Potential Reason for the Game's Censorship

@ApollosAmour The censorship of the removed scene isn't likely done to appease ratings boards as the files for them are in the game's files. That's how someone was able to acquire the dubbed voice lines for it. Remember GTA San Andreas and its Hot Coffee Mod; the reason for its reclassification was because the sex scenes unlocked by the Hot Coffee Mod was in the actual game's files, just inaccessible through normal gameplay. However being within the game's files is enough to constitute it as being part of the game's content as far as the rating boards were concerned, which cased it to be reclassified across the world.

As for a global audience, I feel like if it was done for that, it would be more out of paranoia. Considering what we see in the lobbies, I don't think many would bat an eye at the removed cutscene.

Sony is a valid possibility and the one that would cause the censorship to most likely to stick.

@Archetype-Luna. Stop trying to advocate for an issue that is dead just leave it. Please for the love of god drop the subject a together

Oh another point I would like to bring up as it is often forgotten. US Law is definitely not an issue due to Ashcroft vs Free Speech Coalition, a Supreme Court case, setting a precedent on what the Child Pornography Prevention Act is applicable to.

The Act does not cover drawings, cartoons, sculptures, and paintings that depict youthful-looking persons in sexual poses; it supplies an affirmative defense to persons who disseminate visual depictions involving adults who may appear to be children, provided that the depictions are not promoted or presented as child pornography, 18 U.S.C. 2252A(c) (Supp. V 1999); and the Act does not apply to visual materials in which sexually explicit conduct by children is understood to be taking place, as long as the sexually explicit conduct is not itself visually depicted.

Of course this does not mean there could not be laws of other countries that apply. However, considering how many of the countries the global servers provide service to also have games like Senran Kagura, this may not necessary be the case either.

I definitely do believe it is more likely that it is a case of Sega not wanting to take chances or Sony having an involvement, rather than rating boards or legal issues.

@Archetype-Luna said in Potential Reason for the Game's Censorship:

Oh another point I would like to bring up as it is often forgotten. US Law is definitely not an issue due to Ashcroft vs Free Speech Coalition, a Supreme Court case, setting a precedent on what the Child Pornography Prevention Act is applicable to.

The Act does not cover drawings, cartoons, sculptures, and paintings that depict youthful-looking persons in sexual poses; it supplies an affirmative defense to persons who disseminate visual depictions involving adults who may appear to be children, provided that the depictions are not promoted or presented as child pornography, 18 U.S.C. 2252A(c) (Supp. V 1999); and the Act does not apply to visual materials in which sexually explicit conduct by children is understood to be taking place, as long as the sexually explicit conduct is not itself visually depicted.

Of course this does not mean there could not be laws of other countries that apply. However, considering how many of the countries the global servers provide service to also have games like Senran Kagura, this may not necessary be the case either.

I definitely do believe it is more likely that it is a case of Sega not wanting to take chances or Sony having an involvement, rather than rating boards or legal issues.

Stop trying to incite a discussion its pointless ... Sohee ... sirius please Shit the threads down

@PhantasyStar719 The thread was still on the first page when I responded so discussion was still going on, especially when there was a post prior to me only minutes before. As long as discussion is civil, there shouldn't be any reason for the thread to be shut down.

So I have to respectfully disagree with shutting the thread down.

@PhantasyStar719 said in Potential Reason for the Game's Censorship:

@Archetype-Luna said in Potential Reason for the Game's Censorship:

Oh another point I would like to bring up as it is often forgotten. US Law is definitely not an issue due to Ashcroft vs Free Speech Coalition, a Supreme Court case, setting a precedent on what the Child Pornography Prevention Act is applicable to.

The Act does not cover drawings, cartoons, sculptures, and paintings that depict youthful-looking persons in sexual poses; it supplies an affirmative defense to persons who disseminate visual depictions involving adults who may appear to be children, provided that the depictions are not promoted or presented as child pornography, 18 U.S.C. 2252A(c) (Supp. V 1999); and the Act does not apply to visual materials in which sexually explicit conduct by children is understood to be taking place, as long as the sexually explicit conduct is not itself visually depicted.

Of course this does not mean there could not be laws of other countries that apply. However, considering how many of the countries the global servers provide service to also have games like Senran Kagura, this may not necessary be the case either.

