PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE

@Ranmaru said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

I actually agree with Knight on this one. I will be vocal about my opinions of the game, and will do my best to be smart with my investment in the game, but I will likely still be playing the whole year, I love PSO.

This is basically my outlook too. Observational research has shown time and again that boycotts rarely work. F*** anyone who tries to tell me how I can spend my own money.

Eh, if it fails i'll just go back to JP. It's not like the game wont be available even if NA shuts down. Not Episode 7 will hopefully bring some cool things to beat up on JP, and i don't care on which server i beat it up on. It might actually be nice to play with an entirely mute community for a change again.

EA---I mean Sega doesnt care, they just want our wallets, they will nickel and dime and rape our pockets till we stop spending on their dumb shit.

I always wait before spending on a free gsme to see how their monetization scheme pans out...

I don't like lootboxes, but at least the scratch items could be bought from the market.

The untradeable items being in the mission pass was ok since it wasn't rng.

Now I've determined I will not support this scheme financially. And I am not feeling very interested in logging on anymore.

@Lorient said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

@Ranmaru said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

I actually agree with Knight on this one. I will be vocal about my opinions of the game, and will do my best to be smart with my investment in the game, but I will likely still be playing the whole year, I love PSO.

This is basically my outlook too. Observational research has shown time and again that boycotts rarely work. F*** anyone who tries to tell me how I can spend my own money.

Yep, and someone said that JP had this same thing happen, and there was back lash. I hope that the future content simply improves on this and we'll be good and dandy.

@Efreet2695 said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

@Knight-Raime it's kinda funny because it's obvious that the only opinion they care about is from the people buying scratches, as long as you all keep your wallet open for SEGA they're going to keep exploiting you disregarding other aspects of the management.
Just a little food for thoughts, also they care almost nothing for people paying premium, it's pocket money compared to a few pulls in any scratch.

I'm almost 30 years old. I've done the whole "vote with your wallet" schtick a handful of times. Nothing changed. Video games are escapism for me. I'm not going to spend my time away from life's hell hole trying to fight the good fight. I will give my opinion on something when and where I can. It's done me just fine in the past. You do as you please. I'll continue to spend money when and where I feel like I can and want to.

@Knight-Raime said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

I've done the whole "vote with your wallet" schtick a handful of times. Nothing changed.

I tell you one thing that changed though; the cumulative amount of money you didn't spend from those was probably ultimately put to better use.

I wouldn't call what I'm doing with PSO2 "voting with my wallet". I have spent perhaps a fifth of what I would have so far if PC had been included from February onwards, but much of that came from not having access to a game to spend money on it in the first place. The rest is caution arising from continued PC treatment that has room for improvement. Last week I was about to drop $60 on the founders pack until I realised the mission pass revival is a hoax. It's not about sending a message so much as just not feeling personally comfortable spending that kind of money while upset, you know?

The silly thing is reassurance that isn't vague would go such a long way. They must know the roadmap announcement was both well-received and has spared them a ton of people complaining and asking when Episode 4 is going to arrive. So it's baffling that they haven't adopted this strategy every time they make a mess of releasing or reviving something.

Like a few other posters in this thread I'm too ingrained into Phantasy Star to up and leave, and I do remain highly satisfied that the game is entertaining and thusfar well-balanced on NA. This is not the Blue Burst which was a sixth-version release of a dated game or Universe where the gameplay was a big unbalanced disappointment. It has mileage as long as it is opened up to a wider audience and treats the players with a modicum of respect.

The game only had a 10 year plan in Japan. Once that runs out, NA is sol. So it makes sense they'll milk it now, since the end is guaranteed.

@Star-Platinum said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

The game only had a 10 year plan in Japan. Once that runs out, NA is sol. So it makes sense they'll milk it now, since the end is guaranteed.

Source? Im not saying you are wrong, just that this is the first time I am hearing this. Japan has kept other MMOs around for much longer. If there was an interview stating this I would like to read it to put things into perspective for myself.

No. I generally disagree with what OP said. Because you really underestimated how small a group of power players (basically who spend crazy amount of money) there should be to keep a game "survive". You can see in some popular blocks, there are still many people getting awesome outfits from the new pricey SG scratch tickets. For F2P players, this game already treats them real good compared to the other MMOs. F2P players get to buy almost all the cosmetic gears (originated from real money) through in-game currency. How awesome is that! Now that the game brings some a bit exclusive items for P2P players, I don't see a problem. No one forces anyone to buy them. Some people thinks they are being rubbed because they still want those good-looking outfits.

Here I have two thoughts: 1.Maybe being appreciative of what the game already has? 2.When being a F2P player, what do you contribute to the game to make it survive other than playing a role of an AI-powered NPC for P2P player?

Don't get me wrong, I'm very casual to the game and usually don't spend money. But thinking of the two questions myself makes me appreciative of the game I'm already playing. really.

@Miraglyth said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

@Knight-Raime said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

I've done the whole "vote with your wallet" schtick a handful of times. Nothing changed.

I tell you one thing that changed though; the cumulative amount of money you didn't spend from those was probably ultimately put to better use.

