The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2

@Archetype-Luna said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

@Ceciliantas If we refer to the Supreme Court Case, Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, where it presented the question:

The Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996 (CPPA), prohibits, inter alia, the shipment, distribution, receipt, reproduction, sale, or possession of any visual depiction that "appears to be[] of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." 18 U.S.C. 2252A, 2256(8)(B) (Supp. V 1999). It also contains a similar prohibition concerning any visual depiction that is "advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." 18 U.S.C. 2252A, 2256(8)(D) (Supp. V 1999). The question presented is whether those prohibitions violate the First Amendment to the Constitution.

In the Supreme Court's ruling, it stated:

The statute is aimed at hard core child pornography and does not apply to innocuous images of naked children. Nor does it reach drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings depicting youthful persons in sexually explicit poses.

As we have discussed, there are several ways to disseminate educational, medical, or artistic works concerning a child's sexuality without violating the CPPA: The Act does not cover drawings, cartoons, sculptures, and paintings that depict youthful-looking persons in sexual poses; it supplies an affirmative defense to persons who disseminate visual depictions involving adults who may appear to be children, provided that the depictions are not promoted or presented as child pornography, 18 U.S.C. 2252A(c) (Supp. V 1999); and the Act does not apply to visual materials in which sexually explicit conduct by children is understood to be taking place, as long as the sexually explicit conduct is not itself visually depicted.

PSO2 would fall under the umbrella of "drawings, cartoons, sculptures, or paintings," and PSO2 does not promote or present itself as child pornography. Thus the legal precedent set by Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, would mean the CPPA would not apply to PSO2.

Now 18 U.S. Code § 1466A does state:

Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting

So it does include "drawing[s], cartoon[s], sculpture[s], or paintingp[s]," but it also requires that the person(s) in question knowingly produce, receive, or possess with intent to distribute child pornography. The key words being knowingly and intent, as Sega would not be considered to be persons who knowingly or possess intent to distribute child pornography if this were to somehow be brought up in a court of law. Simply by having a policy against such depictions they would have a defense against such accusations as that is how it works with Symbol Arts. So there are no legal issues regarding short characters.

In regards to the cutscenes, if you actually watch the removed cutscene, the camera does not show Al's hand when he accidentally grabs Kohri's chest. Furthermore, the cutscene is in the game's files; that's where the dubbed voice lines came from. If there was an actual legal issue with the cutscenes, then they wouldn't be in the game's files. Any thing within a game's files constitutes as part of the game's content as far as rating boards and legal entities are concerned; an example of this would be Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and its infamous Hot Coffee Mod where the sex scenes were found within the game's files; thus the game was re-rated in rating boards across the world and banned in countries where said content is inappropriate. Simply by having the content within the game files, even if inaccessible during normal gameplay, constitutes as distributing said content as it is downloaded with the game.

So yeah, no, there is no legal issue with Sega uncensoring the game.

Yo, Luna, Im really happy for your lack of business sense and logic and love to let you finish, but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=TFGf9bGO2kg&feature=emb_logo

Discussion over.

@Guardian And if that was illegal, Google would be facing lawsuits for distributing said content on their platform.

Simply put, there are no legal issues with Sega uncensoring the game. The idea that there are US laws against this has been debunked repeatedly. The exact same links you are using, such as the link to 18 U.S. Code § 1466A, have been used before and have been seen plenty of times. Your exact same argument has been made before.

@Guardian said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

SEGA is Pro-Censorship. They will continue to BE Pro-Censorship for our version because in our LAWS.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1466A

And because of these LAWS. What YOU all want, Prime Example HERE. From the JP Client uploaded by a JP Player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=TFGf9bGO2kg&feature=emb_logo

AND

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3zItijuLdA&feature=emb_rel_pause

Goes COMPLETELY against it. For anyone who Mods it in, and gets found out about it, taking vids or screenshots of it, will not only lead to a PERMANENT BAN on your account, but also will lead to

https://youtu.be/Pht-hwDtBxk

Now as to the business side of things on why SEGA will keep their Pro-Censorship stance, and thus why they will keep the height restrictions because if that ever goes, breast size restrictions will be next to be asked for by the minority. Yes, you are all who wants the censorship removed, the minority, is very simple.

Money.

"But but but, the game has a Mature Rating!" Yes Bob, the game does indeed have a Mature rating. Violence, death, bikinis! Oh my! But do you all know what kind of players Free to play games draw in the most?

Children.

Yes, children, the kind that some of you wants to create thus why the censorship is needed. Now before I continue that line of thought, I need to clear something else in the room since some of you are very, very mistaken.

