@RainGnyu said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:
@Archetype-Luna said in SG Tickets are now official. Thoughts?:
@JuggernautGTX You are making SG out to be something you want it to be, not what it actually is. SG is not some super special currency, never was never will be. It is an additional premium currency, one that is based on the same mechanics as gacha games.
Look at games like FGO, FEH, GFL, Azur Lane, Ark Knights, etc. You'll see their premium currency works in the exact same manner as SG.
So stop think of it as some elite currency, it's not. It was added in an attempt to mimic gacha games and make more money, and caused a backlash on the JP servers, making them release more ways to farm it.
Ironically enough, the most successful gacha games are the ones that allow you to earn a good deal of their premium currency on a timely basis. The more f2p friendly a gacha game is, the more likely it is successful due to people being willing to pay money out of good faith.
We should not have a lesser SG income than JP. There is no reason to. Our SG rate should as close to JP's as possible. JP's SG income is not some crazy amount,it is a rather normal amount.
So again, SG is not the elite currency you make it out to be; stop trying to make it out to be one. It was added to make more money, that's it.
Can you explain the concept behind the cosmetics that have obtainable SG attached to them? Can you explain the SG tickets you obtain in the game just for actively playing?
Cosmetics having SG attached to them is just a way to earn SG, because again, SG is based on the same mechanics and principles as the Gacha games that are so popular in Japan. In every gacha game you earn premium currency by just logging in and by playing the game. So the SG you get for actively playing and from the costumes can be seen as part of SG's equivalent. However, if you actually look at popular gacha games, they give out their premium currency FAR more often than PSO2 NA does and have side content that allowed you to grind their premium currency on a weekly basis, like how JP has it right now.
The most popular and successful Gacha games are the ones that are generous with their premium currency, because it builds good faith the their community. Players are more willing to spend purely because they want to support the company that has been treating them well. That is true for any gacha game and true for f2p games in general.
Look at Warframe as an example of a game that treats its f2p players well; how Digital Extremes went from being on its deathbed to having annual conventions dedicated to Warframe. When a company actually has a proper and fair monetization plan, they actually can make more money than if they tried milking their players.
Fun fact: JP had a similar backlash when SG tickets came out, because they felt it monetized too aggressive initially. They actually got positive changes made to how SG is handled and the game benefited from it greatly, being known as one of the fairer f2p games and letting them compete with giants like FFXIV. If they didn't have a fair monetization plan, PSO2 would not be the second most popular MMO in Japan, and that is after taking into account the popularity of PSO1 and PSU in Japan, where they were far more successful than in the west because of proper management. It's why PSU JP lasted for several more years than the western servers.
This is why I don’t understand the argument in the thread topic. How I read the thread topic is that OP wants to penalize those who saved and switched out, outfits to obtain SG for this very purpose. Outfit and cosmetics items others cannot capitalize on. It feels like an agenda thread to me personally.
In no way are our suggestions for parity with the JP servers are penalizing those who saved and switched out outfits to obtain SG. We are giving them even more sources for SG so they can make even more SG to roll even more. If anything, this is a benefit to them. We are asking for the same level of monetization as JP. To be treated as equal costumers and not second rate citizens like we have been treated as in PSO1 and PSU. The vast majority if not all of the people who are grinding SG via costumes would love to have more ways to grind SG.
So basically you are upset they want you to spend more money? Then your personal solution is to not spend more money. Your personal Problem fixed I believe! But what I am witnessing on the forums is those trying to bandwagon the community for change in the system for their own benefit and personal agendas. I personally don’t agree with a system that if you shout loudly enough and bandwagon enough people to your personal dissatisfaction and agenda baiting tactics that creates and snowball effect that the company can’t sustain, causing the game to shut down. That doesn’t work for me in the grand scheme of things.
We are upset that they are monetizing us far more heavily than the JP version; that they are treating as lesser costumers. This is not a personal problem, this is an omen. More aggressive monetization is a sign that they want to milk us. This isn't a bandwagon trying to change the system for our benefit, we do this because we care about the game. We've seen what happened when we don't speak loud enough, PSO1 and PSU is a testament to that. The state those two games were in when they shut down in the west was horrible.
The game isn't going to shut down because it monetizes the same way it does in JP. In no way that makes sense because if that was the case, JP would not about around right now. Rather it is the opposite, these more aggressive monetization plans are far far more likely to cause the game to shut down than copying JP's monetization. No one here is doing it for their personal agendas; especially when they can just move over to the JP version and enjoy more content and less aggressive monetization, essentially joining a superior server with no downsides whatsoever.
Plus, we have not given them enough time to institute (Other added) cost saving tactics after the initial update.
SG Tickets did not come out in JP until MID Episode 4. Meaning at that point, they had PvP and Bonus Keys. We also already have the Casino and Challenge Mode. So no reason why we can't be earning SG from those already. If they waited until Episode 4, like when SG original was released in JP, and implemented all of the ways JP had to earn SG at the time. They released the SG tickets earlier without waiting for the content that was out at the time in JP to be out in NA.
For JP it has always been new content without a comparison unlike the NA version and not to mention culture difference. As an example of this you will find in a now locked thread of Independence Day event.
In no way is it currently taking into consideration any cultural differences; if anything it is doing the opposite. SG is based on gacha game mechanics, it is essentially the exact same mechanics. If anything, we should have less aggressive monetization than JP if it was taking into consideration cultural differences as Gacha games are seen less favorably in the west.
SG have been attached to AC scratch tickets tradable outfits and daily incentives but sound like it is to much work for the free to play player’s.
SG on outfits are more of an extra bonus. No one on JP uses them as their main way of gathering SG because it is not really sustainable due to the cost of outfits. The weekly incentives are there to reward players for playing those side contents; whether it is too much work for a f2p player is up the the player. Some only do some of the side content while others do all of it for maximum rewards. That is how it works in gacha games as well; the more additional content you do, the more rewards you get, and I stated before, SG functions on the same principle as the premium currency in gacha games.
Is JP free to play?
JP has been f2p since its release, so for 8 years and it is still going strong, thanks to fair and proper monetization.
I think and have read more about the SG not being tradable more of an issue and other factors as a distraction and misdirection.
SG scratch is not tradable on JP. Again, SG functions in the same manner as Gacha games, where trading isn't a thing either. Making SG items tradable would not solve the side content issue and SG is also used for material storage which is an important QoL upgrade. So additional SG sources, the same as JP, is the way to go on this.
Again, we are just asking to be treated as equal costumers to JP. We have to be loud and vocal, too many times in the past have we seen games in the series fail with their western releases because of mismanagement while the JP version thrived due to proper management.