Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?

@RainGnyu A rare occurrence where I agree with you. Free to play games have to make a returns to keep the servers live, and people don't get that. Or don't want to get that. People were complaining before the last patch about limited SG, and an inability to earn it the way Japanese players were able to, and I told them, that it would probably come around episode 4. I asked them to be patient. Sure enough Casino SG went live, along with the weekly PvP SG earnable option. Its drip fed content, meaning that the game isn't going to make much sense for a while. Same thing happened to Black Desert Online when it launched on consoles. Only it's weapon crafting system was affected, instead of the cosmetic items. It made the game unbearable to play for a long while.

@RainGnyu said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

This game isn’t subscription base. So why is monetization a surprise? If it was subscription based people are going to complain about the subscription monthly cost and want free to play platform. Where is the line of fairness.

It is not that monetization is a surprise, it is that the monetization is much more aggressive and predatory when their current strategy on JP has been running fine for years. No one is saying that they can't monetize, but that doesn't give them grounds to prioritize it over other features. There are no market differences between NA and JP that would explain why NA is so much more aggressively monetized. If anything, their aggressive monetization is pushing people away from spending. If they didn't release the SG Scratch in such a manner, I probably would have whaled on it, but because it did, I am outright refusing to purchase any SG.

@Anarchy-Marine Also sure we eventually got the Casino SG and weekly PvP SG, however, that doesn't excuse how they released the SG Scratch well ahead of its time without those things; remember that the SG Scratch originally came out mid episode 4 in JP. So while we got the SG Scratch early, we had crafting pushed back all the way from EP2 to EP4. The backlash was very much justified due to how aggressive the monetization was at the time. The SG scratch should have never been released before the weekly SG.

@Archetype-Luna said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@RainGnyu said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

This game isn’t subscription base. So why is monetization a surprise? If it was subscription based people are going to complain about the subscription monthly cost and want free to play platform. Where is the line of fairness.

It is not that monetization is a surprise, it is that the monetization is much more aggressive and predatory when their current strategy on JP has been running fine for years. No one is saying that they can't monetize, but that doesn't give them grounds to prioritize it over other features. There are no market differences between NA and JP that would explain why NA is so much more aggressively monetized. If anything, their aggressive monetization is pushing people away from spending. If they didn't release the SG Scratch in such a manner, I probably would have whaled on it, but because it did, I am outright refusing to purchase any SG.

@Anarchy-Marine Also sure we eventually got the Casino SG and weekly PvP SG, however, that doesn't excuse how they released the SG Scratch well ahead of its time without those things; remember that the SG Scratch originally came out mid episode 4 in JP. So while we got the SG Scratch early, we had crafting pushed back all the way from EP2 to EP4. The backlash was very much justified due to how aggressive the monetization was at the time. The SG scratch should have never been released before the weekly SG.

I kind of feel if they had released those options when they released the SG you would have still been shouting.

More of the lines that it is old content because JP had it first. Right or wrong! Be careful when you answer this question!

@RainGnyu said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Archetype-Luna said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@RainGnyu said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

This game isn’t subscription base. So why is monetization a surprise? If it was subscription based people are going to complain about the subscription monthly cost and want free to play platform. Where is the line of fairness.

It is not that monetization is a surprise, it is that the monetization is much more aggressive and predatory when their current strategy on JP has been running fine for years. No one is saying that they can't monetize, but that doesn't give them grounds to prioritize it over other features. There are no market differences between NA and JP that would explain why NA is so much more aggressively monetized. If anything, their aggressive monetization is pushing people away from spending. If they didn't release the SG Scratch in such a manner, I probably would have whaled on it, but because it did, I am outright refusing to purchase any SG.

@Anarchy-Marine Also sure we eventually got the Casino SG and weekly PvP SG, however, that doesn't excuse how they released the SG Scratch well ahead of its time without those things; remember that the SG Scratch originally came out mid episode 4 in JP. So while we got the SG Scratch early, we had crafting pushed back all the way from EP2 to EP4. The backlash was very much justified due to how aggressive the monetization was at the time. The SG scratch should have never been released before the weekly SG.

I kind of feel if they had released those options when they released the SG you would have still been shouting.

I find that statement to be incredibly insulting and slanderous. If the SG Scratch was properly released I would have whaled on it; after all, I whale in other gacha games.

More of the lines that it is old content because JP had it first. Right or wrong! Be careful when you answer this question!

What question? I don't see a question in here. What JP proves is that you can have a non-predatory monetization strategy and still make absurd amounts of money. PSO2JP has been Sega's big money maker for years with its current monetization. Furthermore, when they pushed it with SG's original release in JP, there was a backlash. They should have plenty of experience with monetization and should know better than to release the SG Scratch in the state SG was in NA at the time.

