SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?

@JuggernautGTX said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@Archetype-Luna

Well i agree that it does not make sense to release the SG scratch so soon (and before the release of the big update in august and the different other platforms) because it simply would not be fair to those who newly join and had no way to play right now...but we have already seen it during the xbox release that AC scratch got released and several mission pass items - wich wasn fair for pc players (and why some xbox players mock on pc players)

i don't wanna upload a billion screens but just as an example - and i never even complained once about "xbox players having more advantages than pc players" myself...it is what it is and i understood that they have trouble releasing all at once i never jumped on the "we need our own server" train either nor did i complain each and every day why xbox is being prefered over pc players

While I have issues with how the PC release was handled, mostly due to the buggy PC release, I don't see how this is really related to the discussion at hand.

you are being pissed on how they handle SG right now and youre concerned it might affect the future of PSO2 in a dramatic way - your opinion but not the opinion of everyone (sorry for saying it that way)...i am not being pissed and will just wait and see what happens after the august update...its good and okay to have critic on a company for not doing everything the way you expect them to but it is bad to paint the world all grey and call the end of the world if some things they do dont make sense to us

It may not be the opinion of everyone else, but it is the opinion of a great deal of people from my experience. We have our experience from PSO1 and PSU to go off from, as well as the example from when SG was released. We already seen what happens if we don't voice our concerns enough. PSO2 also had multiple other localization that got too greedy and shut down. History does not paint a favorable picture and the fact that they released SG Tickets now despite having face a backlash on JP for releasing SG under a similar situation, does not imply they learned their lesson. Being vocal about this is the only thing we can do and being patient may be too late.

@JuggernautGTX said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@HarmlessSyan

@HarmlessSyan said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

As for "filled" servers. Yes there are still currently enough players to do Urgents, but population has dropped to where you no longer see full or congested servers anymore. There has been reports ship 3 has been losing players and it has affected the player shop market supply and prices.

You know why that happens? Because people are STILL having trouble to even log into the game. Look at Youtube Videos of thousends of people commenting on several Big Youtube Channels on how they are hoping and waiting that everything gets fixed - that some played for weeks but cant be stressed anymore to download and install the game 3 times a week. If you dont believe me check videos such as "why i stopped playing pso2 for now"

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This is a major issue right now that should have been fixed weeks ago. An actual huge problem for the community. It is easy to wait for a new update and see how they handle SG after "the actual JP sheduled SG release" People do not give a F about SG - they just wanna play the game. I am blessed with not having any trouble but alot people do! You are so full of yourself being like "mimimi SG i already quit NA and paly jp" when people with ACTUAL problems would pay money to properly play on here

People do give a F about SG. The twitter is filled with posts about it. The subreddit always has at least one thread about it on the front page with hundreds of karma. When I made a subreddit post telling people where they can voice their concerns about SG as well as detailing the disparity between NA and JP on SG monetization, I gained over 500 karma from it.

Also one more thing to note: Microsoft would be the person to complain to about the installation, launcher, and client issues as they are the ones handling the Microsoft Store and Xbox Live integration. I doubt Sega can actually do much with the Microsoft Store as they are unlikely to have access to everything that is needed for that.

It is unlikely that the protests over SG will delay any fixes with the Microsoft Store as it is highly likely that two different groups handle those two issues. It should be very much possible to do both at the same time without delaying either one as it should be very different groups that are handling these things.

@Archetype-Luna

Ya you are right - the pc thing is not a biggy SEGA got nothing to do with it - MS will handle it for sure and SEGA will make your SG problem first priority so you are being a happy customer for good

@JuggernautGTX said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

This is a major issue right now that should have been fixed weeks ago. An actual huge problem for the community. It is easy to wait for a new update and see how they handle SG after "the actual JP sheduled SG release" People do not give a F about SG - they just wanna play the game. I am blessed with not having any trouble but alot people do! You are so full of yourself being like "mimimi SG i already quit NA and paly jp" when people with ACTUAL problems would pay money to properly play on here

It's your opinion that no one "give a F" about SG and it is mine that I think it is an integral part of the game not just for cosmetics. It is your attitude to shut down and mock other people's concern that we are having this conversation right now. When you throw out - blah blah white knight blah blah never played the NA game much blah blah are lazy to grind and earn stuff - it is an insult for those that tried to put hope into the NA server. Yes of course alot of us came over to NA server in hopes of being able to play with primary western community but it is not financially feasible for us to enjoy the game that we been playing for years. Buying premium and having to spend even more to buy SG just to have the same storage (mostly for affixing fodders), it is just not plausible.

