So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.

@Archetype-Luna

you are right - if you are not playing the game you cannot earn enough meseta to buy outfits for SG i am currently not even playing actively - i make about 100m meseta per week by logging in occasionally - about 1 hour per day to change outfits - use mats for daily quests that are connected to weeklies - buying stuff off the players shop - affixing something that i bought cheap to resell said item for a 20m benefit - im even lazy to do UQ already but sometimes i join ultimates for 30 mins and see how far my luck goes...before that i have played the daily black knyak for rays...been upslotting them to 6 augs and reselling for 6m meseta each (made about 150m with those already) sold 3 7 slot rays for 30m for about 90m meseta...all of that basically took no effort in doing just a lil luck from upslotting...used alot of the free 30% augs and 40% augs from event... still got 40 of the 30% left...i deleted and created characters on my f2p acc and been farming the event for 1 week - selling the mag devices and using the 40% augs for upslotting....wich net me alot of meseta....just to point some ways on how to get meseta using events for example to your benefit you can also create more f2p accounts and lv characters to lv 50 and do weeklies on there as well to get more meseta...people are doing this especially f2p player....some f2p make 50m+ by doing weeklies on 4-5 accounts...its a common known strategy

@JuggernautGTX Your methods require use of the personal shop which I already stated can be difficult for people to get access to unless they can spend tens of thousands of fun on the fun scratch, which someone with a busy schedule is unlikely able to do. You have to consider this on the basis of someone who can maybe play a couple hours a day with no access to the shop.

The people who have the time to setup manage multiple accounts are far from the norm and should not be used as an example.

@Archetype-Luna said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh

The people who have the time to setup manage multiple accounts are far from the norm and should not be used as an example.

really? ... oh god ... well heres the bad news for you - getting your "much wanted extra sg" takes time too! even more time than changeing outfits on characters for additional SG! so yes if you want SG you have to log into the game and spend some time! holy cow xD

@JuggernautGTX said in So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.:

@Archetype-Luna said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh

The people who have the time to setup manage multiple accounts are far from the norm and should not be used as an example.

really? ... oh god ... well heres the news for you - getting your "much wanted extra sg" takes time too! even more time than changeing outfits on characters for additional SG! so yes if you want SG you have to log into the game and spend some time! holy cow xD

It's more than just changing outfits on characters. It's your entire meseta making process is unlikely capable of being doing by someone who is working a full time job and has additional responsibilities. It is not like they aren't logging in and playing, but they can't no dedicate their time to it and manage things like multiple accounts and collect the amount of fun needed on each account to properly get a shop pass to transfer the meseta over to their main account to buy outfits with.

For starters, someone should not even be required to make multiple accounts and switch between them in order to make money. That is dedication beyond a standard casual player.

I don't know about you, but someone logging in to be able to do their weeklies each week and have some additional time to play around in some side content is considered playing the game.

No one should have to make multiple accounts to be able to keep up with SG. Not to mention selling items and transferring them to the main account requires the shop pass, which can take a long time to get if you aren't lucky with the fun scratch. You have to do it per account as well.

@Archetype-Luna if you want to earn something i nthe game you have to PLAY IT

if you want to earn more to get what you want - you have to PLAY MORE

if you just login to play it 30 minutes once a week - well ya you wont earn as much meseta as sombedy who plays it 2 hours a day - bummer

@JuggernautGTX What you described is definitely not reasonably possible on a 2 hours a day basis by the sheer start up time alone of setting up multiple accounts to run through all of those weeklies. You don't have to go anywhere near that level to manage it on JP; it should be no different in NA. There is no way that is healthy for the game. I am not describing people who play 30 minutes a week, I am describing someone who may have an hour or two a day, with maybe a bit more time on the weekends.

Also again, multiple accounts would require the shop pass. Something that people aren't always so lucky to have.

SG should be obtainable via side content on a weekly basis. We should be getting 40 SG a week from the Casino and then another hundred from Challenge mode right now. You can easily gather a couple hundred SG on the JP servers a week from playing casually, that is how it should be. Playing it even more can get you around 3-400 SG a week, maybe more if the stars align. Outfits aren't even included in this number.

This issue has to be considered from the viewpoint of a casual player. SG isn't supposed to be some hardcore currency; it's based off gacha game mechanics which, while having their hardcore fans, have a majority population of casual players. Casual players should be considered the norm and the norm is the perspective we should use when looking at this issue.

