Thoughts on things as both a NA and JP player (Feel free to ignore as it's a bit long)

So, I intended to say nothing on the forums as there's this weird divide between NA players and JP players that know what should be there. It really makes me cautious to say anything as I'd prefer not to suddenly be potentially blasted for what amounts to my own personal opinion. Certainly there are a ton of angry players, both NA and former JP and I too am one of them, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. I don't doubt this will be taken the wrong way by some and I am at peace with that. Opinions clash and so do egos, but I urge you all to stop and think a bit before viciously attacking each other over opinions with all this. No I don't mean that everyone attacks each other, but there's a worrying vocal amount on both sides that seem to only fan the flames of dissent between the two perceived sides.

On one side, we have the folks who've been playing the JP version and thus feel the missing content very strongly. There is nothing wrong with being discontent with this. If, for example, you were given a sandwich in one store, but was advertised the exact same thing elsewhere but without the things you recall in them once you get it, you'd be upset no matter who you were. The same is for the JP players. Now, if for example they simply just add in each set of missing content per episode? That's fine. But there's still other issues here to be discussed. For one, and I know these are controversial subjects to some, but I'm honestly going to speak out about it anyhow. Height. Being artificially limited on how small you can make your character is, in my opinion, disgusting. I know that in the US currently there's a rather strange movement over fictional children and their 'abuse', but we forget that they are just that, fictional. AKA, not real. Second is that this is, in my eyes also discriminatory as there are indeed many of us who are extremely short or small in stature. It's as if saying "Oh because we want to look good for the masses, you can't make certain sizes because all people are above this height." I understand many of you may turn your nose up at underage characters in game as players, but even the game handles this better than NA with Klariskrays herself and a certain dark falz. Even knowing her story shows you can do things maturely and still have zero issue. I personally find it distasteful that certain things were stealth removed or simply restricted because they don't want to come under fire. Honestly? Far, far too late for that. If I continued just speaking of changes made to make the game better we'd be here all night, so I'll point out a fact that many don't want to look at instead. The content rating.

PSO2 in JP has a Cero rating of D. Which means it's meant to handle mature issues, themes, and appearances since at minimum 17 year olds should be the ones consuming said product. This means that showing non gratuitous nudity or limited nudity is allowed as the ones playing are expected to be mature enough to handle such things without batting an eyelash at obvious fictional situations. PSO2 in NA has a ESRB rating of M (Reduced to T from what I've read to keep things 'family friendly') and yet even being reduced to T, I hope those translating the game realize what exactly is coming up in Ep 4 and beyond. Probably don't care, but that's neither here nor there. Point is, I know I'm gonna get many "Don't like it? Go play JP then!" responses. It's bad enough being an extremely short woman and being mistaken as a child by condescending adults who you're older than. Yes, this bullshit can happen as I've lived it all my life. So being a former JP player and now seeing this artificially made impossible because no tiny people exist is honestly sad. Now.. enough on that tirade. Point is, regardless of how many of you puff up your chests and act like you're a paragon of virtue? We're all perverted on some level so pointing fingers gets us nowhere.

Now from the NA side, I can get why many of you would be annoyed at all the bitching from JP players. For you? Everything is fresh and new and exciting! But because you never experienced what was, of course you wouldn't care too much about such missing content. This is not a bad thing either. If you're fine with the missing things? That's honestly ok! Others may not like it, but that's your opinion and right to like what you want. I've personally been playing the JP version since June of 2013 and hoo boy, back them translating the game before arks-layer's tweaker was a nightmare. I remember that first feeling of teleporting down to the planet and looking around in wonder, fighting off rockbears and killing it before you realized it was a capture mission. Some things never change. But I honestly wish I could get that feeling back with the NA version to the level of then. If I recall, the level cap back then was 30 and we were still using OT version weaponry. Either way, when the NA version started up, it made this old gal's heart leap just like it did back then as I could read it in my native tongue without tripping over mentally translating on the fly from knowing multiple languages. So for all of you first experiencing PSO2's story so far? I can't imagine what you must feel. Some are jaded for sure. Maybe you don't like JP storytelling, maybe you just were here for ballbusting content that really isn't available yet. For those that enjoyed it, I hope that you're eagerly looking forward to each and every new episode as holy hell does the plot go places!

Now, I'm gonna just commend many of you who are new players for keeping a level and impartial head. I know it's very hard sometimes seeing JP players complaining about what's missing and NA players complaining about the JP players... but we all are united under one thing and that's the tie that binds. We love this game. Our passion need not be the same. Or rather it should not be the same. We all love and get something different out of the game and that's okay! Enjoy it how you want but just don't bash on someone else's fun as long as they're doing it without directly harming another. And I don't mean emotionally. We're gonna get our feelings hurt so we just gotta deal with that. But if the person is blatantly making life difficult for someone? Then yes, we can't have that at all. We need no divides between us as people. If you played the JP version or not, we waited 8 long years for this to hit our shores. While granted, it is nowhere near perfection and honestly even I'm rubbed the wrong way with it, this does not diminish my love for this game. I just simply cannot support it monetarily until I see if various practices worsen or change for the better. Now since I know most of you won't read all of this or cherry pick your way through it to argue with me, I'll again state that these are my own opinions. I'm not saying I speak for either side of the community and honestly I'm currently not playing until the next episode to confirm a few things, but I hope it's food for thought for some. We've too much happening to be at each other's throats. Let's try to calmly talk through issues and not fling insults, names and derogatory titles. We're better than that, right?