Yes, the PC launch and MS Store are problems, but lets not pretend no other concerns exist.

@JuggernautGTX I don't think Sega has access to the Microsoft Store's source code nor would Microsoft let them look at it. Corporations tend to guard their proprietary code pretty zealously.

The issue stems from how the Store is designed to handle updates and patches of the apps downloaded from it, but PSO2 has its own launcher to do that. The likely fix would be to remove the PSO2 launcher and have the Microsoft Store handle all of PSO2's updates and patches. The Microsoft Store does not like it when a program uses its own launcher to update and patch itself; hence why it often nukes the game. This likely requires access to the Microsoft Store that Sega does not have.

Microsoft should be the one handling this because they are the ones equipped to do so. They should understand their own store more than Sega does. Essentially, for Sega to fix it themselves, they would likely need a level of access to the store that Microsoft does not allow.

@Archetype-Luna said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@JuggernautGTX said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

Now the JP whiteknights (who probably never played the NA game much at all but are still here to advertise said version even saying "i go and play there it is all cheaper come join us why play on NA its stupid" all come up with different games and how they handle it there (wich i wont mention and advertise myself) yet claiming they "want to help that the NA version has success". It more sounds like they wanna help a english community on JP to grow again because they are too lazy to grind and earn stuff again.

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Here's proof that I've played plenty of the NA version. I've put in my hours and it is not about being too lazy, it is about getting parity.

First of all you are not helping the NA version by advertising and telling NA players to go and play there. "Ohhh i quit NA and went back to JP but i am still here to tell everyone how bad NA is compared to JP i am so cool"

We are giving the full details about the disparity between JP and NA, not bragging about how much better JP is than NA. The monetization differences between the two are a huge issue as the two servers are in the same market. There is little reason to play the NA version if the JP version is all around superior and can be played in English. That is an issue and one that we want to solve. The English community on JP is already sufficiently large, we gain nothing from trying to drag players from NA to JP.

"If NA doesn do the things exactly like I want i will keep bashing on it" Oh ya great keep doing that. You know what? There are thousends of players who just wanna play and enjoy the game. Who don't care about your monetization conspirazy - and how i know about them? check the filled servers now compared to those couple JP whiteknights who complain about god and the world and cannot be thankfulenough that PSO2 made their way to the west. You have 0 idea whats coming up in august - you have 0 idea about the actual plan of the NA version besides a few major parts that are already annoucned - yet you spend all day to bash on the newly released version and keep advertising your beloved JP one.

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's clear observation. I've talked to people in game and guess what, they are not happy about the SG tickets. Check on reddit, twitter, etc. So many people are not happy about the SG tickets. It doesn't mean they can't enjoy the game, that we see the game as all bad, but we see something that is wrong and we need to be vocal about it. We know that SG tickets were not in EP3, that they came out mid EP4 and that NA is not getting EP4 until August. We draw comparison to the JP version because that is how the monetization should be.

If anyone is white knighting, it is the people who are defending the idea that NA should be monetized more aggressively, that we should pay more for some reason.

Have patience and wait after the update in august - thats when the actual episode 4 launches and the "warm up episode 1-3 content" is over. Who knows maybe the stuff jp had is implemented and you can find new reasons to bash on the game.

SG Scratch Tickets are supposed to be Episode 4 Content. They came out in JP during Mid Episode 4. Why should we be patient about additional SG sources when Sega was not patient with the SG Scratch Ticket. The least they could had done was add the SG from Casinos and actually gave us the full 6 months for the SG Scratch tickets so that when Episode 4 does hit and we do get more SG sources from it, there will actually be time to take advantage of said sources.

You also seem to forget that the Phantasy Star Series does not have a good localization record. Look at how PSO1 and PSU ended, the disparity between the western servers vs the Japanese servers. We have always gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to Phantasy Star localizations, without fail every single localization up to this point.

We aren't bashing the game because we think the JP servers is so much better, we are being critical and vocal because we fear for the game because we know the series' track record. If we aren't vocal about it, how do we know that they won't think that we are fine with being monetized more aggressively and continue to push the envelop. When JP was monetized aggressively with the release of SG, they lashed back and got positive changes made. We have a literal recent example of the community banding together and getting positive changes made to the game.

