For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.

@Lorient said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

Hell, players need to stop trying to compare NA to JP.

With the NA version microtransactions being much more aggressive than the JP ones, of course people are gonna compare NA to JP. There's no reason for NA to have it worse than JP, especially since the current content on NA is already made.

You say players need to stop trying to compare NA to JP? Well, I say players like you need to stop defending corporations.

@LapisWave said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

Ranking rewards are no SGs.

No, they don't have challenge mode too.

But they give SG...

@Lorient said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

Hell, players need to stop trying to compare NA to JP.

That would be true if we couldn't go ahead and install the JP version right now and play it in English with all of the companion apps and none of the extra predatory monetization. The JP version should be seen as competitive to the NA version.

@Z0DIAK-BRAVE said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

@Lorient said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

I've seen you post the same thing on completely unrelated posts on the official Twitter. After a while, a broken record starts to sound grating.

and thank God for ppl like @Miraglyth bringing BS to attention. If he's a record imma play that !@#$ on repeat. Keep it up.

Thank you for the appreciation but for what it's worth Lorient is right that I once brought up that issue in response to an unrelated tweet. I had to look back to see I'd done it myself. In my upset I had forgotten!

I will try to keep the matter to appropriate places. On that note we should probably get back to the casino SG removal.


@Ezodagrom said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

@Lorient said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

Hell, players need to stop trying to compare NA to JP.

With the NA version microtransactions being much more aggressive than the JP ones, of course people are gonna compare NA to JP. There's no reason for NA to have it worse than JP, especially since the current content on NA is already made.

It really does come down to this. To extend the point: PSO2 is seen at least by the western world as successful in Japan, is it not? Being 8 years old and still standing.

If they have a winning formula on their hands, why change it at all? Let alone in ways that are highly exposed to being called predatory even by its players, which we are seeing happen this week.

Moreover if they changed nothing, the fact that it would be the same as JP would give them a natural defense against such claims as players would be kept on-board and employ that fact to defend the game. So that's a PR protection they are presently willingly discarding.

I received 10 SG for finishing 22nd in the team time ranking on Monday, and a further 10 SG for finishing 26th in solo time ranking.

A friend of mine received 50 SG for finishing... I think 6th or 8th? In the ranking for CM Strike on Monday.

@Miraglyth said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

I received 10 SG for finishing 22nd in the team time ranking on Monday, and a further 10 SG for finishing 26th in solo time ranking.

A friend of mine received 50 SG for finishing... I think 6th or 8th? In the ranking for CM Strike on Monday.

So how does this help anyone from buying anything related to SG related? Because it sounds like you still get small amount and unable to even pay for fresh finds and sg scratch

scratches head

I'm gonna be honest. The only thing I disliked about the SG gacha was that the items were no-trade. I purchased some AC without looking, realized it was SG-only, converted to SG on top of my existing SG, and did a stack. Got something I thought would get a good price but didn't really want for myself, went to the store and found it was no-trade. I'm bummed, but I know for next time.

Seriously, that's it.

I feel like I'm missing something. When I poke into the Fresh Finds shop, there's a specific item or two I'm keeping an eye out for. And sometimes I impulse buy. But I don't feel the need to buy EVERY. STINKIN. LAST. ITEM. And so far the SG I've made just playing the game has been enough to get what I want from it.

All this whining and screaming about "it's not fair"... I don't care what was in Japan (And I did play it briefly and don't remember the SG earnings being all that different, regardless of supposed methods to earn them.) Seriously. Stop. You're not some victim who has been horribly oppressed. You're playing a video game, a free-to-play MMO. You're not obligated to spend money on star gems. There's an enormous pile of fashion you can get without them. And knowing how gacha games usually roll, even if 2 months isn't long enough for you to grind up to 40, I'm sure you'll see the non-licensed gachas come around again.

On one last note: The gachas in this game are much more fair than other games I have played. Other games I play fill their gachas with a massive pile of unavoidable trash (such as potions or other objectively worthless items) and you're ridiculously lucky if you land one of the featured items. In PSO2 I seem to get the outfits more often than not, and the "trash", when I get it, seems to be mostly grinding buffs. I can live with that.

@Policroma-Sol said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

scratches head

I'm gonna be honest. The only thing I disliked about the SG gacha was that the items were no-trade. I purchased some AC without looking, realized it was SG-only, converted to SG on top of my existing SG, and did a stack. Got something I thought would get a good price but didn't really want for myself, went to the store and found it was no-trade. I'm bummed, but I know for next time.

Seriously, that's it.

I feel like I'm missing something. When I poke into the Fresh Finds shop, there's a specific item or two I'm keeping an eye out for. And sometimes I impulse buy. But I don't feel the need to buy EVERY. STINKIN. LAST. ITEM. And so far the SG I've made just playing the game has been enough to get what I want from it.

All this whining and screaming about "it's not fair"... I don't care what was in Japan (And I did play it briefly and don't remember the SG earnings being all that different, regardless of supposed methods to earn them.) Seriously. Stop. You're not some victim who has been horribly oppressed. You're playing a video game, a free-to-play MMO. You're not obligated to spend money on star gems. There's an enormous pile of fashion you can get without them. And knowing how gacha games usually roll, even if 2 months isn't long enough for you to grind up to 40, I'm sure you'll see the non-licensed gachas come around again.

On one last note: The gachas in this game are much more fair than other games I have played. Other games I play fill their gachas with a massive pile of unavoidable trash (such as potions or other objectively worthless items) and you're ridiculously lucky if you land one of the featured items. In PSO2 I seem to get the outfits more often than not, and the "trash", when I get it, seems to be mostly grinding buffs. I can live with that.

