Please do not add the SG Scratch into NA as it is now

Look, I get it guys. Lootboxes are cliché, promote a gambling mindset and make it so you don't get the specific thing you are looking for. But listen, scarcity breeds longing and longing creates a journey. "Get X amount of X for X reward guaranteed" is boring.

I am not here to argue that this is not a greedy move because it certainly is. I am here to argue that meaningful choices on how to spend your currency are a healthy thing for the vanity economy. If AC scratches are to be a thing to stay then the inclusion of SG scratches won't make things any worse.

So when it comes to the main criticism that sg scratches are a bad thing to implement in the state the game is currently in I disagree.

@ViolaCrossfire said in Please do not add the SG Scratch into NA as it is now:

Look, I get it guys. Lootboxes are cliché, promote a gambling mindset and make it so you don't get the specific thing you are looking for. But listen, scarcity breeds longing and longing creates a journey. "Get X amount of X for X reward guaranteed" is boring.

I am not here to argue that this is not a greedy move because it certainly is. I am here to argue that meaningful choices on how to spend your currency are a healthy thing for the vanity economy. If AC scratches are to be a thing to stay then the inclusion of SG scratches won't make things any worse.

So when it comes to the main criticism that sg scratches are a bad thing to implement in the state the game is currently in I disagree.

You don't seem to quite get the actual problem at all and don't even try to make an argument against it.

The egregious thing is the fact we already have other ways we are having our SG drained compared to JP which only really has the SG scratch for Vanity to get with SG. So uh yeah SG scratch will make things worse? I mean with the low amount of free star gems we already have and the expensive costumes which JP doesn't buy (most are AC scratch things which have been pulled out) we don't need things splitting up into different spots because these vanity items could have appeared in the other two new ways which NA has to spend SG, the mission pass or the fresh finds shop but no instead we are at threat of having some things locked behind an RNG gamble system.

Also I don't get why you have such a thing about scarcity, everything is already scarce enough as is with fresh finds only having a day of certain things available and the other problem with the SG scratch is the same as the Fresh finds, the Vanity is bound to account so there is no journey no other way to purchase it. You didn't get it? Tough luck. You are just romanticising predatory monetisation methods which use FOMO and this is especially harsh with the SG scratch since it don't really matter how much SG you save for it you might not even get the outfit you wanted.

@ViolaCrossfire That was not a very intelligent reply lmfao. No one cares about your faux market in a video game and this "scarcity" lmfao. If I see a cosmetic I want it, idc if you get butthurt over me wanting something in a game im paying for.

@Albus-Rabbit Agency is the thing you are not recognizing. When you talk about "having your SG drained" you seem to forget that you had a choice in the matter. If people don't like spending their SG on a wheel of fortune then guess what, they aren't going to do it. Instead they will spend it on daily deals which are awesome or the mission pass.

The mission pass gives 100 sg by completing it and another 100 sg for having spent a mission pass while having it completed. In other words it basically pays for itself. You get multiple outfits and accessories for it and all you have to do is play the game. It's a good value and basically everyone should get it.

Which comes to the last point. Your argument is that scarcity is bad. People should get what they want because they earned the gems and now they should be able to spend it to get that item right? If scarcity is bad then you are right that sg scratches will make thing worse. So sure, go ahead and argue why scarcity is bad.

@ViolaCrossfire Why is scarcity good? Answer me that.

I could leave that as just the mic drop but hey I gotta couple other points, this whole choice seems to rely on whether or not the vanity in question is gonna be available on all forms of purchase which guess what? It's incredibly likely it ain't gonna be, get outta here with your player choice nonsense.

Scarcity can be good because it gives people a reason to want an item. Do you see most people running around with FUN scratch ticket accessories on? I don't. Because a lot of people don't want to wear stuff that everybody else is wearing too. People want to look different. And if you have an item that not as many people have, its going to hold more value to a lot of people. Scarcity is good in this way.

@Lorient Speak for yourself for the fun scratch items XD, I run around with the Easter Island head sometimes and I prefer the Fun scratch Ram horns over the silly looking horns in the AC scratch, some of the accessories really complete a look.