Our PSO2, is not Global. I repeat, OUR PSO2 IS NOT GLOBAL. It was made for North America, thus why their is a Region Lock in place, thus forcing anyone who wants to play on it to make or change their Accounts to North America. That is also why in some countries who are super enforcing anti-lootbox laws that the game is BANNED from those countries. So in the end, the complaints, justifications, and ill logic from those OUTSIDE OF NORTH AMERICA, or are not at least, an American citizen, are null, void, and holds absolutely, zero merit. Because its not your laws, morales and culture being taken into account for the SMALL amount of censorship heh see what I did there? that we have, its ours, North America. Deal with it. It is not YOUR PSO2, you are pretty much GUESTS in OUR house. So please refrain from any references to your own countries about censorship. You will remain guests until the NA Version officially becomes a Global version and you no longer have to change your regional settings. Likely will happen when NGS/Episode7/lolPSO3 is released.

Now back to the previous topic. Ah yes the censorship and our culture. You see, spite the game being Rated M, most North America living parents, do not care if little Jimmy and Jil plays a violent game that depicts gore, violence and what not. Thats the sad truth of it. Heck most parents dont care if they see a full grown woman in a swimsuit bikini doing a dance. What they DO care about, is if they see what appears, TO THEM, is a girl Jimmys age, lets say 13, doing a Chair or Pole dance like in the EXACT example I showed above, sexualizing it, and now giving Jimmy some strange ideas about girls his age....thats when the game gets banned from Jimmy and Jills Xbox, and they put them back on Fortnite. Thus, their goes that sweet sweet Mommy and Daddy money used in Arks Cash Jimmy and Jill would use for Outfits.

You can cry out all you want "But theirs women in their 40s that look like that!" and some other b.s. To any responsible North American parents....heh and I use the word "Responsible" loosely....sad as that is, those characters will always appear to be young underaged children in their eyes. No ifs ands or buts about it.

SEGAs round table of Business Suit monkies knows this. Same for Microsoft. Its Business 101. The number of Jimmy and Jills FAR outweight the minority of you who are bothered they cant make their character just 5 inches shorter. Thus, the Censorship was put in.

That boys and girls is why the Censorship, is here to stay.

Deal with it.

i can't say you are 100% wrong, due to not reading your entire post. but... that is just how certain i am that you started out being wrong. at the very least, relatively speaking.

prime example would be games like Scarlet Blade or Blade & Soul. for crying out loud... in Scarlet Blade you can make the loli characters topless and see their tits.

Granted, Aeria Games censored loli characters, but it was unnecessary to do so. there was NO legal requirement to do so. (maybe there was in one of the countries they hosted to, but not in the U.S.A.) the private server currently hosting Scarlet Blade has removed the censor on loli characters. the game is accessible in the U.S.A., without restriction.

and lemme tell you something else about Scarlet Blade... it was hosted in the NA region by Aeria Games. Aeria Games is very notorious for trying to keep things family friendly. probably why they neglected it so much. just a quick cash grab. they had already known they would shut it down. i am certain pretty much like 99% of the players had also known this.

some games over at Aeria have some somewhat questionable content. and they do host the somewhat questionable Shaiya.

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regardless... i haven't seen a single thing from this game that is required, by law, to be edited out/censored. that is, at least in the NA region. that is, at the very least, in the U.S.A.. as for other regions and countries go? i couldn't say and wouldn't know.

it is always possible there are some places where this stuff is illegal. but, again, i wouldn't know. and maybe SEGA wouldn't entirely know either. law is very complicated stuff.

need further proof? well, i don't fell like it but can tell you this much... i like adult and hentai games. plenty of them release to the NA region with plenty of questionable content.

the ONLY thing required here is is that there be a statement that all characters depicted are of the legal age of 18+. and even then, they don't have to be that vague. and can just say that all characters depicted in any sexually explicit/suggestive content are of the legal age of 18+.

18+ is a good stand point, because of the huge discrepancy from one state to the next and one country to the next. i don't know any place in the entire world that won't allow sex at 18+. ( there probably is, maybe due to tyranny or some religion or tribal law... or something. )

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FURTHERMORE! if you read enough through this very topic/thread, you will find plenty of proof of where you are wrong. at least, as far as the first few lines of your post goes. again, i didn't read your entire post.

you don't seem to really understand what you are talking about. at least, as far as the first few lines of your post goes. again, i didn't read your entire post.

Enjoy~!

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P.S. as far as people saying false advertisement goes... a cinematic/cut-scene does NOT constitute as content. this is very tricky, so try to keep up... if it is not playable, or the player has no ability to make decisions, then it is not content. restricting the height slider also does NOT constitute as removing content.

P.P.S. SEGA themselves has not done any sexualization. that is all on the players and their decision to do so.

P.P.P.S. i 100% want any and all forms of censorship removed. so, don't get the wrong idea here peeps.

@BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY I do have to disagree with the idea that a cutscene does not constitute as content. Story is content, and the cutscene is part of the story. When they made the All the Content promise, they stated:

Well, we intend to keep this promise while also making sure series veterans and newcomers alike get to experience the story unfolding with each new episode release as it was originally intended.

They stated this in their 2020 road map; so story is part of the content with how they described it in their statement.

I agree with most of your post; it is just that one tidbit I disagree with/am nitpicking.