We have our concerns and we aren't going to be silent about it. You can try to discredit us all you want by slandering us with the idea that we just want to grow the English community on JP; it won't work.

@Archetype-Luna said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@JuggernautGTX said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

Now the JP whiteknights (who probably never played the NA game much at all but are still here to advertise said version even saying "i go and play there it is all cheaper come join us why play on NA its stupid" all come up with different games and how they handle it there (wich i wont mention and advertise myself) yet claiming they "want to help that the NA version has success". It more sounds like they wanna help a english community on JP to grow again because they are too lazy to grind and earn stuff again.

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Here's proof that I've played plenty of the NA version. I've put in my hours and it is not about being too lazy, it is about getting parity.

First of all you are not helping the NA version by advertising and telling NA players to go and play there. "Ohhh i quit NA and went back to JP but i am still here to tell everyone how bad NA is compared to JP i am so cool"

We are giving the full details about the disparity between JP and NA, not bragging about how much better JP is than NA. The monetization differences between the two are a huge issue as the two servers are in the same market. There is little reason to play the NA version if the JP version is all around superior and can be played in English. That is an issue and one that we want to solve. The English community on JP is already sufficiently large, we gain nothing from trying to drag players from NA to JP.

"If NA doesn do the things exactly like I want i will keep bashing on it" Oh ya great keep doing that. You know what? There are thousends of players who just wanna play and enjoy the game. Who don't care about your monetization conspirazy - and how i know about them? check the filled servers now compared to those couple JP whiteknights who complain about god and the world and cannot be thankfulenough that PSO2 made their way to the west. You have 0 idea whats coming up in august - you have 0 idea about the actual plan of the NA version besides a few major parts that are already annoucned - yet you spend all day to bash on the newly released version and keep advertising your beloved JP one.

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's clear observation. I've talked to people in game and guess what, they are not happy about the SG tickets. Check on reddit, twitter, etc. So many people are not happy about the SG tickets. It doesn't mean they can't enjoy the game, that we see the game as all bad, but we see something that is wrong and we need to be vocal about it. We know that SG tickets were not in EP3, that they came out mid EP4 and that NA is not getting EP4 until August. We draw comparison to the JP version because that is how the monetization should be.

If anyone is white knighting, it is the people who are defending the idea that NA should be monetized more aggressively, that we should pay more for some reason.

Have patience and wait after the update in august - thats when the actual episode 4 launches and the "warm up episode 1-3 content" is over. Who knows maybe the stuff jp had is implemented and you can find new reasons to bash on the game.

SG Scratch Tickets are supposed to be Episode 4 Content. They came out in JP during Mid Episode 4. Why should we be patient about additional SG sources when Sega was not patient with the SG Scratch Ticket. The least they could had done was add the SG from Casinos and actually gave us the full 6 months for the SG Scratch tickets so that when Episode 4 does hit and we do get more SG sources from it, there will actually be time to take advantage of said sources.

You also seem to forget that the Phantasy Star Series does not have a good localization record. Look at how PSO1 and PSU ended, the disparity between the western servers vs the Japanese servers. We have always gotten the short end of the stick when it comes to Phantasy Star localizations, without fail every single localization up to this point.

We aren't bashing the game because we think the JP servers is so much better, we are being critical and vocal because we fear for the game because we know the series' track record. If we aren't vocal about it, how do we know that they won't think that we are fine with being monetized more aggressively and continue to push the envelop. When JP was monetized aggressively with the release of SG, they lashed back and got positive changes made. We have a literal recent example of the community banding together and getting positive changes made to the game.

We have our concerns and we aren't going to be silent about it. You can try to discredit us all you want by slandering us with the idea that we just want to grow the English community on JP; it won't work.

No! What we saying is, it not that serious! Stop bashing those who choose to spend their money on the game they enjoy. You make it sound like those that do spend don’t know what they are doing. You talk about how people are leaving but I personally see no indication of that being so. But what I have noticed on the more populated server like 1,2,3 and 69 on ship 1 is people bash those in area chat about them spending money on SG. Why is that?

But most of the time they are ignored and not even noticed. Maybe because they having to much fun.