I make outfits to look good not because of how rare and unacquirable it is which is kind of why I have been waiting for the Viel Hairstyle because I like the look of it. The only time I think about somethings rarity is when I am marketplacing it and in the case of all things related to SG - It ain't got a market value due to being account bound so its rarity means nothing but bragging rights and the "I'm special because I have this" thing which I kind of hate, like this thinking kind of leads to someone trying their hardest to get some accessory which only 10 people can have, even if it means shelling out absurd amounts of money, even if the accessory is god awful looking.

Basically the true bragging rights should be putting together a good looking outfit not how rare each piece is, I see people running about in mission pass outfits because guess what? Some of them look pretty good, especially with the right custom colours + accessories.

Scarcity if its something you have to work to get is alright enough for me, like an event where you have to rank high to earn something, thats not really what I mean by my previous comment being rewarded for working hard is alright and worth bragging. But when we already have $25 outfit packs rolling with ~$5-$10+ Accessories with limited timeframes to buy to only have such a limited SG stream and then to add a lootbox on top of that? when its not even the Premium currency? with no way to otherwise acquire the item due to account binding? Its just greedy and relying on the scarcity value to get people to open their wallets especially now when so many are jobless.

I'm just going to say while yes, people have a choice on if they want to use their Star Gems or not, that doesn't change that there's A LOT less ways to earn them in the NA version while also making way more items need them (and be much more expensive in comparison due to earning less). That is a problem and super anti-consumer. And there is a balance to make it fair for players while also still making a profit for those who choose to buy.

It may all be optional and cosmetic, but a lot of people enjoy that aspect of a game and it's important to them and they shouldn't be shamed for bringing up an issue when yeah, what we earn versus how much is spent is unfair compared to the original site and adding a gachapon on top of that when Star Gems are already a struggle to earn for things (I've passed out on several things I liked because they're not #1 priority, but I still regret it) is absolutely a problem.

@ViolaCrossfire said in Please do not add the SG Scratch into NA as it is now:

So when it comes to the main criticism that sg scratches are a bad thing to implement in the state the game is currently in I disagree.

You should probably actually know what you're arguing in favor of (and probably read the thread at least to get an idea) before you defend it. For a start no one was complaining about lootboxes or "scarcity" and the SG Scratch model has literally nothing to do with the AC Scratch one. You've invented a strawman to strike down by rambling about something that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Here's a list of reasons why the SG Scratch is awful:

  1. Most people literally will not be able to afford it. We have exactly one source of renewable SG in NA - earning 10SG per character every 24 hours, and that's assuming you have the meseta or AC to constantly buy three outfits every day. Otherwise you're at the mercy of campaigns and the story; if you buy premium or gold passes with AC then you also turn a profit on SG with the mission pass. However even if someone has done all of this and has been saving up since day one, they won't be able to afford more than a few rolls on the SG scratch, it's expensive.

  2. You have no control over what item you get. Much like the AC scratch, it's random what item you get; which is fine with the AC scratch but due to a point I'll get to after this is less so here. So using your currently severely limited currency you simply have to hope you get the item you want because the rates on these things would make a mobile gacha game blush.

  3. You can't sell the items. All those precious dupes you get can't be put on the market. Your only recourse, really, is to trade them for badges which, due to the fact that this economy is so self contained, sega has zero reason to offer good rewards or incentive. Go look at the SG Scratch recycle shop, not a single one of those items is actually worth the cost to get them, but you don't really have any reason not to get them unless you want a dozen or so garbage dupes of items you don't want just clogging your inventory up. And for the people who never managed to roll the item they want, or never had enough SG to roll in the first place? Well, you're just SOL. Unlike the AC market; you can't just go buy it from another player. At all.

  4. They hide away most of the really unique and/or story/NPC based cosmetics behind it. Do you want Luther's voice ticket? Gemini's outfit? A specific NPC's sweet weapon camo or hairstyle? Well basically every one of those post-episode 4 is hidden behind SG Scratch, so have fun. It gets extra good when they start shoving layered wear into it, I sure do love getting nothing but inner wear.