The fact that they immediately respond when the fresh find shop items are suddenly tradable, but not when enemies in SH have more HP than XH or when a Poster bug prevented people from accessing their Private Quarters does not help Sega in anyway. The latter two bugs should be of a much higher priority and the solutions for them are pretty simple; the first just needed SH to be set back to level 70 and the poster bug was simply a missing file. Yet those bugs persisted while the Fresh Find tradable items are addressed immediately. The priority feels like it is the opposite of what it should be.

@Archetype-Luna I overall agree with you, but even JP is and always has been extremely predatory on monetization. Overall it was SG that reduced it finally. But through episode 2-3 and maybe early ep 4 some of the things that I can think of would be (in no particular order):

  • Premium
  • Extended storages
  • Character Slots (not permanent then or now if you delete a character)
  • Salon cost 500 AC before SG was added
  • AC Scratch
  • Liliparum
  • Client Order extension
  • PSO2es monetization as well
  • Scape Dolls (back when content was actually much harder)
  • Mag tickets
  • Inventory/Storage Expansions per character
  • Crafting lines per character
  • Skill Trees

One thing PSO2 has always been from the very beginning was an egregiously predatory game for those willing to open their wallets. They completely capitalized on the mobile gaming model. I'll give full credit to them for at least making SG accessible and viable for all though.

@Pulptenks said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Novaline said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

Also, since you people clearly have a white-knight boner going on here, maybe take the pole out of your ass and realize that criticism exists. Most people are surprised and upset that unit skill addition is not here yet, I'm just one of the vocal ones. It's not the biggest issue NA has, cough, compressed SG scratch with less time than usual, cough, but it's a pretty questionable choice.

Or you could stop crying already since it's all you ever did anyways in first place. Go back to your JP and quit being a Karen. Nothing is right to you anyways, you're living proof the JP players are the toxic problem that keep persisting on NA servers.

Muh crafting, muh other episodes shit, muh jp items, muh PAs, muh ego, nothing good out of you. Most people don't care about the things you care, this game is definition of casual. There's awesome people who like to help each other unlike you who just belittle everything and everyone. SMH.

So quit already since it's what you keep saying over and over across multiple threads.

Aren't you too busy causing shit to other Discords servers and teams by being a general asshole? Your comment is irrelevant, the game caters to casuals... Like that isn't obvious, but not all casuals are braindead erping idiots like you, so bye sister. πŸ’…

@EvanOfRoses good points. It's how Japanese band corean see NA. as extra $.

@TsundereMuse Yes they started rather predatory, but as you said, they reduced it. It took a backlash from the community when SG came out, but they reduced it. I would say the current model in JP is rather fair with how you can farm a decent amount of weekly SG through side content which handles a lot of the issues it had.

@EvanOfRoses your funny. Its new to NA. So what jp had it years ago.

@RainGnyu I just wanna say that I see you post around a lot and you always say reasonable things I agree with. Keep up the good work lol

@Novaline said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Pulptenks said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Novaline said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

Also, since you people clearly have a white-knight boner going on here, maybe take the pole out of your ass and realize that criticism exists. Most people are surprised and upset that unit skill addition is not here yet, I'm just one of the vocal ones. It's not the biggest issue NA has, cough, compressed SG scratch with less time than usual, cough, but it's a pretty questionable choice.

Or you could stop crying already since it's all you ever did anyways in first place. Go back to your JP and quit being a Karen. Nothing is right to you anyways, you're living proof the JP players are the toxic problem that keep persisting on NA servers.

Muh crafting, muh other episodes shit, muh jp items, muh PAs, muh ego, nothing good out of you. Most people don't care about the things you care, this game is definition of casual. There's awesome people who like to help each other unlike you who just belittle everything and everyone. SMH.

So quit already since it's what you keep saying over and over across multiple threads.

Aren't you too busy causing shit to other Discords servers and teams by being a general asshole? Your comment is irrelevant, the game caters to casuals... Like that isn't obvious, but not all casuals are braindead erping idiots like you, so bye sister. πŸ’…

You're irrelevant to the game and so are your comments. Only one who ever had trouble with was you, because you're such a Karen. Proven point even more with your nail emote, haha.

Not even sure why you call me a erping idiot I never did any roleplay. Whatever, imbeciles are on the loose everywhere looks like.

@Pulptenks said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Novaline said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Pulptenks said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Novaline said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

Also, since you people clearly have a white-knight boner going on here, maybe take the pole out of your ass and realize that criticism exists. Most people are surprised and upset that unit skill addition is not here yet, I'm just one of the vocal ones. It's not the biggest issue NA has, cough, compressed SG scratch with less time than usual, cough, but it's a pretty questionable choice.

