Just have fun! Give it a year!

@Blade-Syphon the reality here is that most of these guys on the forums are the minority. Using SG scratch as an example, it does seem a little expensive and it sucks it cannot be traded. But at the end of the day how am I going to get this upset over a cosmetic item which has no affect in the actual game? My friend said it perfectly SG scratch is like luxury brand or high-end clothes and not everyone can have it. So many people have purchased it that it makes me wonder how big of an issue these things really are. The forums here make things seem way bigger than what it actually is. If a cosmetic item that has no affect on game-play is the worse thing in this game we are fine. All other free to play games are pay to win but this is not.

My words for the OP are as follows: Take to heart that you are clearly right on the money. I present as evidence the sheer number of whining responses you've generated from the "usual" crowd in this thread alone. 🤣

I promise you that some of us actually enjoy the game and want to be here. I think a little positivity is warranted. Don't give up!!!

I really enjoy this game and let me tell you why.

Today I got some PSO old school music and it brought back memories! I love how the Dev/GMs are integrating the old school PSO into PSO2. These a little things the give homage to why some of us enjoy playing the game.

Thank you!

Which track did you get? Also, Barren Blossom is my second favorite UQ because of the PSO EP III ending boss theme.

I'm still having a blast in the game myself. Between fashion, UQ farming, and just hanging out with my alliance there is always something to do and have fun with.

@Penndragon87 said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

@Blade-Syphon the reality here is that most of these guys on the forums are the minority. Using SG scratch as an example, it does seem a little expensive and it sucks it cannot be traded. But at the end of the day how am I going to get this upset over a cosmetic item which has no affect in the actual game? My friend said it perfectly SG scratch is like luxury brand or high-end clothes and not everyone can have it. So many people have purchased it that it makes me wonder how big of an issue these things really are. The forums here make things seem way bigger than what it actually is. If a cosmetic item that has no affect on game-play is the worse thing in this game we are fine. All other free to play games are pay to win but this is not.

It's not supposed to be a super luxury. Look at how it is on the JP server and you find it to be something that it is accessible to the people who spend time and work hard towards earning. There really isn't a reason why it should be different here.

Plus, just because someone still plays the game and is enjoying it can't be feeling off put by the SG scratches. I still log on PSO2NA on a daily basis in case the complaints did get to the devs and they make NA's SG income like JP's. Like I haven't given up on NA yet; why would I even bother with the SG threads if I gave up.

I've talked to a number of whales in game and they have found issues with how the SG scratch is, especially when they learn about how the SG income is on JP.

So you can both have an issue with the game and be vocal about it while also still playing it and having fun with it.

Just waiting a year, and letting things happen without calling it out does not seem like a good idea. By then it may be too late to fix anything. It is better to call out these issues early and given the series' past history with localizations, being vocal about it is necessary. Quite literally, the western audience has been ignored before in the past with PSO1 and PSU, with very limited communication from the devs. Many are fearful of another repeat.

One more thing to consider is that because the forums are one of the official channels of communication, they will likely get a higher density of complaints and call outs on issues. Some people may do more positive posts on places like reddit or discord as they want the developers' attention on the issues.

So again, just because people are enjoying the game doesn't mean they don't also see issues in it. However, the western audience has been mistreated before in the past so many of us do not want to risk another PSO1 or PSU repeat. When we see a red flag, we are going to call it out. Doesn't mean we aren't capable of enjoying the game when we play it.

@Archetype-Luna said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

It's not supposed to be a super luxury. Look at how it is on the JP server and you find it to be something that it is accessible to the people who spend time and work hard towards earning. There really isn't a reason why it should be different here.