@Archetype-Luna said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh >

SG should be obtainable via side content on a weekly basis. We should be getting 40 SG a week from the Casino and then another hundred from Challenge mode right now. You can easily gather a couple hundred SG on the JP servers a week from playing casually, that is how it should be. Playing it even more can get you around 3-400 SG a week, maybe more if the stars align. Outfits aren't even included in this number.

lets use your own arguement here..."all that doesn count for people who have no time to do that" - ops now your own arguement worked against this statement lol

and to note: im not against this being implemented i am simply here to tell you that getting additional SG from outfits its not as hard even for people who dont play 8 hours a day - thats all there is

@Archetype-Luna It is the staunch defense of the current monetization which makes me skeptical of any change in NA's monetization style. 1/3 of time for SG scratch that combined 2 different SG scratches - but people are ok with it. The fresh find shop that contains mostly JP AC and FUN scratch items - people are ok with it and even offer to buy more to account bound. Meseta is seriously not hard to make with player shop - but if you don't want to pay for premium it becomes a chore to farm daily client orders everyday.

Maybe with the announcement of NG and comestics most likely to be carried over, people will spend on AC scratch again to lower the price. Last I checked on Ship 2 (around start of SG scratch) for Female outfit/outerwear the price was around 600k-700k for the cheapest, I don't know what the price is now.

@Juggernaut
I'm making tons of money by abusing account creation and flipping items therefore all is fine is not exactly a good argument to say the economy is balanced.
Doing all the good daily quests on 3 character is already an huge time sink even if you stack them up and you think all the other f2p are doing the same on multiple accounts? ? ?
According to my experience you get between 8-12M by doing the good quests on 3 pg and it's a considerable time sink.
With last week prices you needed 6-8M to get enough outfits for a week of SG (assuming you have only male chars), this week the lowest outfits start at 350k on ship1 and even if you bite the bullet and stockpile on those it's not guaranteed that the next f2p who logins after you bought your share will find enough outfits in this price range.
There aren't enough AC scratchers to sustain all the f2p currently playing.

If you think the average player is going to repeatedly bash his head against the wall this way for weeks you're greatly mistaken lol.
More and more people are quitting by the day, turned off by the insane grind and the greediness of sega.

@Efreet2695 said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds

Doing all the good daily quests on 3 character is already an huge time sink even if you stack them up and you think all the other f2p are doing the same on multiple accounts? ? ?

dont do daily quests for meseta - weekly quests provide you with alot of money for low effort - one to mention "upgrade an armor once" - not a big time sink is it? or "earn 250k meseta through quests" - turn in quests in the cafe - takes yo ua couple hours to prepare those via gathering for a whole month....but thats a "one time in a month" kinda thing otherwise you just go to the cafe turn them in and grab 1.5m meseta...not a big time sink either...the 3rd one can be as i mentioned a lil bit tricky...by doing 10 daily orders - wich takes in fact the longest...or to run advance quest - run extreme quest etc....you are free to ignore them tho if you got no fun in killing stuff...but weeklies provide you with alot of money for almost no effort -avoid dailys if you got no time for that

@JuggernautGTX said in So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.:

@Archetype-Luna said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh >

SG should be obtainable via side content on a weekly basis. We should be getting 40 SG a week from the Casino and then another hundred from Challenge mode right now. You can easily gather a couple hundred SG on the JP servers a week from playing casually, that is how it should be. Playing it even more can get you around 3-400 SG a week, maybe more if the stars align. Outfits aren't even included in this number.

lets use your own arguement here..."all that doesn count for people who have no time to do that" - ops now your own arguement worked against this statement lol

False, it does matter for the people who don't have the time to obtain the entire weekly SG, because the SG is given in stages. The first bit of SG in each source is easier to get than the next. For example, it takes casino coins and thus less time to get the first 10 SG from the Casino than it does the later 30. This applies down the line in each SG Source. Even if you only have 1-2 hours a day, you can still achieve a fair amount of SG. It is literally designed so that even people with limited time can still earn something decent.

Remember this picture posted by HarmlessSyan:

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By their own statement:

This is what you can expect with SG if you do some basic things and play their mobile games - I don't even go out of my way to farm all the SG that is available each week.

The weekly sources of SG in JP let you maintain a sort of basic income, so even if you have limited time, you are still able to get something.

