SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?

My thoughts.

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My thought right now I guess.... It's not too late to go back to JP, only 6 month and 5 levels on each class behind.

@DHG-MumfordsSon said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@Zenny said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@DHG-MumfordsSon said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

Cosmetics. Don’t want to pay for it? Don’t. You can get 120 Sg a day for most people.

I'm sorry but "most" people do not get 120 sg a day.

A majority of people I know all have 5 alt characters. At least the top market players I notice in shops or groups. All? Maybe not.

SG has always been in JP. You can’t pick and choose what they send over. It’s still ALL COSMETIC. Don’t buy it. Idk what theory debate or terminology you want to use but this is every loot crate based system ever. Even if you can’t sell them. Just don’t buy them. I mean it’s really not hard to control the impulse. I know everyone wants free handouts and everyone wants to have the same things, but that’s dumb. Some people will probably take pride in having a thing or two that only they and a select few have. More power to them.

It’s a free to play game with cosmetic micro transactions. They had SG scratch in JP for years. There are multiple ways even now to get SG. Clothes. Story. 75 class quests, skill point quests per class. And many more to be added. They also give them out frequently. I don’t see the issue. Unless people want everything they ever see right now and right then and the easiest way possible than yeah, sure. But if everyone’s going to quit over it or not spend money, now is the time.

The markets over saturated and episode 4 is a month off. Plenty of time for everyone to quit with this coming out this soon.

Most people do not have 5 alts; your majority is skewed.

SG has not always been in JP either and it is not all cosmetics; you need SG for the Material Storage which becomes increasingly important if you want to do any kind of crafting. Also, SG was added to JP in episode 4; it was not there from the beginning.

Also, compared to JP, we barely get any SG. Clothes take a day to get 10 sg each, most people will only have 3 characters, so 30 sg a day. Title SGs should never count as they are not repeatable and thus do not count towards an income. There is no reason why the Casino should not be giving us SG right now; why ARKs league is not active. We also won't have the SG income from IDOLA or PSO2es. Furthermore, they put in more items and gave less time for the scratch; JP has these scratches going on for 6 months with less items in them so not only do they get more SG a day, have a higher chance of pulling what they want, and have more time to collect SG to pull what they want.

This is not something you should white knight. It is a serious issue as it shows that they are becoming more and more predatory with the monetization of the game. The items should at the very least be tradable so you can sell what you don't want instead of having the awful SG recycle shop.

I hope no one buys from the SG scratch ticket so they know how horrible of an idea this was. We have been very vocal about this and we got no communication back. We barely gotten any communication back at all. This is incredibly troubling. Honestly, maybe we should quit, see if we can force them to try and change things. The JP server exists and tweaker has English translations; more content, a better market, less predatory monetization. The only issue would be increased latency.

Honestly, I think the only way to really make them change courses is to bring the game to the brink of ruin, to try and force some changes.

The reason it works fine on JP @ SG scratch is because there's a lot of ways in order to obtain SG, and they even give SG out like candy over there in campaigns.

Here...? LOL Not so much. Already had a friend quit (don't blame them) because this is just insane levels of predatory.

It's sad, I see items I want and I have the urge to scratch on SG, because it's not inherently horrible, but there's so many other SG consumption factors in NA that SG Scratch is overkill.

@LapisWave said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

I surely feel that devs think NA players are extremely rich. richer than JP players do, to a point that they'll spend hundreds of dollars for SGs.

I knew this was going to happen, and it's utterly hilarious and yet upsetting at the same time for their attempt.

Ironically it's probably the opposite, they know NA will spend way less money on average so they went out their way to squeeze dry the few that were already willing to pay, there are already a few completionist who buy the full fresh find lineup every single day.

It's pretty depressing seeing this stuff from a newly released game, not that i was expecting any better seeing how the release was managed.
2 months without a single fix beside the lobby lag.

Actually i should thank Microsoft, if they didn't made so convoluted buying stuff from the EU i would have already splunged quite a bit, now that's their true intentions are pretty clear i'll refrain to spend on NA and even EU (IF ) it gets released.

