For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.

@Reilet said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

As an aside, rankings is the FASTEST way to get SG

I think Ranking maybe good for those who can excel to get it, but it definitely is not for everyone else who can't keep up. It's unfair for others who are casual players that can' earn other ways to get SGs.

@Z0DIAK-BRAVE said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

@PrinceBrightstar said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

Something I think a lot of people have missed is that SG didn't exist until episode 4 on the JP servers. It's possible the casino, miles, and battle point methods will be unlocked in the future.

Then they probably shouldn't have went the "gimme all the muney!" route and waited til episode 4 to release this scratch. 🤷

I do wonder how many of the current (at least perceived) problems are things that are planned to be addressed in the future. Perhaps they want to make casino SG seem like a new and shiny thing brought by Episode 4, for instance.

The trouble is without knowing better and caught up in a bit of upset, players are going to assume the worst and potentially leave before then. In some ways I hope casino SG is still coming but I do think waiting to share that information is harming the game. (Not only that but if it's a limited supply each week, delaying its release would mean we can use it less for this SG scratch).


@LapisWave said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

@Reilet said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

As an aside, rankings is the FASTEST way to get SG

I think Ranking maybe good for those who can excel to get it, but it definitely is not for everyone

Moreover if it was, everyone would now be doing it thanks to SG scratch so many of the people who previously enjoyed getting SG from it would be bumped down the rankings to either get less or none.

@Miraglyth said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

@Z0DIAK-BRAVE said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

@PrinceBrightstar said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

Something I think a lot of people have missed is that SG didn't exist until episode 4 on the JP servers. It's possible the casino, miles, and battle point methods will be unlocked in the future.

Then they probably shouldn't have went the "gimme all the muney!" route and waited til episode 4 to release this scratch. 🤷

I do wonder how many of the current (at least perceived) problems are things that are planned to be addressed in the future. Perhaps they want to make casino SG seem like a new and shiny thing brought by Episode 4, for instance.

The trouble is without knowing better and caught up in a bit of upset, players are going to assume the worst and potentially leave before then. In some ways I hope casino SG is still coming but I do think waiting to share that information is harming the game. (Not only that but if it's a limited supply each week, delaying its release would mean we can use it less for this SG scratch).

I personally don't see why they would want to make Casino SG be a new and shiny thing brought by Episode 4. Sure SG in the Casino wasn't a thing until EP4, but SG Scratch Tickets and SG in general weren't a thing until EP4. So yeah, I am with you on delaying the additional SG sources as being harmful tot he game. I can't see any positives from doing so.

@LapisWave

casual

For context, TA rankings give out SG to the top 100 placements. This is worth 20 SG for 10:39. One attempt.

So you're telling me this is too hard to do? I didn't use any movement PAs, I killed everything, didn't take any shortcuts, and set off all the traps.

Rankings are just going to get easier as times go on. I'm not saying ranking should be the only way to get SG, but that it's not as hard as people think it is... It never was because everyone has the same mentality of "OMG RANKINGS TRYHARDS ONLY." There's not enough people and there probably never will be. The only one that would be "kinda hard" would be CM rankings since people are still in the "Oh it's new content" mentality, and as such, there are a fair amount of people doing it. But once it dies, you'll probably be able to place top 50 with just clearing a few mobs in the first area just like in JP.

This took ~11 minutes for 20 SG compared to Casino which is easily over 2 hours (or however long it takes you to get 11,200cc) for 40 SG or Buster that is around ~5 hours at best for 100 SG.
If and when rankings actually become competitive to do, then I would agree with your statement. But it's not and even less so in JP.

@Lorient said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

Hell, players need to stop trying to compare NA to JP.

I got bad news for you. This issue in parity between NA and JP is why this game is only coming out 8 years after the fact. It can and WILL kill the game if NA gets treated in such a grossly backhanded way compared to JP. It was a problem with Blue Burst. It was a problem with Universe, which caused users to leave NA enmasse to either settle on the JP servers or go on to other games. Universe NA officially died 2 1/2 years before JP as a result. They did this with PSPortable 2, which the horrendously bad handling of caused the franchise to effectively die in the west until now.