@JuggernautGTX said in So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.:

and to note: im not against this being implemented i am simply here to tell you that getting additional SG from outfits its not as hard even for people who dont play 8 hours a day - thats all there is

8 Hours a day is a large deal more than most casual players can probably afford. That is a whole third of the day and should not be seen as an acceptable standard. I am saying that we have to look at this from the perspectives of people who may only have an hour or two a day to play due to their lives. It is more likely than not that they outnumber of the people who can play for 8+ hours a day.

dont do daily quests for meseta - weekly quests provide you with alot of money for low effort - one to mention "upgrade an armor once" - not a big time sink is it? or "earn 250k meseta through quests" - turn in quests in the cafe - takes yo ua couple hours to prepare those via gathering for a whole month....but thats a "one time in a month" kinda thing otherwise you just go to the cafe turn them in and grab 1.5m meseta...not a big time sink either...the 3rd one can be as i mentioned a lil bit tricky...by doing 10 daily orders - wich takes in fact the longest...or to run advance quest - run extreme quest etc....you are free to ignore them tho if you got no fun in killing stuff...but weeklies provide you with alot of money for almost no effort -avoid dailys if you got no time for that

I mathematically shown that said weekly quests cannot support enough for 7 outfits a week under current prices. Said prices are on a rising trend as well.

@HarmlessSyan How are the outfit prices on JP? I'd imagine that is what the economy in NA will gradually evolve towards.

@Archetype-Luna said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh outfits a week under current prices. Said prices are on a rising trend as well.

@HarmlessSyan How are the outfit prices on JP? I'd imagine that is what the economy in NA will gradually evolve towards.

wrong...price on women outfits been 1m just before before latest ac scratch - 250k during the "happy hour" of scratching - 500k afterwards....and thats for female (the most expensive) - we will soon get another ac scratch and see alot of ppl scratching and reselling things they dont want....i am not worried for this cause it worked for me since i play pc - you cant tell me otherwise unless you can predict the future

@Archetype-Luna said in So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.:

Even if you only have 1-2 hours a day, you can still achieve a fair amount of SG.

Even if you only have 1-2 hours a day you can still earn tens of millions of Meseta per week wich converts into hundrets SG directly - i have f2p accounts its no trouble doing that...i have friends doing it - its no trouble for them....what are you trying to prove? i just told you its not hard to earn meseta for outfits if you know how - showing you one of the easiest methods to earn meseta wich doesn require you 2 hours per day even...idk what you want luna

still i have nothing against "implementing other sg methods" i mentioned that before - its all cool...if ppl want to have more extra SG by outfits then why not farming for them too? where is the problem

@Archetype-Luna JP Ship2, you are looking at around 1mil for cheapest female outfits with SG for the first few days of a new scratch and it will creep upwards as they get bought.

But... I buy outfits to keep, not just to farm SG, there's other stuff for SG - so I'm not constantly looking out for outfit prices

@JuggernautGTX Looking at data and seeing how prices change overtime lets you predict the future in a way. Even female outfits used to be able to be purchased for 250k price about a month ago past their "happy hour." I know this from first hand experience as I used to only buy outfits for the next day.

By examining the market in JP, you can get an idea of what prices the NA market are gradually creeping to.

Even if you only have 1-2 hours a day you can still earn tens of millions of Meseta per week wich converts into hundrets SG directly - i have f2p accounts its no trouble doing that...i have friends doing it - its no trouble for them....what are you trying to prove? i just told you its not hard to earn meseta for outfits if you know how - showing you one of the easiest methods to earn meseta wich doesn require you 2 hours per day even...idk what you want luna

Multiple accounts of 3 50+ characters require a lot more than 2 hours a day to set up for most people. No one should ever have to resort to using multiple accounts. Also, how quickly do you get a shop pass on those accounts. How much fun do you need? Can you do it if you don't have consistent access to UQ's that give large amounts of 10* weapons for ex cubes for fun? Because when I hear people spending tens of thousands of fun trying to get the shop pass from the fun scratch, that makes it feel like multiple accounts are not that limited time friendly.

A basic weekly account is capable of around 7-8 mil a week. It would cost them essentially their entire weekly meseta to buy 7 outfits a week per character (a total of 21 outfits) for SG.

What I want is there to essentially be a basic SG income from a couple hours a day of side content like what you can get in JP.

@Archetype-Luna said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh >

Multiple accounts of 3 50+ characters require a lot more than 2 hours a day to set up for most people. No one should ever have to resort to using multiple accounts. Also, how quickly do you get a shop pass on those accounts.

uhm...you dont need a shop pass on those accounts only on your main...you list expensive items on your main and buy them off with f2p accounts...dont tell me it takes more than 2 hours without even trying-i do that every day!!!! you obviously dont!

gathering for 1 month: takes about 6 hours for each account / login to turn in the mats for weekly - takes about 8 minutes at most per week doing other tasks of the weekly - takes about 1-2 hours per week on 9 characters - now count this together and tell me how thats "alot more than 2 hours per day"