being added to with every new content update.

You can have all the rights and freedom to disagree and not support all you want. It is afterall, a free country.

Same mindset as all those that are rioting, and looting, and destroying public property in many cities in the U.S right now even!

That is, until caught by the authorities since well, laws, culture, doing the right thing, our morals. You know, the stuff that keeps us behaving like respectable human beings.

But hey, good news! You can always mod it in if you want it so badly! Least you have that. 🙂

@Guardian then please explain to me why all the videos you shared still exist and being destributed on/by youtube? i thought it goes against law and is illegal? but yet you are able to share those on a high censorship site like youtube....heck youtube germany censors literally everything and makes it unavailable for our country....but the videos you showed can be opened by me from my location

if you explain this to me properly on why that content is still shown on youtube if as you claim its illegal - i will fully agree to you

@MoldyAsp33874 But if you're supporting Sega, you're still enabling what you don't like in NA.

@JuggernautGTX said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@Guardian then please explain to me why all the videos you shared still exist and being destributed on/by youtube? i thought it goes against law and is illegal? but yet you are able to share those on a high censorship site like youtube....heck youtube germany censors literally everything and makes it unavailable for our country....but the videos you showed can be opened by me from my location

if you explain this to me properly on why that content is still shown on youtube if as you claim its illegal - i will fully agree to you

Oh silly. Its because the first one was posted by a Japanese Citizen in the Japanese side of youtube.

Which for them its perfectly ok.

For the other one, it has a Age restriction on it, not for mature, but for Adult! Because it came from the JP Version, but its on our Youtube.

Cmon now, you can common sense better than that............

@Guardian said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@JuggernautGTX said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@Guardian then please explain to me why all the videos you shared still exist and being destributed on/by youtube? i thought it goes against law and is illegal? but yet you are able to share those on a high censorship site like youtube....heck youtube germany censors literally everything and makes it unavailable for our country....but the videos you showed can be opened by me from my location

if you explain this to me properly on why that content is still shown on youtube if as you claim its illegal - i will fully agree to you

Oh silly. Its because the first one was posted by a Japanese Citizen in the Japanese side of youtube.

japanese side of youtube? the content is available for you (i guess youre from the US) and for me as im german - its not being censored by youtube...so again my question why you claim its illegal if its still shown on youtube?

the origin of whoever uploaded it is irrelevant - youtube could be sued if it was illegal content as you claim but that video exist for awhile now

You're not going to get an explanation. He himself likely knows the law doesn't cover what he says it covers.

identifiable minor (9) “identifiable minor”— (A) means a person— (i) (I) who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or (II) whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and (ii) who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and (B) shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor.

indistinguishable (11) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults.

sexually explicit conduct “sexually explicit conduct” means actual or simulated— (i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex

Not that the explicit conduct would matter since the characters involved are not indistinguishable from actual minors that exist if it even did exist and was a straight porn game.

@JuggernautGTX said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@Guardian said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@JuggernautGTX said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@Guardian then please explain to me why all the videos you shared still exist and being destributed on/by youtube? i thought it goes against law and is illegal? but yet you are able to share those on a high censorship site like youtube....heck youtube germany censors literally everything and makes it unavailable for our country....but the videos you showed can be opened by me from my location

if you explain this to me properly on why that content is still shown on youtube if as you claim its illegal - i will fully agree to you

Oh silly. Its because the first one was posted by a Japanese Citizen in the Japanese side of youtube.

japanese side of youtube? the content is available for you (i guess youre from the US) and for me as im german - its not being censored by youtube...so again my question why you claim its illegal if its still shown on youtube?

the origin of whoever uploaded it is irrelevant - youtube could be sued if it was illegal content as you claim but that video exist for awhile now

Because again, its posted in youtube Japan, that would not come up on any searches unless you know the exact link for it. Uploaded by a Japanese Citizen from the Japanese Client. It cannot be taken down by anyone except Youtube or SEGA themselves. If we place up the same exact thing SEGA would force to take it down immediately.

Look I get it, you wanna make little girls for your................hobbies............

Go play the JP client if you want that. We do not want your..........hobbies.......in our PSO2. Its already been screwed up as is with this super casual content, power creep and other flaws as is. Alot of us are glad that those with your...........interests..........cant make them in our version, and we want it to stay that way.

@MoldyAsp33874 said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

You're not going to get an explanation. He himself likely knows the law doesn't cover what he says it covers.

identifiable minor (9) “identifiable minor”— (A) means a person— (i) (I) who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or (II) whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and (ii) who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and (B) shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor.

indistinguishable (11) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults.

sexually explicit conduct “sexually explicit conduct” means actual or simulated— (i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex

Not that the explicit conduct would matter since the characters involved are not indistinguishable from actual minors that exist if it even did exist and was a straight porn game.

To any adult with moral sense, especially parents of children, I am sorry but, the girl depicted in the chair dance video, which is what you and others with your..........tastes, want to do, will 100 percent look like a child being sexualized, and thus would take the game away from their children and raise complaints to SEGA. Which is what they completely want to avoid.

What does it take for you to see why what you want is bad for our version?

@Guardian said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?: It cannot be taken down by anyone except Youtube or SEGA themselves. If we place up the same exact thing SEGA would force to take it down immediately.


Okay now I know you're trolling.

Well i'm going to bed.