But to give some of the people and their opinions some credit: The whole game is not supposed to be run the way NA is running it right now to catch up with jp....so we cannot say yet "compared to jp" cause we compare it to an 8 years old game....wich makes the whole point of comparing it in the current state of the game (still episode 3) impossible - also the fact that alot of the free to earn stuff was handled by -pso2 related none in game apps- with one of them being released even way after episode 4 (and wich we will most probably never get)

^ just saying that this whole "comparing our SG to jp thing" takes way too many stuff into account wich simply dont work for our NA version

but as you said yourself often enough it is right that the flood of SG things outmatches the SG income that you get ingame by far and at a unhealthy ratio wich makes some of the players unhappy - and the sales on SG are currently designed for whales

@JuggernautGTX said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

@Archetype-Luna said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

It's not supposed to be a super luxury. Look at how it is on the JP server and you find it to be something that it is accessible to the people who spend time and work hard towards earning. There really isn't a reason why it should be different here.

But to give some of the people and their opinions some credit: The whole game is not supposed to be run the way NA is running it right now to catch up with jp....so we cannot say yet "compared to jp" cause we compare it to an 8 years old game....wich makes the whole point of comparing it in the current state of the game (still episode 3) impossible - also the fact that alot of the free to earn stuff was handled by -pso2 related none in game apps- with one of them being released even way after episode 4 (and wich we will most probably never get)

^ just saying that this whole "comparing our SG to jp thing" takes way too many stuff into account wich simply dont work for our NA version

but as you said yourself often enough it is right that the flood of SG things outmatches the SG income that you get ingame by far and at a unhealthy ratio wich makes some of the players unhappy - and the sales on SG are currently designed for whales

The main thing to consider with the SG situation is that it involves the monetization of a game which is a very delicate situation. Like there are things about NA that are potentially due to its catch up that I more or less accepted such as crafting. Episode 4 came out in JP in 2016, meanwhile, crafting was around well before that as you can see from this blog post which details crafting:

http://www.bumped.org/psublog/pso2-crafting-system-mini-guide/

Note the year: 2014.

Things like this I can understand being delayed as crafting may have dealt with some OT weapons or other in game mechanics.

The SG situation is a purely monetization issue as it was pushed earlier than it was in JP; remember the SG and SG Scratch tickets were not a thing until Episode 4. I can understand introducing SG right away to provide things like material storage, buying tiers in the mission pass, and having the fresh find shop; but there was no reason to release the SG Scratch ticket early. Plus we still have the casino and challenge mode which could have been used to add more SG sources without needing content from episode 4 if they really needed to introduce SG Scratch tickets this early. There was also no reason to combine two tickets worth of item pools together nor run it for only 2 months; they could have ran multiple scratch tickets concurrently for example. It was very possible to have the SG situation a lot closer to how it is in JP. Even if we can't get the apps, we still could have Casino and Challenge Mode Weekly SG right now.

At the very least, by having weekly SG in the Casino and Challenge mode, people may have been more patient with the SG situation; it would have given people more faith and would not had raised anywhere near as large of a red flag.

The important thing to look at when comparing the JP and NA versions on the matter of SG is to show that we could have more SG sources right now. There was no reason to release the SG Scratch Tickets so early while not also including weekly SG sources for the income that we currently have. The main thing to draw from it is not that we should immediately have all of the sources, but that we have content that gives SG in JP but do not give SG in NA.

Like if they gave the Casino 40 weekly SG and Challenge Mode 100 weekly SG, we would get 140 SG a week. If we had the SG Scratch Tickets running for 6 months instead of 2 months (rounding a month to 4 weeks for easier math), we'd get 3360 SG from just these two sources; something that would go a long way towards making the SG Scratch tickets more palpable. If we consider that we are getting PvP with Episode 4, which is another source of SG, going with the conservative assumption that we get it at the very end of August, so leaving 4 months with the PvP as a source of SG, that is an extra 1600 SG that could be earned for a total of 4960 SG, 62 rolls worth of SG.

When you compare JP to NA, you'll find that there are places that NA could be providing additional SG in despite the awkward state NA is in; whether it is content NA already has or by simply including more time on these banners.

@JuggernautGTX said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

^ just saying that this whole "comparing our SG to jp thing" takes way too many stuff into account wich simply dont work for our NA version

And it seems people understand that when it comes to PSO2es and the like. But the casino does work on NA.

@Penndragon87

Oh I know, this isn't my first MMO or Rodeo, I'm very used to seeing this sort of negativity on every single forum on literally every MMO I've played (except for XIV, where being negative is actually against the ToS, and no, I'm not making that up).