EDIT:
For people who says Outfits are enough i beg to differ, i was diligently using clown outfit every day to get a few extra SG; after a week there were no more cheap female outfit so i kept going with my two male chars but every time we miss a weekly new scratch you can't buy cheap outfit anymore.
After the first support AC i tried to stockpile extra costumes for the void week but there aren't enough people selling cheap crap and too many buying so no extra SG this week for me (for less aware/diligent people stuff are even worse).

Utter disgrace, They should be an SG shop rather than a scratch, 4 dollars a spin 40 required for a ticket, untradable 4-5 piece sets outside of junk filler items.

You do the maths even if you get 2 or 3 items of a set you actually want, thats 2 tickets required for the items you do want, and for the pieces you don't want or need? Jokes on you SG trade shop has garbage items and thats all you can use them for.

Its at the point now where I am in a sunk cost fallacy already, but this is crossing a line big enough that if this is not changed before the next one comes around I am out, if the game uninstall's itself or break's itself between then and now I am also out, fix your damn launcher and your damn pricing model you hacks.

@Signar said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

All I can say is vote with your wallets. Don't buy SG. That simple.

We already fail... there are already multiple people in the lobby doing all the 3 different emotes

I tried to believe in the NA server.

Looks like it may go downhill, and fast. Not just walking down the hill, but rolling Sonic speed down the hill.

We already are drying up on renewable SG. Even if people were willing to spend their SG, they can't. They don't have it. Not unless they buy it with $.

I already can't afford the material storage since the fresh finds is gouging me.

If they split it into a male/female scratch, so there's less items in them and you're more likely to get something that fits for your gender, I'd be more inclined to purchase star gems. I did 4 scratches this morning and I got all female clothes, so I swapped them and there's just nothing I can buy thats worthwhile with the recycle badges.

I would be decidedly less angry if the SG scratch items were marketable on the Personal Shop.

Speaking as someone who spent money on the unspeakable horror known as Cosmic Break, I've got some very low standards for gacha games. Cosmic Break's biggest failing was and still is its gacha system wherein the items acquired with real money are untradeable by any means, so rolling the high-tier gachas in the game always ran the risk of you getting a lot of completely worthless junk, with no way to offload it or convert it into something equal to the effort. PSO2's FUN and AC scratches are good because they don't have this limitation, but not only do the SG scratch items enforce it, the prices per roll are overblown as all hell - $4 USD per roll is awful, $160 USD for the pick ticket is atrocious. And don't start about the Swap Shop, because their selection for SG items is equally bad.

The long and short of it is that they've somehow made a gacha system worse than Cosmic Break's and done it with a straight face. There is no defending this. This is a MMO, not a high-end casino.

Terrible idea, to my eyes it's pretty clear that they are just trying to milk as much as they can from this version of the game while it still has a somewhat decent number of players.

Not cool SEGA.

  • Limited ways to get SG.

  • Very expensive to buy with real money.

  • Not tradeable!

  • Still have trash like boosts in the pool.

@Archetype-Luna said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@DHG-MumfordsSon said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@Zenny said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@DHG-MumfordsSon said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

Cosmetics. Don’t want to pay for it? Don’t. You can get 120 Sg a day for most people.

I'm sorry but "most" people do not get 120 sg a day.

A majority of people I know all have 5 alt characters. At least the top market players I notice in shops or groups. All? Maybe not.

SG has always been in JP. You can’t pick and choose what they send over. It’s still ALL COSMETIC. Don’t buy it. Idk what theory debate or terminology you want to use but this is every loot crate based system ever. Even if you can’t sell them. Just don’t buy them. I mean it’s really not hard to control the impulse. I know everyone wants free handouts and everyone wants to have the same things, but that’s dumb. Some people will probably take pride in having a thing or two that only they and a select few have. More power to them.