Why do you think they announced the game for western release 8 years ago and then went radio silent for nearly a decade? Because they screwed the west so hard nobody wanted to invest time, effort, and money into the franchise anymore when they could just play JP instead. Sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending that this isn't a problem won't make it go away, it'll just repeat the cycle all over again.

@Reilet said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

This took ~11 minutes for 20 SG compared to Casino which is easily over 2 hours (or however long it takes you to get 11,200cc) for 40 SG or Buster that is around ~5 hours at best for 100 SG.

Surely the more important thing is how often you can get those?

You can think of it as 20 SG in 11 minutes, I think the more important thing is it's 20 SG per week (conditional on a qualifying time). The casino by contrast is 40 SG per week which is clearly better, and in conjunction that's 60 SG per week. Add in PSO2es for a further 7 SG per week.

At this point I'm going to remind everyone that Login Stamps exist and presumably are the same as on JP (Edit - They are). If so that's 60 SG every 30 stamps. Let's do a little dirty rounding with PSO2 days involved to say 30 stamps is 4 weeks without premium and 2 weeks with it, so with free you get 15 SG per week and with premium you get 30 SG per week in both JP and NA.

Between rankings (assuming 20), casino, PSO2es and login stamps you get 82 (free) or 97 (premium) SG per week on JP. With scratches lasting 6 months (26 weeks), those sources provide 27 or 32 scratches over the course of a set, plus whatever Buster quests and a bugger accumulation of of SG-providing campaigns give.

Between rankings (assuming 20) and login stamps you get 35 (free) or 50 (premium) SG per week on NA. With scratches lasting 8 weeks those reduced sources provide 3 or 5 scratches over the course of a set, with a shorter period to have SG campaigns. Oh and by the way unlike JP we're also asked to spend it on Fresh Finds.


Oh, my numbers are out. Because our SG scratch is a combination of two SG scratches on JP:

15 June to 14 June. That's a full year of JP SG scratch right there. 52 weeks! In that time the natural SG sources above pay for 53 (free) or 63 (premium) scratches.

And in the 8 weeks of our combined SG scratch, our reduced SG sources give us enough for... 3 or 5 scratches, if we don't spend any on Fresh Finds.

Yeah.

I think the game still has a chance, there is content and other platforms coming. They are working on voices. Most of the issues are minor, and not ones to jump to JP for just yet. (However, Microsoft Store issues come close to major) I've made my stance on SG Tickets (against), but I'm content with grinding the game still.

@Miraglyth Don't forget IDOLA for another 100 SG a week.

@Archetype-Luna said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

@Miraglyth Don't forget IDOLA for another 100 SG a week.

I'd never heard about that. 100 SG a week? That's huge. They give that for free?

A quick search tells me it's a phone app game released in late 2018, so if that's a consistent source we could include that in general but it might be worth considering that JP didn't have that when these two SG scratch sets were available.

@Miraglyth It's free. It is another mobile game with connections to PSO2 and you can earn rewards for PSO2 in it. It may have not been around back then, but it still has been around for a while. Also, since JP added SG in EP4, they would have PvP back then right?

Yes, PVP was announced as being one of the several features coming with Episode 4. @Archetype-Luna

As for the whole topic in general.... playing devil's advocate, details regarding a Steam release were present in the manual before they were removed but it doesn't mean we aren't getting a Steam release (it was announced) or that the page may be re-inserted at a later point.

IDOLA have limit on 100 SG a week before it refreshes, but you dont actually have enough points to get all 100 every week. You are capped 10000 IDOLA points per week.

The first 50SG are for 10SG per 800 points total of 4000

Then second half are for 5SG per 800 points total of 8000

Combined total 12000 which is 2000 points your weekly limit

So TECHNICALLY you can get up to 100 SG in a week but cannot do it every week. I personally only get the first 50 per week and save the rest for lobby action/accessories/music disc. One of the lobby action is 100k points, takes awhile to save that high at 6k/week.

Casino is 1000 cc for the first 10, then 1700 cc for 5 on the other 30. Can take long but if you're lucky on ARKUMA slot you can be set for months/years in 1 run.