I definitely do believe it is more likely that it is a case of Sega not wanting to take chances or Sony having an involvement, rather than rating boards or legal issues.

Stop trying to incite a discussion its pointless ... Sohee ... sirius please Shit the threads down

Jesus christ if you don't want anything to do with the discussion leave the thread.

Hate people who just walk into a discussion being anti discussion.

@Albus-Rabbit Let's not let it get too heated. We have to remain civil about this. The subject will persist as long as there is a desire to discuss about it and said discussion remains civil. It's incredibly easy to get heated and let things snowball out of control; that's why the previous threads were closed. We have to remain calm in these threads.

@Archetype-Luna said in Potential Reason for the Game's Censorship:

@Albus-Rabbit Let's not let it get too heated. We have to remain civil about this.

And you need to stop trying to twist what I say as being aggressive its more of weariness this is like the third time you've done that with me.

@Albus-Rabbit you attempts at rebuttal are laughable.. Keep playing with fire kiddo.. I can careless about your tactless attempts at trying to justify that virtual pedophilia or other fetishes are ok... This game needs to keep its censorship so we can play in peace.. If its truly global... Then how about the world says together they dont support the exploitation of children in any fashion ... Virtual or otherwise

@PhantasyStar719 said in Potential Reason for the Game's Censorship:

@Albus-Rabbit you attempts at rebuttal are laughable.. Keep playing with fire kiddo.. I can careless about your tactless attempts at trying to justify that virtual pedophilia or other fetishes are ok... This gane needs to keep its censorship so we can play in peace.. If its truly global... Then how about the world says together they dont support the exploitation of children in any fashion ... Virtual or otherwise

Uhh okay this is kind of the aggressiveness which Luna be trying to not let happen, I ain't siding with anything here bud I am just saying being anti-discussion is bad?

@Albus-Rabbit I apologize if I seem that way. That is not my intent. It's just that we had two threads closed due to perceived aggressiveness. I don't want to have a third.

So let's calm down and have a civil discussion that remains on topic.

@Archetype-Luna That's fair enough, but yeah I think we should still be allowed to speculate on why there is censorship since we never got (and probably never will get) official word on why they made certain choices.

@Albus-Rabbit For the issue of why we don't get official word, it is somewhat standard practice for Sega. They are also quite busy with NGS. We may get more communication when we reach parity or when NGS is released as NGS is being released simultaneously world wide. If we are kept on patch parity with JP, and especially if we get a unified service, then things like PSO2 station would begin becoming applicable to us.

We definitely should continue pushing for more communication. As much as I appreciate the global support team, there is no substitute for direct communication with developers. FFXIV has shown how far direct communication can go, their live letters from the producer are a huge success and a great factor on the global success of FFXIV, especially after the disastrous launch of 1.0.

@Archetype-Luna said in Potential Reason for the Game's Censorship:

@Albus-Rabbit For the issue of why we don't get official word, it is somewhat standard practice for Sega. They are also quite busy with NGS. We may get more communication when we reach parity or when NGS is released as NGS is being released simultaneously world wide. If we are kept on patch parity with JP, and especially if we get a unified service, then things like PSO2 station would begin becoming applicable to us.

We definitely should continue pushing for more communication. As much as I appreciate the global support team, there is no substitute for direct communication with developers. FFXIV has shown how far direct communication can go, their live letters from the producer are a huge success and a great factor on the global success of FFXIV, especially after the disastrous launch of 1.0.

Wouldn't be surprised if at some point PSO2 STATION is hosted on the Global channel and subbed for everyone to understand since SEGA has confirmed in Japan that all NGS info will be released to the World at the same time as Japan.

@YagyuChan That would be great; other game companies have been doing something similar as well. I know Capcom has been doing their developer diaries, having them translated into English. There is just so much to be gained from global communication. The original PSO even had a system where it help bridge language barriers with its phrase system. It somewhat feels like going back to form if they do a global version of PSO2 Station.

I do fear if there are censorship differences that they may get in the way. I know if the height restrictions are kept, JP players in NGS would be able to have both shorter and taller characters than global players. I have also seen some fear from the JP players about their version being censored to bring it in line with the global version.