So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.

@JuggernautGTX Even then, that can single shop pass can be a huge pain to get. I've personally spent around 50k Fun on the Fun scratch and have yet to see a shop pass; I'm not aiming for it, but it is worth noting that if I didn't have premium, I would not be able to sell things on the shop.

You described f2p accounts of 3 50+ characters each. I am talking about the time it takes to level each character to 50+. Fresh accounts tend to take a bit more time getting their first character to 50.

Plus, the more people who do this, the more the demand on outfits will increase. I am pretty sure right now that most people are not using multiple accounts to farm meseta to buy outfits with. Meaning, if the mass start doing this, it becomes harder and harder. I am looking for a method that won't increase in difficulty the more people that do it ala what JP has with side content and something that NA could have immediately started doing with the casino and challenge mode.

Outfit prices are rising, looking at prices from a month ago and prices now, they have definitely risen as I used to be able to purchase outfits in the 250k-300k range for females a few days after a new scratch is released and now I generally see them at around 500k+ and rapidly rising from there. If you look at prices on JP, that is what our prices are gradually creeping towards.

@Archetype-Luna said in So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.:

I am looking for a method that won't increase in difficulty the more people that do it ala what JP has with side content and something that NA could have immediately started doing with the casino and challenge mode.

and i am not against it luny...i just pointed out its not a big problem to get additional SG via outfits if youre eager to go for SG xD not the end of the world to level chars up to 50 and not the end of the world to login a couple mins to turn in quests as one of the possible ways to earn meseta - not a hard task at all and easy to do for any beginner who is interested in doing it....there are plenty of other ways to earn meseta and each person will find their most comfortable one thats out of question

Sigh, all this time and people STILL do nothing but complain.

You guys do know one of the big ways of getting SG isn't in the game because they're holding it for EP 4, which is when it came out in Japan, right? Of course you don't, gotta keep complaining over and over.

There's even people saying the game is dead in JP EVEN AFTER THIS REVEAL. How in the world can you say that a game is dying when is going to do a complete engine overhaul?

Pretty sure they plan to "Fix" this with the EP4 update.

@Archetype-Luna I just checked the JP Ship02 on the latest AC scratch, the cheapest ones with SG are at around 1.7m - however... I don't think it's an accurate representation of the economy with the 8th anniversary event going on right now.

You can exchange excubes for 30 grinders and that's 400 meseta each for a total of 12000 per excube. 10-12 star weapons are 1 excube, 13 stars are 3 excubes, 14 stars are 5 excubes...

We currently have a spammable mission, a typical run with 250% RDR + 100% triboost with no premium drink looks like alt text

(BOOOOO no 15 stars, but I got a 13 star unit this run)

This is 61 excubes under 10mins so yea...

I still don't like the current SG system on NA, I think they are still monetizing the player base too heavily with fresh find and now SG scratch. Sure you can buy outfits - but someone else paid for that AC scratch.

Like I said in other thread, I do hope NA well - and hopefully people that are claiming you get more SG income in EP4 are correct but I'm out, back on JP - just too many uncertainties on NA also with censorship.

@HarmlessSyan said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh >

Like I said in other thread, I do hope NA well - and hopefully people that are claiming you get more SG income in EP4 are correct but I'm out, back on JP - just too many uncertainties on NA also with censorship.

idk why ppl outside of jp would still play jp with the upgraded version coming next year - you dont even know if you are able to play said version or if they are going to IP block since the new version is the main focus...ofc they wouldn bother to IP block after NA PSO2 released - wich isn the main focus at all as we now know...makes no sense to me but each their own

@JuggernautGTX yes, each to their own, people should play what version they find more fun more enjoying. But wow that pessimistic view on JP is really starting to remind me of those people in the NGS threads lol

@Ephemiel said in So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.:

Sigh, all this time and people STILL do nothing but complain.

I mean the forums are a place to debate a things like whether or not the SG issues are a significant issue. I don't really see this as complaining, as we are arguing over whether it is a serious issue.

You guys do know one of the big ways of getting SG isn't in the game because they're holding it for EP 4, which is when it came out in Japan, right? Of course you don't, gotta keep complaining over and over.