Yes, I feel very much the same way about the game. I wouldn't have put in so much time in the game as I already have if I didn't love the game and the series. I personally imported Phantasy Star Portable 2 infinity and played it with a translation guide on hand because I had so much fun with PSPo and PSPo2.

I am vocal about issues like SG because I believe they truly are issues. That's why I am vocal about it here and twitter, have submitted a support ticket on the matter, and made a post on reddit imploring people to submit support tickets if they feel that the state of SG in NA is an issue.

I do this because I love the game and I still log in and play it on a regular basis. Being vocal about these issues is my way of showing that I care.

First:

https://forum.pso2.com/topic/584/removing-height-restrictions?page=1

That's where people are talking about height. Keeping all opinions in one place helps the GMs send a more complete message to the devs. So please post your opinions and support there too.

Second. While I see the arguments about JP vs NA and which is better and which is not, I feel that even if I was a JP "veteran", I wouldn't be angry at the content the NA version has. For a starting game, it does have a good bit of content. Can use more right now, but that's mostly because of the current gamer culture where everything must be done in a few milliseconds without even looking at the visuals. So of course, content will be finished in record time by the faster players, and they will look up wanting more.

The other issue with content is that to both ease in newbies and extend content releases, of course some of it has to be held back. But it seems we will be getting the rest somewhere within this year and the start of the next. Not sure if it will be a 1:1 match with JP, but at least more content was promised, so let's hope they do just that.

Yeah, this is what we want. We need more good vibes to try and smooth things out with the player base than people at each other's throats. But I mostly wrote these thoughts as they came to me and didn't know about the link above. I'll certainly add my thoughts there for height stuff, thanks a bundle for that!

Tldr calm your tizts

As someone who has played on the JP servers since 2012, and also playing on the NA servers. In my honest opinion it's a breath of fresh air. New players to meet and make friends with that I couldn't get the chance to on JP. The nostalgia of episode 1, 2, and 3, without having to do them through a matter board. Being more relaxed with playing since right now I don't feel the rush to have BiS 6 - 8 slot affixing cause of the rushed updates. Also doing content with others that's now pretty much ignored on the JP servers. I don't hold any kind of grudge against new players. What I know I share, it's up to them to accept that info or not. If they don't agree with what I say it's fine, I'm not here to argue.

Gonna be a nerd and compliment your formatting, grammar, phrasing, etc. because that made it an easy read lol

Regarding the matter at hand, I really do agree we should all just try to enjoy what we have for now and get along, and that comparing the two versions of the game has really done more bad than good. However, even with PSO2 NA as my only real experience with the game, I still feel like there's nothing to do except grind ultimates or casino coins nowadays; so while I don't have that "missing content" feeling, I definitely have that "wow, there's really not much to do in this game" feeling 😭

And even then, I'll only get a drop once a week in ultimates if I'm lucky haha

@Albert said in Thoughts on things as both a NA and JP player (Feel free to ignore as it's a bit long):

Gonna be a nerd and compliment your formatting, grammar, phrasing, etc. because that made it an easy read lol

Regarding the matter at hand, I really do agree we should all just try to enjoy what we have for now and get along, and that comparing the two versions of the game has really done more bad than good. However, even with PSO2 NA as my only real experience with the game, I still feel like there's nothing to do except grind ultimates or casino coins nowadays; so while I don't have that "missing content" feeling, I definitely have that "wow, there's really not much to do in this game" feeling 😭

And even then, I'll only get a drop once a week in ultimates if I'm lucky haha

This is why i suggested this thread

https://forum.pso2.com/topic/5981/the-game-is-losing-players-already-and-these-are-some-things-than-can-help-stop-it/13

The ultimate grind can be a bit boring with just how everything is only based on RNG. There is really no sense of progression.

@Albert said in Thoughts on things as both a NA and JP player (Feel free to ignore as it's a bit long):

Gonna be a nerd and compliment your formatting, grammar, phrasing, etc. because that made it an easy read lol

Regarding the matter at hand, I really do agree we should all just try to enjoy what we have for now and get along, and that comparing the two versions of the game has really done more bad than good. However, even with PSO2 NA as my only real experience with the game, I still feel like there's nothing to do except grind ultimates or casino coins nowadays; so while I don't have that "missing content" feeling, I definitely have that "wow, there's really not much to do in this game" feeling 😭

And even then, I'll only get a drop once a week in ultimates if I'm lucky haha

I think the big difference between this and what we usually get from a brand new RPG (like MMOs, though PSO2 isn't one) is that the leveling experience in PSO2 is pretty much left to players. In other RPGs, story usually carries players through the levels. And when these games are new, the path is pretty long (and boring for those wanting to be at the top instantly). Over time, the leveling experience is shortened, with much less quests that give a lot more experience. We didn't get this in this game, so we are tossed into the grind pretty quickly.