  5. Eventually it leads to a very literal P2W scenario. In JP at least the best prizes from SG Scratch are affix transfer passes which let you simply take all of the affixes on an item and transfer them 100% over to a new item of the same type. So, as long as you have enough SG, all you have to do is affix one item really well and you're set for life. In NA, where we can't really save up that much SG? Where we weren't even certain the SG Scratch was coming and most players probably didn't even know those items existed or would exist? Well isn't that just egg on the face of half the community.

Hello Arks! Thank you for sharing your concerns about this. Your feedback will be passed along to the development team. Have a good one!

I honestly thought the Fresh Finds shop was our version of the SG scratch just without the RNG, I feel like if they add both in they should also give us more ways to earn SG

@GM-Deynger said in Please do not add the SG Scratch into NA as it is now:

Hello Arks! Thank you for sharing your concerns about this. Your feedback will be passed along to the development team. Have a good one!

It's confirmed by the twitter team that it's coming soon: https://twitter.com/play_pso2/status/1281408454083502080

@coldreactive said in Please do not add the SG Scratch into NA as it is now:

@GM-Deynger said in Please do not add the SG Scratch into NA as it is now:

Hello Arks! Thank you for sharing your concerns about this. Your feedback will be passed along to the development team. Have a good one!

It's confirmed by the twitter team that it's coming soon: https://twitter.com/play_pso2/status/1281408454083502080

Looks like its gonna be a "Your feedback is appreciated."

-Ignores feedback because they already have their plans so its full steam ahead-

@GM-Deynger Hello GM! If the plans are already in place to begin adding the SG Scratches, can we at least see both added and readded ways to earn more weekly Star Gems that players on JP already have? Not only does JP have less things to think about when it comes to spending their Star Gems they have more ways to easily earn them every week, JP Casino has weekly star gems you can get with casino coins as well as the holy grail of easy to acquire Star Gems which is just playing IDOLA on their phones.

Now obviously I'm not about to suggest localizing an entire gacha game (yet), but re-adding ways to earn gems as we see more things added that want us to spend them would be a good first step. Another suggestion I could make is lowering the amount of SG Medals you need to get a pity ticket for NA. On JP it's 80 SG a scratch and it costs 40 badges to get a pity ticket, which is a total of 3200 SG spent. Lowering the amount of badges needed for a pity ticket is one suggestion I can think of to help balance things out. (For example if it was 10 badges that's only 800 SG, which is only double the cost of an outfit package from the Fresh Find shop, which at least makes it a bit more comparatively reasonable as the SG scratch cosmetics tend to be more on the "premium" side with layered wear options.)

My other suggestions would be to either be more proactive in SG rewarding campaigns to help balance out how we don't have things like IDOLA to help accumulate SG, being more proactive in campaigns that rewards players with SG Scratch pity tickets (Which JP has also done a number of times.) or giving us a way to turn mission badges into SG recycle badges. Mission pass items and badges might as well be SG items as it costs SG (or 15 dollars) to get on the gold track anyway so it would be nice to have the mission badges interact with SG items more (Outside of just hoarding them like me for whenever we get more stuff added to the mission badge shop.)

Hope you get the chance to read this and have a nice day!

@Albus-Rabbit said in Please do not add the SG Scratch into NA as it is now:

@coldreactive said in Please do not add the SG Scratch into NA as it is now:

@GM-Deynger said in Please do not add the SG Scratch into NA as it is now:

Hello Arks! Thank you for sharing your concerns about this. Your feedback will be passed along to the development team. Have a good one!

It's confirmed by the twitter team that it's coming soon: https://twitter.com/play_pso2/status/1281408454083502080

Looks like its gonna be a "Your feedback is appreciated."

-Ignores feedback because they already have their plans so its full steam ahead-

I mean, it could be the current plan, but that doesn't mean it can't be adjusted or changed. There's a lot of different teams.

If they add more ways to earn them, that will at least be an improvement (though, I still can't stand Star Gems. Never been fond of third currencies in games). I wish they would consider making Star Gem items tradeable.