By that logic, we shouldn't have the SG Scratch Ticket yet. That should have been held until Episode 4. Plus, we already have the Casino and we have Challenge Mode. There is on reason why we can't have SG be given out in those when they already released the SG Scratch Ticket, which was originally released in mid Episode 4.

There's even people saying the game is dead in JP EVEN AFTER THIS REVEAL. How in the world can you say that a game is dying when is going to do a complete engine overhaul?

Well, I am not one of the people who has said the game is dying. I haven't really seen anyone saying that in this thread recently. Pretty sure we have just been debating how serious of an issue the SG situation is..

@JuggernautGTX said in So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.:

@Archetype-Luna said in So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.:

I am looking for a method that won't increase in difficulty the more people that do it ala what JP has with side content and something that NA could have immediately started doing with the casino and challenge mode.

and i am not against it luny...i just pointed out its not a big problem to get additional SG via outfits if youre eager to go for SG xD not the end of the world to level chars up to 50 and not the end of the world to login a couple mins to turn in quests as one of the possible ways to earn meseta - not a hard task at all and easy to do for any beginner who is interested in doing it....there are plenty of other ways to earn meseta and each person will find their most comfortable one thats out of question

This is where I disagree. It is a huge problem in my eyes. Monetization is always a big deal. If the issue is downplayed into something insignificant, there is less chances of the issue being addressed; and monetization is NEVER a small issue. I see this as one of the biggest issues that Sega can address right now; the whole Windows Store issue is something that Microsoft has to address.

The weekly Meseta with 3 characters only amounts to 7-8 mil. I don't see that being anywhere near enough to support a viable SG income. For some people, that may be the only significant source of income they can get.

idk why ppl outside of jp would still play jp with the upgraded version coming next year - you dont even know if you are able to play said version or if they are going to IP block since the new version is the main focus...ofc they wouldn bother to IP block after NA PSO2 released - wich isn the main focus at all as we now know...makes no sense to me but each their own

Probably because you can still play PSO2 JP even after NGS is released. I don't see why NGS would suddenly make PSO2 JP unplayable. I doubt they would IP block because they know that there are people who choose to stay on the JP servers and there are likely paying costumers among said population. I doubt they would block them from NGS either, as again, paying costumers. Blocking said people from the JP version would likely result in losing them as a costumer rather than getting them to move to NA.

@Archetype-Luna said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh I

doubt they would block them from NGS either, as again, paying costumers. Blocking said people from the JP version would likely result in losing them as a costumer rather than getting them to move to NA.

idk why NA players would choose to play JP NG over NA NG - no translation - no english support at all - largely japanese community...and why would anybody do work on translating NG for "NA JP player" when theres an english version coming out at the same time as JP - mostly because they want to prevent on splitting the community...wich is why it would sound reasonable to ip block western player from ng jp....and please dont use as reason "because i can farm more SG on jp in preparation for NG" ... all jp vets were hoping for a western release - wich we get at the same time as jp for the upgraded version - really no reason to start on JP NG as you can see unless you are either a huge japan fan and cant live without it....or if you never hoped for a western pso2 in the first place

@JuggernautGTX said in So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.:

@Archetype-Luna said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh I

doubt they would block them from NGS either, as again, paying costumers. Blocking said people from the JP version would likely result in losing them as a costumer rather than getting them to move to NA.

idk why NA players would choose to play JP NG over NA NG - no translation - no english support at all - largely japanese community...and why would anybody do work on translating NG for "NA JP player" when theres an english version coming out at the same time as JP - mostly because they want to prevent on splitting the community...wich is why it would sound reasonable to ip block western player from ng jp....and please dont use as reason "because i can farm more SG on jp in preparation for NG" ... all jp vets were hoping for a western release - wich we get at the same time as jp for the upgraded version - really no reason to start on JP NG as you can see

Because they are already established on JP? Remember, the game has been out for 8 years in Japan and many players have been playing during that period. Not all of them moved to the NA servers when NA launched. Plus, JP still has IDOLA and PSO2es which are a weekly SG source that NA may never get; remember SG is shared between PSO2 and NGS. An IP block would likely cause those players on JP to just quit altogether rather than reunite the communities as many of those players are part of the JP community despite living outside of Japan; an IP block would separate them from the community they have been playing with for years. I'd imagine this is a huge factor in why JP did not IP block NA when PSO2NA was released. They risk losing more than what they would gain, if they would gain anything at all. Ship 2 in JP has a very strong english community and I doubt it would take too long for translation patches to be made. Not all JP vets were hoping for a western release; there were many who did not want to play NA due to how the western releases in the series were treated in the past.

