The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2

@Archetype-Luna Interesting~ I will keep the ex-cube shop and the 15★ weapons in mind.

By chance, would you happen to know when the weapon exchange comes into play?

@SparkyDaPikachu said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

As for money to pay for the servers tho.... Ironically, the spam bots are actually benefitting Sega financially, as much as I hate to say it.

I was thinking of "the MATCH List. This is a global, credit card processing blacklist curated by MasterCard that all banks use to determine your processing eligibility. Some offshore banks will service customers on the MATCH List for all codes except one, '10: Violation of Standards'. If MasterCard puts your business on the list, you loose all paymant processing, and MasterCard does not need to go through any legal proceedings to do so. Not even the spam bots can give you money then.

@SparkyDaPikachu For 15* weapons, episode 5. Austere weapons are the first ones I believe, you need +35 Nemesis, Slave, Ares, and Invade weapons. The last two are not in the game yet.

@Archetype-Luna Awesome! This should be a big help to me in the long run. Many thanks~

@zubkoa said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

@SparkyDaPikachu said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

As for money to pay for the servers tho.... Ironically, the spam bots are actually benefitting Sega financially, as much as I hate to say it.

I was thinking of "the MATCH List. This is a global, credit card processing blacklist curated by MasterCard that all banks use to determine your processing eligibility. Some offshore banks will service customers on the MATCH List for all codes except one, '10: Violation of Standards'. If MasterCard puts your business on the list, you loose all paymant processing, and MasterCard does not need to go through any legal proceedings to do so. Not even the spam bots can give you money then.

In order for them to do this and put PSO2 Global on that blacklist they would have to put Microsoft and Steam on that list (since all transactions go through them), which is never going to happen.

@Yin This is not my field of expertiese, but I believe Steam and Microsoft would de-platform SEGa if threatened by MasterCard or the MATCH list would prevent Steam and Microsoft from paying SEGA.

I do believe that the posibilty thereof provides a substantial cooling effect on its own. Content could be perfectly legal but get deffunded without legal recourse. A scary prospect if you are already concerned about public perception.

@zubkoa said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

Societal ignorace of the letter of the law can bring controversy that SEGA does not want to be associated with. As such, being clearly lawful instead of technically lawful does discorage lettigious attention, so I cannot blame SEGA for playing it safe. I can object to playing it too safe to the detriment of the product. Distribution networks may also have input and it could vary between publishers.

Legally speaking, the lack of procecution of other games is not precident and offers no gaurantee against future legal action. However, a much bigger worry is payment processors. The burden of proof to get blocked there is nowhere near criminal procecution levels and no money means no game.

As for cutting suggestive clothing, that would mean loosing even more content. However, perhapse it could be a seperate DLC, even rated AO. No DLC and all provacativve characters get defaul unifirms. Want to make or see risque characters, get the (potentially out of band) DLC.

I would understand the desire to keep things Mature for more profit, but most users here on this forum waited eight years for so much as a chance to play PSO2.

I'm fairly certain an AO rating would make things easier to port over from JP without the concern for Global censorship, but I honestly can't see SEGA being brave enough to do that. The costs would just be too high.

@zubkoa said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

@Yin This is not my field of expertiese, but I believe Steam and Microsoft would de-platform SEGa if threatened by MasterCard or the MATCH list would prevent Steam and Microsoft from paying SEGA.

I do believe that the posibilty thereof provides a substantial cooling effect on its own. Content could be perfectly legal but get deffunded without legal recourse. A scary prospect if you are already concerned about public perception.

I'd laugh if SEGA were to be put in the hot seat like EA.

There's still Nintendo that might be willing to host PSO2 globally in such an occasion, if only in exchange for more of that lucrative Sonic rights.

@zubkoa Considering how much money the game makes, I doubt this would ever happen. PSO2 is quite profitable and credit card companies get a small cut when cards are used.

Also, I doubt PSO2 would need an AO rating if uncensored. If Senran Kagura can still get an M rating, PSO2 definitely can.

@MasterDarkwingz said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

I'm fairly certain an AO rating would make things easier to port over from JP without the concern for Global censorship, but I honestly can't see SEGA being brave enough to do that. The costs would just be too high.

I was thinking keep PSO2 T or M and release an AO or unrated PSO2: All the Uncut Content as a seperated and compatible client or mod like some Steam content does to deal with "school" restrictions.