It just never ceases to amaze me that no matter what game or community, this is always the case. Even during WoW's darkest days with WoD, I saw less people complaining in game than I ever did on the forums - both the official ones, and on MMO Champion, which is a god damned haven for negativity.

@Blade-Syphon said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

@Penndragon87

Oh I know, this isn't my first MMO or Rodeo, I'm very used to seeing this sort of negativity on every single forum on literally every MMO I've played (except for XIV, where being negative is actually against the ToS, and no, I'm not making that up).

It just never ceases to amaze me that no matter what game or community, this is always the case. Even during WoW's darkest days with WoD, I saw less people complaining in game than I ever did on the forums - both the official ones, and on MMO Champion, which is a god damned haven for negativity.

I mean a game's forums are supposed to be an official channel for feedback. It would make sense for there to be more negativity when there is an issue on the forums as you generally can't really send feedback in game. It would make sense that most people would go onto places like forums to post on issues and the like where it is more likely for the developers to see the complaints. Just because someone posts issues on the forums, doesn't mean they don't also enjoy the game.

You'll likely find some dissent if you asked around in game. People just generally save their dissent for places like forums or support tickets since complaining in game usually does not amount to anything.

@RainGnyu said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

I have started to notice some people attaching P2W to this game. How is this game P2W? Not understanding how that is so.

The most overt example of PSO2 having P2W content is in SG Scratch. In Japan they have affix transfer items that let you bring all of your affixes on one item to another with 100% success. Getting these requires you to spend a lot of SG on the SG scratch. Allowing players to get new, top-tier items and spend nothing on affixing is huge for allowing them to not only get ahead, but to stay ahead: it basically means you only need to affix one 8-slot weapon and set of units and you're set for life.

In NA we have almost no renewable sources of SG and most people still can't even really afford to comfortably roll on the current SG and they don't seem to have any real plans to expand on this issue, at least none that they've been willing to tell us about so far. So if they keep the SG scratch, and they run it like JP did; we're looking at a situation where those willing to spend real money will have a massive in-game advantage over anyone who can't afford to spend hundreds of dollars per scratch.

@Nuebot It's a PvE only game. There's no real P2W ina PvE game. If anything, its a pay-to-run-out-of-content-faster.

@Archetype-Luna

No no, I get that, I totally do. The Forums ARE supposed to be a place to give feedback, and it's important to do so. It's why I shake my head when I look at FFXIV's official forums, and see a ToS clause that literally states you may not post anything that can be construed as negativity towards the game.

However, I think the point Pendragon and I are getting at, is that more often than not on the forums, you generally tend to see a vocal minority - that is a handful of the same people - constantly complaining about the game, and how the developers can do no good..Even when they do good, or make good on promises, these people still complain.

Feedback and criticism is an important part of any game's continued development. The Developers need to know what does and doesn't work, and what is and isn't fun. But the problem right now is for every good post filled with informative feedback and criticism towards the game, you have a dozen others that are the exact opposite. Telling people to just leave the NA version and go play the "superior JP version" is not constructive feedback. Saying that the SG Tickets are going to kill the game is not constructive feedback. Mindless doomsaying about how Sega doesn't care about us, and that the game's doomed to fail in a few months is not constructive feedback.

And in the vast majority of all those cases on this forum, the posters regurgitating that are the same handful of people - and again, that is not helpful. Asking Sega to be more transparent with what's coming down the pipeline besides a very cut and dry, basic roadmap is helpful, constructive feedback. Telling Sega in a calm manner that you're not happy with how the SG tickets are being handled? Also super helpful.

Constantly crying that the game is awful, that the JP version is better, and that the game's going to die in a few months? Not...not helpful.

@Lorient said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

@Nuebot It's a PvE only game. There's no real P2W ina PvE game. If anything, its a pay-to-run-out-of-content-faster.

So you'd be fine if they just let people pay a fee for max level characters, every item in the game and anything else they could ever want? It's just a PVE game after all; why not give them infinite health and PP while you're at it.