Just have fun! Give it a year!

You can be critical and yet be positive at the same time. There is no need for forced positives. If there was nothing to enjoy about the game, I wouldn't remain.

If there's issues that are driving people away from the game (or just solidifying their decision to ignore premium content wholesale like SG scratch which SEGA probably wouldn't prefer), they should be discussed as they're happening, rather than just waiting a year for the game's population to decrease to just the people still willing to deal with it. If your house is on fire, you usually try to do something about it while it's burning rather than waiting a few days for it to burn itself out and then say "see, everything worked itself out, the house isn't on fire anymore".

The game's still fun, but honestly I mostly talk about the fun parts of the game with my friends in other areas (discord, other forums), so naturally I talk about them less here. I imagine it's probably the same for a lot of others, which results in more criticism being posted here because it's stuff people actually want the devs/GMs to have visibility of.

That may be a common trait then. I just think we aren't using the forums as a community, but only as a place for visibility for concerns. I think doing so is valid, but then again, it's demoralizing if there is no other discussion besides that. I just want to reiterate that I want it for both. Hopefully others see this and it helps encourage them to post more in other topics.

Given the past history of the series and its western releases, waiting a year is too great of a risk. A similar situation happened on JP and the JP community lashed back and got positive changes like additional SG sources added. The release of SG scratch tickets at this point in time, the manner they were released in (two scratch tickets' item pools combined together and only 2 months to roll) and the lack of SG in content that we already have such as the Casino and Challenge Mode. Also remember that the manual originally mentioned SG in the casino and then was removed. Like can anyone give a good reason why we have the SG Scratch Tickets now but not Casino SG?

These are incredibly huge red flags, especially when you consider the route the series has went in past western releases; sweeping problems under the rug only exacerbates them further down the line

Plus, I've seen people in the SG threads post in other threads as well; I've posted in other threads as well. Sure most of their posts are in the SG threads, but that is because of how serious of a red flag the current situation is. No one posting in these SG threads are preventing others from making threads on other topics; it is just that this problem is serious enough to most people that the majority of their focus is on this.

I disagree, I think we can wait. Otherwise you are suggesting we give up, which I strongly stand against. (Otherwise I don't know what you are suggesting as an alternative) The tickets are an issue, and we have gone over that. Best we can do is submit a support ticket, and wait and see how things go. I don't believe in sweeping things under the rug. It is healthy to be critical. Although I also don't see a reason to argue about why they put out tickets at this time, or why they removed SG text. I am curious how beneficial this would be. Other than to confirm suspicions that we are being treated differently, which is not something I personally care about. I feel that is beating a dead horse. In general, I play the game for the game itself, and not for the opinion of the game company and what they may think of me.

@Ranmaru said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

I disagree, I think we can wait. Otherwise you are suggesting we give up, which I strongly stand against. (Otherwise I don't know what you are suggesting as an alternative) The tickets are an issue, and we have gone over that. Best we can do is submit a support ticket, and wait and see how things go. I don't believe in sweeping things under the rug. It is healthy to be critical. Although I also don't see a reason to argue about why they put out tickets at this time, or why they removed SG text. I am curious how beneficial this would be. Other than to confirm suspicions that we are being treated differently, which is not something I personally care about. I feel that is beating a dead horse. In general, I play the game for the game itself, and not for the opinion of the game company and what they may think of me.

My definition of not waiting a year is the opposite of giving up. For me giving up would be abandoning NA completely. Being vocal about the game's issues, to me is a way to show that you care.

A reason why arguing over some of these details is needed is when a response downplays the issue at hand. At that point, a debate pretty much has to happen or the issue at hand risks becoming brushed over as people may read these posts and see the response that downplays the issue with no rebuttal to it and may think that there really is no issue.

That can then exacerbate with how many people often think that sending in tickets or posting on official channels does nothing towards getting changes to be made. I've seen a lot of people who believe that only whales have a real say in the matter when, in truth, even F2P players can have a loud voice. Too many people think that their voice does not matter and leaves it unused. By being vocal, they may realize that change can come from the player base, that it may not be a hopeless battle, which in turn can lead them to speaking up on the matters that they care about.