@zubkoa

We're talking about Microsoft, the second highest valued company in the world. They aren't going to be threatened by anyone considering the amount of money one is risking with that threat. As for Steam, its also a multi-billion dollar company, you don't risk threatening companies like that over legal content.

Furthermore, considering that both Microsoft and Steam sell much more objectively risque games than an uncensored PSO2, the only way they would de-platform Sega is if there was a massive paradigm shift at both companies.

As for preventing them from paying Sega, transactions between Microsoft/Steam and Sega don't go through MasterCard.

@Archetype-Luna Likely no, but when has a fear responce ever been rational? If SEGA is affraid of reprocation, I cannot in god faith blame them, even if they get overprotective. And I would rather they be upfront about it, "we are conserned with how some content could be entepreted and will not be releasing to avoid controversy." We can talk about that, but not the silence we do get. Perhapse a pen and paper letter writting campaing to be more persuasive (it works better on congress critters already)

As for what the cut content would be rated, I am going with AO to appease the moral police and dismiss "think of the children" with "absolutly not for children."

@Yin said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

As for preventing them from paying Sega, transactions between Microsoft/Steam and Sega don't go through MasterCard.

It is a doomsday senario in either case, so I doubt it warrents much further discussion. My understanding of the MATCH list is the it is maintained by MasterCard but used by everyone so it would prevent the platforms bank from paying the publisher or the offending publisher from having an accout with a bank in the first place. And I honestly hope I am wrong on this.

@zubkoa said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

@Yin said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

As for preventing them from paying Sega, transactions between Microsoft/Steam and Sega don't go through MasterCard.

It is a doomsday senario in either case, so I doubt it warrents much further discussion. My understanding of the MATCH list is the it is maintained by MasterCard but used by everyone so it would prevent the platforms bank from paying the publisher or the offending publisher from having an accout with a bank in the first place. And I honestly hope I am wrong on this.

Yeah, that sounds like a monopolistic bribery tactic.

Probably just a doomsday prediction without an actual chance, considering how money literally runs the bank's show.

@zubkoa said in The censorship on being short should be removed. Round 2:

As for what the cut content would be rated, I am going with AO to appease the moral police and dismiss "think of the children" with "absolutly not for children."

An M rating is already enough for "absolutely not for children"

Read a bunch of things here. While interesting, I still keep my own views. But here are a few things that I believe may need some clean up about the issue. First, we don't need to make the game AO just to add scenes of naked kid looking characters that anyway show absolutely none of their bits (talking about those cutscene that in some places may be just called artistic nudity anyway). I wouldn't be surprised if I learn before I die that Hollywood has gotten away with showing more "sexualized" actual real life minors in it's movie history than what Sega will ever show their pixel fictional counterparts on it's lifetime.

On legal grounds, apparently not even the infamous chair dance can be considered actual porn, and a string bikini is shockingly still denominated "clothing" even if it's not to any sane standards. Game would already be AO if they were. Which blows away the theory that a JP short character wearing such bikini and doing such a "dance" is considered CP. No sexual acts, no sex laws apply.

Which leaves us with the motive I strongly believe is the reason for all this. Western morals. Just this. Sega may have simply seen that westerners have a slightly different set of morals and wanted to prevent offending these peoples, at the detriment of those who got offended when the new height restriction excluded their real life personas, and offending those who wanted to slap a bunch of accessory pieces to make a "car" avatar, and offending those who wanted simply a short non sexualized dude. Morals trumped all that, and it's why the censor remains to this day.

Because as much as the prospect of a shortest character wearing lewd clothing and doing a lewd emote may not be considered illegal, it's still quite a bothering sight to see over these shores. Enough that even some of those who want to remove the censors will most likely be bothered by it if they see it in a lobby. And that's how our western morals work. So I will continue believing this and will continue saying it like a broken record. Don't blame ratings nor laws for this censor. It's all morals, and I believe Sega pre-emtively, just like Enmasse did years ago with the Elin, censored stuff to prevent an outrage they didn't know if it would have materialized or not, meanwhile creating another outrage on the opposite side that has bombarded these forums since their inception into the Internet.

Anyway. This is more an analysis than an opinion and it's not aimed at anyone nor it's meant to petition anything. I'm still on the camp that does not like any sexualization but I still want my short dude. And now with the techno leezard outfit, it would be a much funnier sight to make. And I'm missing it because I don't have enough 'shortability' for it.