@Archetype-Luna said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh

Not all JP vets were hoping for a western release; there were many who did not want to play NA due to how the western releases in the series were treated in the past.

there were many who did not hope for a western release? bummer - i have followed the community for ages and all i have read or seen on youtube/facebook were ppl hoping for a western release...now we get one for NG at the same time as japan...those who "didn care about a western release" must be a huge minority cause i have never met one...or did i just meet one as in you?

@Archetype-Luna said in So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.:

Plus, JP still has IDOLA and PSO2es which are a weekly SG source that NA may never get; remember SG is shared between PSO2 and NGS.

people who quit NA to play on JP only because "they get less SG in NA than JP" are hella -insert any word to your liking-...sorry

@JuggernautGTX said in So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh Finds items are resellable and the shop is disabled in 10 minutes.:

@Archetype-Luna said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no transparency, but the Fresh

Not all JP vets were hoping for a western release; there were many who did not want to play NA due to how the western releases in the series were treated in the past.

there were many who did not hope for a western release? bummer - i have followed the community for ages and all i have read or seen on youtube/facebook were ppl hoping for a western release...now we get one for NG at the same time as japan...those who "didn care about a western release" must be a huge minority cause i have never met one...or did i just meet one as in you?

Considering that I do play on NA (I've shown you my playtime before), I doubt I count as one of them. However, you have to remember PSO1BB and PSU, how those western servers were treated. When you were screwed over not once but twice by the same company, it can be hard to give them a third chance. Some people I knew were afraid that they would get IP blocked and be unable to play on the JP servers. Others didn't care because they have been playing JP for years and didn't want to start from scratch. There were plenty of reasons why people wouldn't want to migrate from JP to NA; it is objectively speaking a better server due to having more content and currently being less monetized.

people who quit NA to play on JP only because "they get less SG in NA than JP" are hella -insert any word to your liking-...sorry

I'm talking about the people who didn't switch to NA from JP. Though, I feel it is a legitimate reason because monetization is a huge deal for some people.

Plus JP doesn't have to deal with the MS Store.

Seriously though, while I was happy with PSO2NA was announced, I was still tempered in my joy due to PSO1 and PSU. Like I had a lot of worries due to how those two were treated in the west. You can't really blame people who have been playing JP for years for not wanting to switch to NA given the series' record with western releases.

I highly doubt Sega wants to IP block them either. They have acknowledged the foreign players on their servers before and know that a number of them would stay on the JP servers. I highly doubt they would want to risk losing players in an attempt to try to force them onto the NA servers. There shouldn't be anything wrong with them wanting to stay on the JP servers either.

@JuggernautGTX With how much of a massive flop the SEA release was, no one was seriously holding out for a decent English release. The fact that Microsoft took the torch is a big surprise itself and the Microsoft store basically purged most of the early PC players.

@JuggernautGTX said in [So months of the game deleting itself and we hear nothing, SG is harder to get with no

idk why NA players would choose to play JP NG over NA NG - no translation - no english support at all

Not all of us need translation - I play the game without needing 3rd party tweaker and been doing translation from JP site to provide more information that the NA side may not have.

largely japanese community...

This is actually a positive for some of us. There are even people that purposely choose to not play on JP Ship2 (the main overseas ship). While I appreciate the English community, there are parts that I wish I didn't have to deal with - explained later in post

and why would anybody do work on translating NG for "NA JP player" when theres an english version coming out at the same time as JP - mostly because they want to prevent on splitting the community...wich is why it would sound reasonable to ip block western player from ng jp....