I wouldn't call what I'm doing with PSO2 "voting with my wallet". I have spent perhaps a fifth of what I would have so far if PC had been included from February onwards, but much of that came from not having access to a game to spend money on it in the first place. The rest is caution arising from continued PC treatment that has room for improvement. Last week I was about to drop $60 on the founders pack until I realised the mission pass revival is a hoax. It's not about sending a message so much as just not feeling personally comfortable spending that kind of money while upset, you know?

The silly thing is reassurance that isn't vague would go such a long way. They must know the roadmap announcement was both well-received and has spared them a ton of people complaining and asking when Episode 4 is going to arrive. So it's baffling that they haven't adopted this strategy every time they make a mess of releasing or reviving something.

Like a few other posters in this thread I'm too ingrained into Phantasy Star to up and leave, and I do remain highly satisfied that the game is entertaining and thusfar well-balanced on NA. This is not the Blue Burst which was a sixth-version release of a dated game or Universe where the gameplay was a big unbalanced disappointment. It has mileage as long as it is opened up to a wider audience and treats the players with a modicum of respect.

Potentially, but it's not like I regret my purchases. I won't say i've never made a hasty purchase but I usually do think on things before I buy. If AC items on the player market explode because of this change my motivation to play will probably fizzle out though.

@Nick2703 said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

No. I generally disagree with what OP said. Because you really underestimated how small a group of power players (basically who spend crazy amount of money) there should be to keep a game "survive". You can see in some popular blocks, there are still many people getting awesome outfits from the new pricey SG scratch tickets. For F2P players, this game already treats them real good compared to the other MMOs. F2P players get to buy almost all the cosmetic gears (originated from real money) through in-game currency. How awesome is that! Now that the game brings some a bit exclusive items for P2P players, I don't see a problem. No one forces anyone to buy them. Some people thinks they are being rubbed because they still want those good-looking outfits.

Here I have two thoughts: 1.Maybe being appreciative of what the game already has? 2.When being a F2P player, what do you contribute to the game to make it survive other than playing a role of an AI-powered NPC for P2P player?

Don't get me wrong, I'm very casual to the game and usually don't spend money. But thinking of the two questions myself makes me appreciative of the game I'm already playing. really.

Except you are forgetting one very crucial detail: They are treating us less than the Japanese servers. We are missing avenues of SG income that the JP server has for no good reason. For example, the Casino in the JP server offers SG weekly for casino coins.

We are being vocal because we want the game to succeed. If you look at past games in the series, the western versions shut down because the players were treated as second rate citizens. This is not the first time.

Furthermore, it is not just F2P players that are complaining. Paying players are complaining as well. I have purchased the founder pack, I have purchased multiple months of premium. I have purchased multiple scratch tickets. I found the current monetization around SG to be disgusting. And I am sure as hell going to be vocal about this.

@Archetype-Luna said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

@Nick2703 said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

No. I generally disagree with what OP said. Because you really underestimated how small a group of power players (basically who spend crazy amount of money) there should be to keep a game "survive". You can see in some popular blocks, there are still many people getting awesome outfits from the new pricey SG scratch tickets. For F2P players, this game already treats them real good compared to the other MMOs. F2P players get to buy almost all the cosmetic gears (originated from real money) through in-game currency. How awesome is that! Now that the game brings some a bit exclusive items for P2P players, I don't see a problem. No one forces anyone to buy them. Some people thinks they are being rubbed because they still want those good-looking outfits.

Here I have two thoughts: 1.Maybe being appreciative of what the game already has? 2.When being a F2P player, what do you contribute to the game to make it survive other than playing a role of an AI-powered NPC for P2P player?

Don't get me wrong, I'm very casual to the game and usually don't spend money. But thinking of the two questions myself makes me appreciative of the game I'm already playing. really.

Except you are forgetting one very crucial detail: They are treating us less than the Japanese servers. We are missing avenues of SG income that the JP server has for no good reason. For example, the Casino in the JP server offers SG weekly for casino coins.

We are being vocal because we want the game to succeed. If you look at past games in the series, the western versions shut down because the players were treated as second rate citizens. This is not the first time.

Furthermore, it is not just F2P players that are complaining. Paying players are complaining as well. I have purchased the founder pack, I have purchased multiple months of premium. I have purchased multiple scratch tickets. I found the current monetization around SG to be disgusting. And I am sure as hell going to be vocal about this.

I see your point but no one ever said that NA server should be run in exactly the same way as JP server, did they? I mean it's good to have the same benefits according to what you mentioned but if it's not, I don't think there's an issue with current NA server just because some cosmetic items are too pricey and no way to get them without real money? well it's just my personal opinion.

@Nick2703 I feel like a lot of disappointment with the game in general comes from JP players wanting the game to be exactly like the JP servers and being unhappy that they're not. I can agree with many of the arguements about the SG tickets, but at this point, the forums just feel like constant complaints.

@Lorient said in PSO2 NA specifically isn't gonna survive if it keeps up. GMs TAKE NOTICE:

@Nick2703 the forums just feel like constant complaints.

Then maybe there's something wrong with the game? Its more about the Devs making changes that screw over the players then it is the JP players complaining.

If everyone is upset with the way the servers being handled then maybe, just maybe, it might be the server and not the playerbase.

Just food for thought.