Battle Arena is 200 points for 10 on the first 50, then 200 for 5 on the second 50. I never got high rank, I think its around 100 if you win and then get contribution bonus added on top of that. At the end of matches you can pick a buff from a set of cards - some give you items, some gives you boost in battle arena points for your next run +50% +100% etc.

Buster Quest is 40 medals for 10 on the first 50, then 40 medals for 5 on the second 50 - I never really farmed this hard. I think by the time they added SG to the shop, people were already disgusted with buster quests and only really do the Urgents. But I heard it scales for solo now? Not too sure. Buster quest have buster rank points to maintain to unlock higher grade/difficulties, if you lose or disconnects - you lose points. It used to be you need to have capped points for the highest rank, but they since then allowed you to go over the cap for some buffer.

People forget one thing tho: Mission Pass (ya season 5 was a little messed up but still) can give you a free 200 SG per pass if you buy premium or "technically" a free gold pass for f2p player - on top of a couple consumables+fashion+emotes etc - all technically for free or coming with a big SG bonus if youre premium - to those who still feel hurt about SG or are unpatient to wait for Ep4 for a "highly possible SG increase" - look at the other side of the coin. We are just a few weeks away for the next big update and the SG scratch gonna last a couple days after it. And who knows with all the feedback you are sending them in (directly through support) they might increase the duration of the SG scratch for a month or longer so everyone who is interested in this one can keep up the grind and grab the goodies they want.

@LapisWave said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

@Reilet said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

@LapisWave said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

Ranking rewards are no SGs.

No, they don't have challenge mode too.

But they give SG...

Far as I've been told. Only in JP.

Also I do actually want to mention that not only do each weekly ranking rewards SG each week even for placing within top ~100 or so (2-10th gets 50 sg and if you manage to get 1st you get 100 SG) but it's actually a per ship thing too, while SG is account bound. So what I have been doing is basically ranking TA + CM1+CM2 on ship 1 and 2 to get anywhere from 40 sg lowest to 800 sg highest depending on where I rank each week. All I have to do is play the game.

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I also want to share the sentiment that a lot of stuff to get SG from does come from EP4+, so unless NA really does kinda screw us over here later on we will get more sources for SG. Battle mode alone apparently rewards a lot of SG itself, which is nice.

However I still also wholly agree that right now, at least for casual players there's very little sources for SG and their amount is quite low. I do think the bigger problem here is just how pricey and really just predatory the cost of both Fresh Finds/SG Scratches are at the moment, but it definitely needs to be addressed very soon.

@JuggernautGTX said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

People forget one thing tho: Mission Pass (ya season 5 was a little messed up but still) can give you a free 200 SG per pass if you buy premium or "technically" a free gold pass for f2p player - on top of a couple consumables+fashion+emotes etc - all technically for free or coming with a big SG bonus if youre premium - to those who still feel hurt about SG or are unpatient to wait for Ep4 for a "highly possible SG increase" - look at the other side of the coin. We are just a few weeks away for the next big update and the SG scratch gonna last a couple days after it. And who knows with all the feedback you are sending them in (directly through support) they might increase the duration of the SG scratch for a month or longer so everyone who is interested in this one can keep up the grind and grab the goodies they want.

There is only one mission pass a month and that SG isn't a net gain unless you either don't buy the gold pass or have premium. Sure you get a bunch of additional items, and the mission pass overall is a great addition to the game, but when you really look at how much SG you can gain in JP which can go towards thing like material storage...

Like we really can't get complacent because of what they may do and just assume that they extend the duration. A wait and see approach is really risky. After all, people already warned about releasing the SG scratch in the current state of SG and they made it even worse by combining two scratches into one with only 2 months on it.

It is really hard to have any faith right now after this screw up. Like if they had given us casino SG and PvP SG, which would mean waiting till EP4, and not have such a short duration and not combine the pools, we wouldn't be so hard on them right now.

The mission pass was honestly why I felt that premium was worth the increased cost and built a lot of faith towards NA and why I was willing to buy the sonic pack, multiple ragol packs, and so on. All that good faith vanished with the SG scratch.