Let it be ping for people in SEA, or for people that just prefer the JP community - the current English community on JP Ship 2 is still quite sizable. And there you go with the doom and gloom again for the JP servers - assuming overseas IP block which you have no source for as they never did for PSO2 - even when they announced the initial Western release in 2013, even when SEA and TW servers were running, and even now with NA release. You criticize people in the NGS thread for having a bad lookout yet you are doing the same for JP.

all jp vets were hoping for a western release - wich we get at the same time as jp for the upgraded version

Says who... you? Why are you trying to speak for everyone. Great that you love NA so much, but like I mentioned before, there's still a large population of English players on JP Ship2 who can care less about non-JP servers - you played JP PSO2 before, come, talk to people around that are playing on JP servers. Or if you really don't want to, there are still players playing on JP servers on PSO-World.

really no reason to start on JP NG as you can see unless you are either a huge japan fan and cant live without it....or if you never hoped for a western pso2 in the first place

I really do not know why you are so vindictive towards the JP servers or people that prefer it.

people who quit NA to play on JP only because "they get less SG in NA than JP" are hella -insert any word to your liking-...sorry

Feel like this is a shot at me, sorry if you think SG was the only reason I left NA, it just happened to be the last straw. There are myriad of reason

let it be censorship - character creator restriction, no smart inner and who knows what else they will avoid bringing over for fashion, the need for them to take out the shot that showed innerwear on the NA NGS trailer

let it be the rate of content coming out - JP maints every week and very often some new content that's not scratches comes out, they may be much smaller patches but at least there's something new to farm that actually drops items that you would want. On NA, with the release of NT Nemesis/Slave which you can buy off the player shop - you're basically set for until EP5 aside from a few super rare drop 14 stars from EP4 Urgents. I expected the opposite for a game that is trying to play catch up, content to be coming out constantly with something new to work for every week, rather than lobby grinding for months on end. I heard people are still locked out of their personal rooms on NA due to the poster from the SG scratch, hopefully this get fixed soon. JP is not perfect, 12 star units are currently slightly messed up (you cant enhance or affix them but you can upgrade them with Zieg to 13 star and not run into any trouble) due to error while putting 12 star units into player shops that they unlocked this week - but they immediately posted on the main page once notified and promised the fix next week.

Mobile games - I like being able to do playershop for PSO2 on an App, able to farm Receptor affixes easier in them, work on pets - mags - dark blast - collection files with a different method, and above all else, I enjoy the story and content that these games provides while being rewarded in PSO2 at the same time.

Collaborations - let it be collaborations with PSO2es or IDOLA, or other real life collaborations with like Seven-Eleven, Lawson, Toranoana, Dengeki, etc. I really don't see these happening much for a game that wish to go global. Only example I have is from FFXIV that tried with US Amazon, some magazine in EU, Seven-Eleven in JP - which I would say were not very well received as it ends up excluding people from them.

Community - JP players tend to respect personal privacy a bit more, you see less of SA spamming from them, less in game harassment like the people going around shaming people doing SG scratch or spamming in the game in general. None of that #1 alliance on NA Ship 2 bs. There is no RMT spam and JP have very hard stance on RMT and account sharing, they punished people for buying their expert matching condition wins.

Lastly, yes the monetization. I feel the NA PSO2 is getting monetized much more than JP. Let it be the fresh find shop or releasing SG scratch with the current state of SG and combining 2 scratches with 1/3 of the time. While you can earn SG with outfit, someone else had to buy that AC scratch. Looking at the AC sales, although I wouldn't buy any of these and the items offered are different, the packs are much more expensive on NA (linking the picture because it's big) https://i.imgur.com/6xeaYm3.png

It's great that you like the NA servers, but can you please stop insulting us that prefer JP servers.

@HarmlessSyan i think the NA players have every right to share SOME disdain for the JP players. In honesty its a proven track record that the JP community actually hates Americans in some fashion. I advocate for the people not wanting the bullying and the constant sex that is going on all because most of the younger players enjoy getting off on a virtual model. I just have to ask where are all the fucking parents in all this... ?!??

Of course we got all ages here and i will be honest the reason why i plan on staying in NGS and not classic PSO2 is in fact the constant bickering here and people whipping out thier virtual dicks and comparing size... Its absolutely atrocious... We need to start thinking down the line how we can make NGS better.... I say we give the children their precious lobbies and let them fuck thier virtual brains out until one day they are thrown a pair of steel cuffs for instigating lewd acts. In honesty outside the dailies and the occasional events... I just say everyone to the dam corner and think heavily what we turned out to be... I refuse to let NGS turn out to be another copycat to the franchise... Enough bullying enough sex.. Enough bigotry we need to draw the line NOW