People are not leaving and because you say it so doesn’t make so. Once this blows over their will be a new thread of dissatisfaction. People will find new ways to complain to draw attention to their bandwagon.

I rather people spend money on pixels than drugs or booze/alcohol!

@HarmlessSyan

You of all tells me that you put hope into NA? But advertising how you quit it and went back to JP already? Please you are the perfect example of a JP whiteknight who doesn give a f about NA and is just here to mock on those who enjoy the game and dont share your personal problems

@RainGnyu said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

No! What we saying is, it not that serious! Stop bashing those who choose to spend their money on the game they enjoy. You make it sound like those that do spend don’t know what they are doing. You talk about how people are leaving but I personally see no indication of that being so. But what I have noticed on the more populated server like 1,2,3 and 69 on ship 1 is people bash those in area chat about them spending money on SG. Why is that?

But most of the time they are ignored and not even noticed. Maybe because they having to much fun.

People are not leaving and because you say it so doesn’t make so. Once this blows over their will be a new thread of dissatisfaction. People will find new ways to complain to draw attention to their bandwagon.

I rather people spend money on pixels than drugs or booze/alcohol!

Never once did I bash the people for how they spend their money. To say that I do is slander. My criticisms are aimed at Sega and the people who are defending the more aggressive monetization of NA. Never once did I bash on someone for spending money. I have stated multiple times that they can spend the money however they wish. I am not on Ship 1, I am on Ship 2 and I have personally talked to people who bought SG Scratch Tickets and whaled on them on the matter and did not bash on them for doing so. Also, we have people on this very forum that have moved onto JP.

This isn't going to blow over until additional SG Sources are added.

@HarmlessSyan said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@JuggernautGTX said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

This is a major issue right now that should have been fixed weeks ago. An actual huge problem for the community. It is easy to wait for a new update and see how they handle SG after "the actual JP sheduled SG release" People do not give a F about SG - they just wanna play the game. I am blessed with not having any trouble but alot people do! You are so full of yourself being like "mimimi SG i already quit NA and paly jp" when people with ACTUAL problems would pay money to properly play on here

It's your opinion that no one "give a F" about SG and it is mine that I think it is an integral part of the game not just for cosmetics. It is your attitude to shut down and mock other people's concern that we are having this conversation right now. When you throw out - blah blah white knight blah blah never played the NA game much blah blah are lazy to grind and earn stuff - it is an insult for those that tried to put hope into the NA server. Yes of course alot of us came over to NA server in hopes of being able to play with primary western community but it is not financially feasible for us to enjoy the game that we been playing for years. Buying premium and having to spend even more to buy SG just to have the same storage (mostly for affixing fodders), it is just not plausible.

Yes, the PC launch and MS Store are problems, but lets not pretend no other concerns exist.

It is a free to play game how is that not financially feasible. Now you guys are really reaching!

A free to play game! Really?

@JuggernautGTX I did put hope in it, that's why I came here and put time into the game. It is for this game that I upgraded to Win10, I too suffered MS Store problems and overcame it with the Tweaker which I have never used before prior to this.

Spending my SG on collection folder expansion basically took out all my SG, and then buying extended storage left with me nearly no SG - then when SG scratch came out it really made me question whether NA is for me so I went back to JP. You can shut me down, try to smear me to be a so called JP whiteknight - but I am not the only one with SG concern. It's the 2 hottest topics on the forums right now.

@RainGnyu I explained in the post, you have to buy premium and buy SG (not much way to earn in game) for extended storage just to have similar storage capacity in JP for a free player. Ends up costing more than subscription based games.

@RainGnyu said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@HarmlessSyan said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@JuggernautGTX said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

This is a major issue right now that should have been fixed weeks ago. An actual huge problem for the community. It is easy to wait for a new update and see how they handle SG after "the actual JP sheduled SG release" People do not give a F about SG - they just wanna play the game. I am blessed with not having any trouble but alot people do! You are so full of yourself being like "mimimi SG i already quit NA and paly jp" when people with ACTUAL problems would pay money to properly play on here

It's your opinion that no one "give a F" about SG and it is mine that I think it is an integral part of the game not just for cosmetics. It is your attitude to shut down and mock other people's concern that we are having this conversation right now. When you throw out - blah blah white knight blah blah never played the NA game much blah blah are lazy to grind and earn stuff - it is an insult for those that tried to put hope into the NA server. Yes of course alot of us came over to NA server in hopes of being able to play with primary western community but it is not financially feasible for us to enjoy the game that we been playing for years. Buying premium and having to spend even more to buy SG just to have the same storage (mostly for affixing fodders), it is just not plausible.