Sorry, but I am not going to stop. If you actually look at JP right now, you'll note that there are many more ways to gain SG. Immediately, you'll notice that there are SG via the Casino and via the companion games, PSO2es and Idola. Perhaps you played before they began adding in all of the ways to get SG in response to the backlash from the Japanese player base around when SG was introduced. While you may not care about how it is compared to the NA version, but a number of us do because we remember the series' track record with localization.

Also, if we do the math, assuming 3 characters and 30 sg a day from 3 costumes a day, 60 days for 2 months... that is 1800 SG. That's enough for 22 rolls. I doubt the login bonuses and mission pass will make up for that either as that is a total of 1440 SG they need to make up. This is also just for 40 rolls.

However, the biggest things to draw from this is that we are being treated as less than the JP player base. There is no reason why we should be monetized so much more aggressively.

@LapisWave said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

So how does this help anyone from buying anything related to SG related?

I just wanted to provide the correct information to conclude a short series of posts that disagreed on whether or not those things gave any SG on NA.

If you want me to comment on how much of an SG source it is... on its own, it's not much. And it only goes to a limited number of players every week. But it was meant to be one of many sources provided on JP that accumulate to a more significant total. It's not the rankings' fault we don't have casino SG.

Something I think a lot of people have missed is that SG didn't exist until episode 4 on the JP servers. It's possible the casino, miles, and battle point methods will be unlocked in the future.

@PrinceBrightstar said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

Something I think a lot of people have missed is that SG didn't exist until episode 4 on the JP servers. It's possible the casino, miles, and battle point methods will be unlocked in the future.

Then they probably shouldn't have went the "gimme all the muney!" route and waited til episode 4 to release this scratch. 🤷

@Policroma-Sol said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

scratches head

I'm gonna be honest. The only thing I disliked about the SG gacha was that the items were no-trade. I purchased some AC without looking, realized it was SG-only, converted to SG on top of my existing SG, and did a stack. Got something I thought would get a good price but didn't really want for myself, went to the store and found it was no-trade. I'm bummed, but I know for next time.

Seriously, that's it.

I feel like I'm missing something. When I poke into the Fresh Finds shop, there's a specific item or two I'm keeping an eye out for. And sometimes I impulse buy. But I don't feel the need to buy EVERY. STINKIN. LAST. ITEM. And so far the SG I've made just playing the game has been enough to get what I want from it.

All this whining and screaming about "it's not fair"... I don't care what was in Japan (And I did play it briefly and don't remember the SG earnings being all that different, regardless of supposed methods to earn them.) Seriously. Stop. You're not some victim who has been horribly oppressed. You're playing a video game, a free-to-play MMO. You're not obligated to spend money on star gems. There's an enormous pile of fashion you can get without them. And knowing how gacha games usually roll, even if 2 months isn't long enough for you to grind up to 40, I'm sure you'll see the non-licensed gachas come around again.

On one last note: The gachas in this game are much more fair than other games I have played. Other games I play fill their gachas with a massive pile of unavoidable trash (such as potions or other objectively worthless items) and you're ridiculously lucky if you land one of the featured items. In PSO2 I seem to get the outfits more often than not, and the "trash", when I get it, seems to be mostly grinding buffs. I can live with that.

"I don't understand the issue but let me speak for you." Lol alright.

Poor arguments by the way. No one is looking to own literally everything. So that's bunk. Other games doing their stuff worse doesn't excuse bad practices here. So bunk.

The outrage is because people were already not fond of how SG's are being handled. The only viable explanation we had for the different monotization practices prior to the SG scratches was the fact that NA has fresh finds and mission passes. These additions makes things understandable to be different. That's out the window with SG scratch. Which everyone had assumed to be replaced by these additions just as the Treasure shop was removed.

Sega is effectively doubling down on squeezing people for money. They removed ways to earn SG's. They hosted "sales" of bundles that didn't exist prior to them being put in store for a VERY short few days and then to be removed shortly after. And now they give us a scratch that has 2 scratches worth of items (thus bloating the pool to further make it difficult to net the item you want,) and shortened the scratch to 2 months compared to JP that runs theirs for 6. It's so incredibly and blatently obvious on what they're doing.

So lets be perfectly clear here, it's not that you don't "understand" the outrage. You just don't care about it. And you feel justified enough in your own feelings that it's not enough for you to be fine with it. you want OTHERS to be fine with it to. So instead of just keeping quiet you have to come here and tell people their feelings are wrong and not justified.

Because people in JP outraged about Sega only wanting Scion classes to be end game viable Sega balanced the original classes to also be end game viable. because JP complained about SG problems Sega gave them more ways to earn SG. Because we complained about maitenance times Sega changed them to what they are now. Sega needs our feedback in order for NA to be successful. Otherwise anyone who actually cares enough about PSO2 will just switch to JP servers because it's not difficult and due to lovely people is also fully translated. Which will kill off NA and thus ruining the point of bringing it here in the first place.

@PrinceBrightstar said in For those who are expecting "We'll maybe get other ways to get SGs", because NA Manual originally had casino in it: They removed it.:

Something I think a lot of people have missed is that SG didn't exist until episode 4 on the JP servers. It's possible the casino, miles, and battle point methods will be unlocked in the future.

We got the rebalanced classes very early. We didn't have to deal with NT versus non NT because we also happened to get the better and revised enhancement systems. This is not an excuse. This is pure greed and it needs to be complained about so they know it's not okay.

@LapisWave

I can tell you for a fact that they give SG because I get SG every week from them.

As an aside, rankings is the FASTEST way to get SG. The amount of SG you get from other sources (casino, buster, costumes, whatever else) is even less than rankings especially for the time and effort it takes.