@Guardian said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@JuggernautGTX said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@Guardian said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@JuggernautGTX said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@Guardian then please explain to me why all the videos you shared still exist and being destributed on/by youtube? i thought it goes against law and is illegal? but yet you are able to share those on a high censorship site like youtube....heck youtube germany censors literally everything and makes it unavailable for our country....but the videos you showed can be opened by me from my location

if you explain this to me properly on why that content is still shown on youtube if as you claim its illegal - i will fully agree to you

Oh silly. Its because the first one was posted by a Japanese Citizen in the Japanese side of youtube.

japanese side of youtube? the content is available for you (i guess youre from the US) and for me as im german - its not being censored by youtube...so again my question why you claim its illegal if its still shown on youtube?

the origin of whoever uploaded it is irrelevant - youtube could be sued if it was illegal content as you claim but that video exist for awhile now

Because again, its posted in youtube Japan, that would not come up on any searches unless you know the exact link for it. Uploaded by a Japanese Citizen from the Japanese Client. It cannot be taken down by anyone except Youtube or SEGA themselves. If we place up the same exact thing SEGA would force to take it down immediately.

Look I get it, you wanna make little girls for your................hobbies............

Go play the JP client if you want that. We do not want your..........hobbies.......in our PSO2. Its already been screwed up as is with this super casual content, power creep and other flaws as is. Alot of us are glad that those with your...........interests..........cant make them in our version, and we want it to stay that way.

again - i do not share the same hobbies as you - i would have never looked for such videos if you didn share it from your collection i nthe first place....and again you did not answer me - why this video exist after more than a year if it was illegal? the land where it gets uploaded to doesn matter - if somebody from the US uploads a music video it gets censored for germany in a minute if not seconds after upload - youtube is the biggest "upload" site there is and takes things serious

and again why is this content illegal and still shown in the west? i dont get it please help....you still did not answer until now...content thats illegal gets removed in minutes from youtube

@MoldyAsp33874 said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@Guardian said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?: It cannot be taken down by anyone except Youtube or SEGA themselves. If we place up the same exact thing SEGA would force to take it down immediately.


Okay now I know you're trolling.

Well i'm going to bed.

@Guardian said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

@MoldyAsp33874 said in Height Restrictions, Remove or Stay?:

You're not going to get an explanation. He himself likely knows the law doesn't cover what he says it covers.

identifiable minor (9) “identifiable minor”— (A) means a person— (i) (I) who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or (II) whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and (ii) who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and (B) shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor.

indistinguishable (11) the term “indistinguishable” used with respect to a depiction, means virtually indistinguishable, in that the depiction is such that an ordinary person viewing the depiction would conclude that the depiction is of an actual minor engaged in sexually explicit conduct. This definition does not apply to depictions that are drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting minors or adults.

sexually explicit conduct “sexually explicit conduct” means actual or simulated— (i) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex

Not that the explicit conduct would matter since the characters involved are not indistinguishable from actual minors that exist if it even did exist and was a straight porn game.

To any adult with moral sense, especially parents of children, I am sorry but, the girl depicted in the chair dance video, which is what you and others with your..........tastes, want to do, will 100 percent look like a child being sexualized, and thus would take the game away from their children and raise complaints to SEGA. Which is what they completely want to avoid.

What does it take for you to see why what you want is bad for our version?

Nice reading comprehension- how are you going to cite a law and not be able to read what is in it? Where does it say sexualization is illegal?.. Do you know how much media would be illegal is sexualization was illegal?.. The collab they gave us of Konosuba has sexualization of minors in its anime. As most anime does in some way.. fanservice and what-not. It lighter rated than PSO2 is and is available to more people. And no one is getting arrested for it.

Just... Learn to read.

To those still citing laws and not allowing themselves the joy of being themselves. I will believe you and maybe even support you when you stop using the law as your shield. All you need to do is say it. Say you don't want the censor removed because YOU don't like it removed. How hard can that be? All your other arguments have been utterly destroyed. No buts no ifs. None stands.

The one single argument that people will respect you for is your own values and morals. Forget public culture. Forget laws that are proven not to apply. Just say the most important and valued thing. That YOU don't want to see the stuff. Period. I said that I don't like sexualization in general and nobody calls me a troll or worse for it. People respect my opinion because I was honest and polite. You all can do the same.

Take this advice from a middle aged man who hasn't traveled the world like all of you, who hasn't done too many achievements in life other than still being alive, but is someone who hates the objectification of women of all ages and who stands against any injustice against any human being.

All you need to do is to press 'F' to become you.

On another note, guess this thread's purpose was defeated, and I contributed a bit to it. My apologies to OP for it (really thought I was posting on the other thread, kek)

Stop allowing these trolls to derail the thread. State where you stand once, then move on. Do not feed, or debate the trolls as you further derail the thread, and allow these mentally unstable folks, obsessed with censorship to do exactly what they set out to, what you see here. If someone tries to debate you in this thread, block them, as their intent is clear. They can't even follow a simply rule set forth by OP.

One more thing, those banned from this forum, should not be allowed to make an alt, to circumvent the rules, and enforcement set forth by the GM's.

@Anarchy-Marine By trolls, I assume you mean everyone that's derailing the thread and not just the people you disagree with.

2 or 3 pro-censorship users here are trying to invalid the thread, that's very sad...

i just want to create my loli, and there is no problem about it, so SEGA please remove this stupid height restriction