I don't see how SG (as an example) is being downplayed to the point we need to ask why text was removed. I think the issue has been made clear, and debating about those details is really making assumptions without any basis, since we would be guessing motivations. Which again, doesn't really help the staff solve the problem.

@Ranmaru said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

I don't see how SG (as an example) is being downplayed to the point we need to ask why text was removed. I think the issue has been made clear, and debating about those details is really making assumptions without any basis, since we would be guessing motivations. Which again, doesn't really help the staff solve the problem.

To be honest, the text removal thing was kind of a rhetorical question. Also, there were posts in the other threads that were downplaying the SG situation. Some posts in other threads even said that it was not a serious issue at all. Like last night, most of the debate I had on it was on whether or not the SG issue was even serious.

Another thing to consider is that a lot of people may use reddit or discord to post more general or community based PSO2 stuff. I feel like it is more of a norm to use these for such things over official channels as these are communities directly created by the players base. Like most of my more positive PSO2 discussion happens in the discord servers I'm in. Like while I was posting about SG here, I was posting on reddit pictures of someone dressing up as a rappy with a giant Eggman face, Megumin's Hat, and Sonic and Amy faces for eyes all while riding on a Merry-Go-Round and how Eggman was staring into my soul on the victory screen for a UQ.

@Knight-Raime said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

Forums are by their nature designed to give feedback and discuss current things happening.

@leufio said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

A year of silence from the community and a year of feedback will have vastly different end products. [snip] being critical of a thing you like (I like it as well!) is not being critical of you.

These, pretty much.


I think it's important to distinguish feedback (or complaints, whatever you call it) from negativity. Some of us are doing more to call to attention things that the game's organisers might want to address. That doesn't mean we aren't having fun, hate the game, want it to fail, want others to move over to another server that some of us have never played, or anything of the sort!

It means we want the game to be better because we like it, have identified room for improvement (whether that's through fixing a deficiency or bug, or making something good better), and would like for that improvement to happen so others like it more as well.

On another note, it should be mentioned that some of the things the community are discussing lately should not wait a year before we raise them to attention. Were we to do so, the natural response from both other players and perhaps the game's organisers would be "Who cares? That was something from a year ago. If you cared so much, why didn't you mention it back then?"

I have started to notice some people attaching P2W to this game. How is this game P2W? Not understanding how that is so.

@RainGnyu said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

I have started to notice some people attaching P2W to this game. How is this game P2W? Not understanding how that is so.

I only seen one person say that. In the threads I've read, usually when p2w is mentioned, they are talking about the SEA server.

I do remember some people talking about some of the augmenting items from scratches like the ones thar grant attack and def receptor in the SG scratch and some people saw the Support Scratch as borderline. You could make an argument on those perhaps. I wouldn't go as far as p2w personally.

@RainGnyu said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

I have started to notice some people attaching P2W to this game. How is this game P2W? Not understanding how that is so.

Yeah i've not seen that. Probably link some kind of sources so people don't just assume you're attempting to stir the pot.

@Penndragon87 said in Just have fun! Give it a year!:

This is the main reason I do not post on the forums here. There is more right in this game then wrong. Its fine to give feedback to the developer but the lengths people go out to here in attempt to make others hate the game they still play is mind blowing.

It is kind of like night and day - you go into game (atleast on Ship 1), and everyone's having a good time, making stupid jokes at Quna's concerts, chatting it up in the lobbies, overall enjoying themselves.

You come to the forums, and it's like night and day. That said, I am having quite a bit of fun with PSO2. Still need to fifnish the rest of Episode 3 (finished the main plot the other night, saw the credits, now working towards getting a more viable sub class up for my Braver before going onto the post story content), and at some point want to start farming for something that's not an Arch Weapon to carry me into Epsiode 4.

SG politics aside, PSO2 is simply a fun game, and I'm super glad I've finally gotten a chance to play it.

@Blade-Syphon

Yeah everytime I boot up PSO2 on my xbox I still get the "wow I can't believe i'm playing this on here" moment. Very much one of those long shot moments that you rarely see happen.

@Knight-Raime

Phil Spencer is truly the hero we don't deserve (but I'm super happy we have him all the same).