@Archetype-Luna said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

@BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY I do have to disagree with the idea that a cutscene does not constitute as content. Story is content, and the cutscene is part of the story. When they made the All the Content promise, they stated:

Well, we intend to keep this promise while also making sure series veterans and newcomers alike get to experience the story unfolding with each new episode release as it was originally intended.

They stated this in their 2020 road map; so story is part of the content with how they described it in their statement.

i can get that, but... wouldn't this particular scene be considered more like a filler scene? it doesn't seem to be pivotable to the story in any way at all. i suppose this could be easily spun towards either direction.

i think this is very complicated, because... in the anime/tv show/movie world, scenes are considered content. but is a bit different for games. this has been argued in other games and other forums in the past.

a subject that is very controversial, to say the least.

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EDIT : i suppose the keywords there would be "as it was originally intended". you got me there... lmao facepalm but again... if it would be considered filler, then it wouldn't be "Story" content. back to being able to spin it in any direction.

i suppose the REAL question would be... is that particular scene a Main Quest or Sub-Quest? that would be the make-it-or-break-it answer there. one could argue that a Sub-Quest wouldn't constitute as being part of the "Story".

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P.P.S. i am totally going to sleep now. no lie.

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@BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY I would say even sub-quests are part of the story. They can be seen as side stories but they still are story and they offer additional details on the characters at the time. For example, in earlier episodes there was an entire side story/subplot on Oza and Marlu's relationship and Azanami accidentally turning it into a love triangle. They are still story content, even if they don't directly deal with the main plot.

lol Alex is back. How many accounts is this guy going to go through just to post the same silly law link? Still trying his hardest to troll.

@Guardian Great spam post and nice way to falsify the US laws.

I am pretty sure there's a penal punishment in the US for that.

I swear you guys need to actually get a proper education system going cause it seems like you guys are becoming more and more dumb as time goes on.

@BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY Regardless how you view the cutscenes or Sub-stories, they add lore and more information to the game's story.

You for example would not know anything about who azanami is, who Ozu is, who Marlu is without the substories.

Heck you would not understand Kohri's and hitsugi's relationship without those cutscenes, even teh bath ones as they give out more context.

The bath scene for example amplifies how Kohri loves Hitsugi an EXTREME amount, without Hitsugi at that specific time understanding it and thinking it was creepy (Which many people would without more context), it is later on explained why she did what she did and said what she said.

Small cutscenes like this are very important and bring a sense of tranguility in the lives of these characters.

Waaaa, SJW trolls have arrived, I'm scared!!! They don't even have an interest on this topic, they get paid for this.

lol, it's hilarious to see how those trolls always have "This post is deleted!", I wonder why. I'm a Steam users, and there the situation is even worst, there are useres like Element Seraph or Killiance who always attack users by insulting them or accusing them until they get their victory, and never get banned because Steam sucks.

You never get to discuss something because they want to cancel everything, the damned Cancel Culture. But companies are even worse, because they approve all of these BS...
That's why I've almost completely stopped playing videogames, it's too rare to find one without censorship and without toxic community.

@SonsyGalaxy4583 maybe you're exaggerating a bit, but I think I have to agree with you 😸 That cancel culture is a thing also on my country 🙅

Censorship must disappear, no matter what. We have to thank that we were not born in North Korea. We are a free people, there is freedom of expression, why do they want to deprive us of freedoms? Also Archetype Luna is right, this user explained the situation in detail on several occasions, I don't understand how they can oppose...

first and foremost, let me reaffirm my stance on this... i am 100% against the 'censoring', and totally want any restrictions that aren't present in the original game to be lifted/removed. and also want all of the scenes unblocked/re-implemented.

what that being said, i also understand where people are coming from on the characters thing. but adding more depth to the characters themselves, things like back-story, or how they connect to other characters in relationships, does not necessarily equate to something that is important to a story's plot. this is something that is typically done just for the viewers sake, more-or-less. viewers want story characters to feel more life-like, or to create a stronger connection to those characters. at one time, this is stuff that was overlooked by creators. but they realized just how short lived a series can be due to a lack of character profile. viewers quickly lose interest unless there is more substance to the characters. sometimes a good personality just isn't enough to make those certain moments cringe-worthy, or to add actual depth to world around those characters. again, i totally get where people are coming from on this.

i am not trying to shoot anyone down here, and am just providing a different point-of-view on this. it is a valid point... one that isn't necessarily incorrect, but also isn't necessarily right either... if that makes sense to anyone. lol :-x

@BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY I guess it is more of a question of whether or not you consider things that are not necessary important to be important to the main plot to be story content. My personal opinion is that they still constitute as story content as they can be described as side stories; the term "side story" still has the word story in it. That is the main distinction that you have to make when deciding if you consider if it's content or not.

For me, things like backstory, lore, etc. are all part of the story, even if they don't have anything to do with the main plot. It is part of the world building that adds to the story telling. So I guess that's why I would consider even the most minor of cutscenes to be story content.