Yes, the PC launch and MS Store are problems, but lets not pretend no other concerns exist.

It is a free to play game how is that not financially feasible. Now you guys are really reaching!

A free to play game! Really?

We want to support it by spending money, but can't under good judgment due to know that it is monetizing us much more aggressively when it does not need to. The monetization strategy in JP works and works extremely well. We can't enjoy it like we can in JP because we know they are monetizing us more than they do to another group of people. We know we are being charged more for the same thing.

When we truly enjoy a game, it feels good to support it with money. We can't do that in NA because we know they aren't treating us an equal customer. Which is the main reason why a lot of us are up in arms.

We want to be treated as equal customers, not lesser customers.

@HarmlessSyan said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@JuggernautGTX I did put hope in it, that's why I came here and put time into the game. It is for this game that I upgraded to Win10, I too suffered MS Store problems and overcame it with the Tweaker which I have never used before prior to this.

Spending my SG on collection folder expansion basically took out all my SG, and then buying extended storage left with me nearly no SG - then when SG scratch came out it really made me question whether NA is for me so I went back to JP. You can shut me down, try to smear me to be a so called JP whiteknight - but I am not the only one with SG concern. It's the 2 hottest topics on the forums right now.

Only reason you guys are sounding off about JP is because you have put in time and money over there. You are established and really don’t want to start over on the NA version. You seen it all and done it all and you can’t show off your accomplishments over here, like you can over there. Thus this agenda bandwagon bait thread of complaints.

Sg really not that serious!

@RainGnyu said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@HarmlessSyan said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

@JuggernautGTX I did put hope in it, that's why I came here and put time into the game. It is for this game that I upgraded to Win10, I too suffered MS Store problems and overcame it with the Tweaker which I have never used before prior to this.

Spending my SG on collection folder expansion basically took out all my SG, and then buying extended storage left with me nearly no SG - then when SG scratch came out it really made me question whether NA is for me so I went back to JP. You can shut me down, try to smear me to be a so called JP whiteknight - but I am not the only one with SG concern. It's the 2 hottest topics on the forums right now.

Only reason you guys are sounding off about JP is because you have put in time and money over there. You are established and really don’t want to start over, over on the NA version. You seen it all and done it all and you can’t show of you accomplishments over here, like you can over their. Thus this agenda bandwagon bait thread of complaints.

Sg really not that serious!

Right, because I totally did not spend over 600 hours in NA and grinded my ass off for a Nemesis Katana and actually did some affixing nor spend some hundreds on several months of premium, the founder pack, and AC tickets. This is incredibly insulting and disingenuous.

Also, I do consider SG to be that serious considering the fact that we are being monetized so much more aggressively to be a huge red flag, especially when looking back at PSO1 and PSU and our treatment on those two games in the west.

Oh please SG is deadly serious as the JP vets already stated in previous comments. Without SG you can't even play or enjoy the game. They only implement it to make more money. And soon in a couple months the service will end just because they are not giving majority of the payed currency out for free.

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it all makes sense now

@JuggernautGTX said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

Oh please SG is deadly serious as the JP vets already stated in previous comments. Without SG you can't even play or enjoy the game. They only implement it to make more money. And soon in a couple months the service will end just because they are not giving majority of the payed currency out for free.

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it all makes sense now

It was serious enough when SG came out that the JP community banded together and lashed back at Sega to get changes made. Furthermore, it is a huge red flag that we are being monetized more heavily. No one is saying it that the end is coming in a couple months, we are stating that this is an early warning of things to come and we do not want to take that chance as we have seen what can happen multiple times.

Also, the material storage is very much that big of a QoL improvement. It is probably the most recommended purchase with SG, especially once crafting is in the game.

@JuggernautGTX said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:

Oh please SG is deadly serious as the JP vets already stated in previous comments. Without SG you can't even play or enjoy the game. They only implement it to make more money. And soon in a couple months the service will end just because they are not giving majority of the payed currency out for free.

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it all makes sense now

This is the mocking attitude I'm talking about, no one said what you just said right now - instead of addressing concerns you go for ad hominem attacks