It’s a free to play game with cosmetic micro transactions. They had SG scratch in JP for years. There are multiple ways even now to get SG. Clothes. Story. 75 class quests, skill point quests per class. And many more to be added. They also give them out frequently. I don’t see the issue. Unless people want everything they ever see right now and right then and the easiest way possible than yeah, sure. But if everyone’s going to quit over it or not spend money, now is the time.

The markets over saturated and episode 4 is a month off. Plenty of time for everyone to quit with this coming out this soon.

Most people do not have 5 alts; your majority is skewed.

SG has not always been in JP either and it is not all cosmetics; you need SG for the Material Storage which becomes increasingly important if you want to do any kind of crafting. Also, SG was added to JP in episode 4; it was not there from the beginning.

Also, compared to JP, we barely get any SG. Clothes take a day to get 10 sg each, most people will only have 3 characters, so 30 sg a day. Title SGs should never count as they are not repeatable and thus do not count towards an income. There is no reason why the Casino should not be giving us SG right now; why ARKs league is not active. We also won't have the SG income from IDOLA or PSO2es. Furthermore, they put in more items and gave less time for the scratch; JP has these scratches going on for 6 months with less items in them so not only do they get more SG a day, have a higher chance of pulling what they want, and have more time to collect SG to pull what they want.

This is not something you should white knight. It is a serious issue as it shows that they are becoming more and more predatory with the monetization of the game. The items should at the very least be tradable so you can sell what you don't want instead of having the awful SG recycle shop.

I hope no one buys from the SG scratch ticket so they know how horrible of an idea this was. We have been very vocal about this and we got no communication back. We barely gotten any communication back at all. This is incredibly troubling. Honestly, maybe we should quit, see if we can force them to try and change things. The JP server exists and tweaker has English translations; more content, a better market, less predatory monetization. The only issue would be increased latency.

Honestly, I think the only way to really make them change courses is to bring the game to the brink of ruin, to try and force some changes.

If you think this is a “serious issue” then I don’t have much else to say to you. Either play it free completely and never spend anything or invest in some alts. I played JP for quite awhile and crafted and never spent any money, ever, for material storage.

Pay for the convenience or don’t play at all. Spend the extra $50 for alts and store it there. And if you’ve never spent any money on AC then you can’t expert every single thing to be 100% free. Name another loot based mmo, ever, where every single cosmetic was easy to get or there were even any other means to get them. There aren’t many, if any.

This isn’t white knighting. It’s simply still all cosmetic and doesn’t effect gameplay at all. It would take you 30 minutes a day with 12 characters to get 120sg.. do that for a week you’ll have THREE MONTHS of storage.

I know, I know that takes time and money. Then don’t play or expect everything you deem necessary to be easily obtainable. Every option for everything in this game isn’t unobtainable. I haven’t had anything yet that was hard to get. Even with a base 3 characters, it’s manageable. 30sg a day for a week is 210. 3 month material store is like 720. A month. Not that long to get 3 months. Then you have 3 more months to slow down and get it before it runs out.

The complaints here aren’t justified. They never will be. There is absolutely no reason why cosmetics should just be handed out or storage in a free game that you don’t want to pay for. And if that isn’t the case then get 9 alts and get SG daily. Problem solved.

You can’t have it both ways.

@Thrashinuva said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

I tried to believe in the NA server.

Looks like it may go downhill, and fast. Not just walking down the hill, but rolling Sonic speed down the hill.

We already are drying up on renewable SG. Even if people were willing to spend their SG, they can't. They don't have it. Not unless they buy it with $.

I already can't afford the material storage since the fresh finds is gouging me.

If the fresh finds is “gouging you” stop buying every single thing you want every single time.

@DHG-MumfordsSon You don't seem to understand the fundamental differences between AC and SG. AC scratches cost less and the items are tradeable/can be sold on the market. SG on its own costs twice as much, isn't tradeable and cannot be sold. Yes there are methods to obtain SG for free and yes this is a free to play game. But it doesn't change the fact that the price for what you can potentially get isn't atrocious.