I honestly wonder how many people actually played classic PSO in its intended format (no XP boosts, increased drop rates, etc. like you might get from the private servers). The new content we got in those games were few and far between. That was a game where you basically had the same few stages, the same weapons, etc. People constantly repeated doing the same thing over and over again for years because they genuinely enjoyed playing the game. It wasn't about gearing for the next content drop as there was no real gear treadmill. It was about collecting and stockpiling uber-rare drops.

I realize games have changed since then, but I see people claiming to have been PSO1 fans but the stuff they complain about makes me think they don't actually remember PSO1 as it truly was.

Regarding the content drop, it's been very obvious from the start that we were going to get stuff opened up to us periodically rather than all at once so as not to overwhelm people who are genuinely new to the game, and I appreciate them doing that. The NA release was not made for JP westerners to have a localized version. It was made for westerners to experience the game for themselves. The reason the JP version requires a third party program to be able to read anything in english is because that version was never intended to be played by a western audience. Their solution to stopping a DDOS was to outright block any IPs coming from the west for a while. That doesn't look like a "we appreciate you being here" message. Not to mention you had to make it look like you lived in japan during registration (I believe that has since been removed). Then you have the headache-inducing romaji security check.

I agree with some of the complaints about the SG scratch tickets and just how expensive some of the things are. I think people would be a bit more tolerant if there was also an option to just flat out buy what you wanted without dealing with RNG. Maybe have the tickets be tradeable while buying something outright is account bound. Buying outright would need to cost a little bit more, but you are guaranteed the item(s) you are after. (This won't happen though.) All that said, cosmetics do not impact the actual gameplay. I can still play the entire game without spending any money at all, so quitting the game over cosmetics is a silly reason imo.

@Ciel I played PSO1 V1 when it released. It's the reason why I didn't play this one like the traditional "gear up, git gud and get to max" game. Back then there was no real min maxing other than what you picked off dead enemies, while avoiding the Game Shark cheaters who killed you with a Resta (because of dropping weapon+money on death).

Now, games have changed, but Gamer mentality hasn't changed much. There has always been tryhards and people willing and trying to do things above everyone else. But these playstyles usually unknown by the masses are now widely commonly seen. The Internet and the utter ease for people to watch what others do, multiplied this mentality, and our awareness of it, by an unknown exponential number.

Lastly, it's not silly to quit because you don't feel comfortable with how your character looks. I mean, part of a video game is the "video" part, where you see something on a screen. In my honest opinion, if you don't like what you see, be it visuals, the characters, enemy models, regardless of what other elements of the game you may like, that's one less reason to stick to a game. Doesn't mean you will quit JUST because of that, but that's one check box less. And the character you are going to use for the whole game session is part of that aesthetic. So if you don't like how your character looks, and other things don't tie you down to the game much, you tend to quit. At least some people do, and I find it a fair reason.

@ZorokiHanuke said in Thoughts on things as both a NA and JP player (Feel free to ignore as it's a bit long):

First: Can use more right now, but that's mostly because of the current gamer culture where everything must be done in a few milliseconds without even looking at the visuals. So of course, content will be finished in record time by the faster players, and they will look up wanting more.

Just wanted to say they are usually call the no lifer. Speeding through content is their only goal. Finishing everything within a day or 2 is like the only purpose of playing a game.

@Ciel would you consider this to impact actual gameplay?

http://www.bumped.org/psublog/pso2-jp-sg-scratch-mid-summer-support-item-selection/

http://www.bumped.org/psublog/pso2-jp-sg-scratch-support-item-selection/

You know it most likely going to come to NA at some point, hopefully NA will have some sort of SG farming by then.

@ButWhole said in Thoughts on things as both a NA and JP player (Feel free to ignore as it's a bit long):

@ZorokiHanuke said in Thoughts on things as both a NA and JP player (Feel free to ignore as it's a bit long):

First: Can use more right now, but that's mostly because of the current gamer culture where everything must be done in a few milliseconds without even looking at the visuals. So of course, content will be finished in record time by the faster players, and they will look up wanting more.

Just wanted to say they are usually call the no lifer. Speeding through content is their only goal. Finishing everything within a day or 2 is like the only purpose of playing a game.

While there are some no lifers involved, not everyone wanting to maximize their time fits into this. Many are simply talented players with less time to play than others, and so they seek the most efficient way to do things quickly. But really, each player has his/her differences even though we all fall within this or that denomination. And lastly, some players simply like that way of playing.

I may sometimes speak a bit defensively about it but I understand it's a way of playing and as long as they are not making others feel bad intentionally, there's nothing wrong with it. The problems usually happen when some of these players want to force others to play like them, or they make everyone else feel unwelcome just because not everyone is into doing stuff quickly.

Yes agreed, I don't think we should be shaming speed runners. I respect their playstyles.