Or you could stop crying already since it's all you ever did anyways in first place. Go back to your JP and quit being a Karen. Nothing is right to you anyways, you're living proof the JP players are the toxic problem that keep persisting on NA servers.

Muh crafting, muh other episodes shit, muh jp items, muh PAs, muh ego, nothing good out of you. Most people don't care about the things you care, this game is definition of casual. There's awesome people who like to help each other unlike you who just belittle everything and everyone. SMH.

So quit already since it's what you keep saying over and over across multiple threads.

Aren't you too busy causing shit to other Discords servers and teams by being a general asshole? Your comment is irrelevant, the game caters to casuals... Like that isn't obvious, but not all casuals are braindead erping idiots like you, so bye sister. πŸ’…

You're irrelevant to the game and so are your comments. Only one who ever had trouble with was you, because you're such a Karen. Proven point even more with your nail emote, haha.

Not even sure why you call me a erping idiot I never did any roleplay. Whatever, imbeciles are on the loose everywhere looks like.

To be fair, I have similar issues with how NA/Global is currently managed and their priority in terms of bug fixes, pushed features, etc.

@Archetype-Luna said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Pulptenks said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Novaline said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Pulptenks said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Novaline said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

Also, since you people clearly have a white-knight boner going on here, maybe take the pole out of your ass and realize that criticism exists. Most people are surprised and upset that unit skill addition is not here yet, I'm just one of the vocal ones. It's not the biggest issue NA has, cough, compressed SG scratch with less time than usual, cough, but it's a pretty questionable choice.

Or you could stop crying already since it's all you ever did anyways in first place. Go back to your JP and quit being a Karen. Nothing is right to you anyways, you're living proof the JP players are the toxic problem that keep persisting on NA servers.

Muh crafting, muh other episodes shit, muh jp items, muh PAs, muh ego, nothing good out of you. Most people don't care about the things you care, this game is definition of casual. There's awesome people who like to help each other unlike you who just belittle everything and everyone. SMH.

So quit already since it's what you keep saying over and over across multiple threads.

Aren't you too busy causing shit to other Discords servers and teams by being a general asshole? Your comment is irrelevant, the game caters to casuals... Like that isn't obvious, but not all casuals are braindead erping idiots like you, so bye sister. πŸ’…

You're irrelevant to the game and so are your comments. Only one who ever had trouble with was you, because you're such a Karen. Proven point even more with your nail emote, haha.

Not even sure why you call me a erping idiot I never did any roleplay. Whatever, imbeciles are on the loose everywhere looks like.

To be fair, I have similar issues with how NA/Global is currently managed and their priority in terms of bug fixes, pushed features, etc.

The game is an issue in itself let you tell it.

Always shouting dissatisfaction........do you even play the game (NA version)?

@RainGnyu said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Archetype-Luna said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Pulptenks said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Novaline said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Pulptenks said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

@Novaline said in Tradable overpriced SG cosmetics is a higher priority than months of gutted content?:

Also, since you people clearly have a white-knight boner going on here, maybe take the pole out of your ass and realize that criticism exists. Most people are surprised and upset that unit skill addition is not here yet, I'm just one of the vocal ones. It's not the biggest issue NA has, cough, compressed SG scratch with less time than usual, cough, but it's a pretty questionable choice.

Or you could stop crying already since it's all you ever did anyways in first place. Go back to your JP and quit being a Karen. Nothing is right to you anyways, you're living proof the JP players are the toxic problem that keep persisting on NA servers.

Muh crafting, muh other episodes shit, muh jp items, muh PAs, muh ego, nothing good out of you. Most people don't care about the things you care, this game is definition of casual. There's awesome people who like to help each other unlike you who just belittle everything and everyone. SMH.

So quit already since it's what you keep saying over and over across multiple threads.

Aren't you too busy causing shit to other Discords servers and teams by being a general asshole? Your comment is irrelevant, the game caters to casuals... Like that isn't obvious, but not all casuals are braindead erping idiots like you, so bye sister. πŸ’…

You're irrelevant to the game and so are your comments. Only one who ever had trouble with was you, because you're such a Karen. Proven point even more with your nail emote, haha.

Not even sure why you call me a erping idiot I never did any roleplay. Whatever, imbeciles are on the loose everywhere looks like.

To be fair, I have similar issues with how NA/Global is currently managed and their priority in terms of bug fixes, pushed features, etc.

The game is an issue in itself let you tell it.

Always shouting dissatisfaction........do you even play the game (NA version)?

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I started during PC release and have clocked in almost 900 hours since then. So yes, I do play this game.

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