So some may notice that as of this update Sega has steathily added in a new swap shop option "Limited Time SG Swap Shop" and the items within for those who haven't played the JP version are for the SG Scratch which is basically like the AC scratch but for SG, simple right?

Now I can't be the only one to think its kind of a bad idea to be taking SG from us with the Expensive outfit packs, the daily fresh finds and the mission pass (all stuff with JP doesn't have) and then throw the SG scratch right on top. The JP version only really has SG Scratch for Vanity spending (of course there is the SG store but we share that bit) and on top of it easier to acquire SG (Such as the casino coin trade and the frequent phrase type in for SG)

Basically this just feels incredibly greedy if it happens and just shows what they think of the NA market.

Oh no! I'm going to have to make decisions on my vanity instead of it being no brain. Scarcity of items is unhealthy because I want it all! I mean I can only equip so much but still that doesn't mean I can't collect it all right?

... guys?

@ViolaCrossfire Yeah lets just let sega milk us more than the JP version, don't worry I will bend over willingly.

Edit - Yeah okay that's a bit harsh sorry but I hate the comments which ignore facts that we are getting treated worse and gloss over the argument with a strawman or hyperbole.

@Albus-Rabbit

Stating that it's not my problem is not ignorant. You came after me in the other thread. You chose to be hurt over it therefore stating me ignorant. I don't sugarcoat things. And yes i do understand predatory monetization. Fresh Finds as it is now isn't really bad. However when the SG tickets come in, that's the problem which is why i stated what i said in the other thread concerning gambling and how it should be regulated because technically they shouldn't be in video games. So therefore, in your terms of me being "Ignorant" to predatory monetization, no, i'm not.

Also no, the "It's the player's choice" is not a defence in anyway. Because put simply, it IS your choice. A choice that is hard to make for some people that they prey of off but regardless, it's still your choice. The reason why they continue this predatory monetization is because of people (assumingly) like you and others - who continue to buy and buy because it is impulsive and the fact that there is no regulations regarding this yet. Hopefully something will come out of UK. Not because of the other people who can control themselves which the companies will hide behind the scapegoat of "It's your choice". However, it's still not a corporate defence like you stated. They will use it, but it's not.

@Kuon You clearly show no knowledge of what ignorance is, In stating "Its not my problem." when looking at people with gambling addiction you chose to be ignorant of it.

Yes fresh finds in its current state is okay as it is now which is what we agree on but once there becomes more funnels for the resource (SG Scratch) we have to go "wait a minute we are getting the worse end of the stick with less avenues to acquire star gems." and yeah I used to have a problem with Gacha gambling and FOMO (BIG OL DOUBLE WHAMMY ya don't wanna see what I spent on Tamamo in fate grand order and no I was not a well off person) which I believe I have mostly kicked, I still get that tug but its not as bad as it used to be.

So yeah hearing someone who doesn't struggle with those vices go "It's not my problem." and "It's player choice." no you don't understand, you can't understand and you are not willing to understand, you are by definition ignorant.

I just don't want this game to become more greedy, JP has lasted long without adding an extra layer of monetisation so why does this version need it?

Edit - Also what bothers me about the ignorant comment you made was the fact you didn't follow it up with why I was ignorant, its a poor criticism if you can't follow it up with why

I also have to defend that I am not hurt over your earlier comments because there was nothing hurtful about them? I just get really passionate about pro-consumer things and will always be willing to grab a soapbox when given a chance.

@Albus-Rabbit

No. If i was ignorant of the "Problem" i wouldn't mention anything about it or acknowledge it. When i stated "It's not my problem" i'm referring to the individuals who have a gambling addiction/impulsive buying etc. Ignorant in terms of rudeness? Maybe in your eyes but stating a persons personal problem as not my own problem isn't ignorant. And no, i do understand because i do have friends that i play with that spend a lot of money. I understand what it does to people.

Also if i really was "Ignorant" of this all, i wouldn't be talking about how it all should be regulated so these companies don't prey on these type of people.

As for my statement on why you were being ignorant? It's the way you first replied to me. I took it as rudeness.

And i agree, i don't want the game to become heavily monetized.

@Kuon Yeah that's kind of why I ran it as you don't quite understand what ignorance means if you get me; straight up you used the word wrong. Rudeness =/= Ignorance they are not always mutually exclusive but they are two seperate things.

In the way which I responded to you at first it was a rude brush off in the same way your "Want you to spend? Who said you had to buy anything." could be construed as a rude brush off, I'm the kind to respond in kind to that stuff while stating FOMO as the method they are trying to get people to spend, because I am telling you they WANT us to spend on all these things, especially those weak to those tricks. Also I just get really passionate about these topics as someone who was preyed off by these kind of things when they were younger so yeah sorry about the personal attack of calling you ignorant even if it was just me spitting back what you used on me its kind of not really useful for discourse.

But yes back on topic if you are aware of all these things you should also understand why I want a line drawn with what we got, we don't need more monetisation when this game is already as monetised as it is, there are some people who are already getting aggravated at the fact we are still getting it worse off than JP and we gotta make a stand so that it doesn't get any worse with the greed.

@Albus-Rabbit It's all good. But if they really are doing something about it in the UK, i hope it comes to the US or worldwide.

It should of been one or the other, but really Fresh Finds wouldn't be so bad if:

1)Items were tradable.

and

2)You could at least buy a singular dupe (just basically just 2 copies) of the item so you can unlock it for the rest of the characters on your account.

@Novaline Yeah changes to the fresh find store would be good, a lot of originally tradable items in JP have been made untradable and its kind of bad since currently once those things are gone no one can get them afterwards.

Funnily enough Fresh Finds items for the first few days of Xbox release were tradable, no idea why they changed it maybe it was because it would add a Meseta value to SG and not be random like with AC spent on AC Scratch.

@Albus-Rabbit said in Please do not add the SG Scratch into NA as it is now:

@Novaline Yeah changes to the fresh find store would be good, a lot of originally tradable items in JP have been made untradable and its kind of bad since currently once those things are gone no one can get them afterwards.

Funnily enough Fresh Finds items for the first few days of Xbox release were tradable, no idea why they changed it maybe it was because it would add a Meseta value to SG and not be random like with AC spent on AC Scratch.

Yea I remember that, I think it would of been best to leave them tradable. Who knows when we'll get those items back, if ever. Reason why I'm annoyed with how they are also planning on bringing SG scratch to NA. SG sales are pretty predatory as is, and SG scratch will just make them look even greedier than they already are.

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@Military said in Please do not add the SG Scratch into NA as it is now:

I'm not to sure how the star gem scratch will be but seeing the posters, mat, stereo system and music discs in there I kinda would want maybe another option as to get them seeing as how they're non tradeable anyways....idk maybe another form for those items by using regular recycle badges and or mission badges? Maybe just for those items?

Star gem Scratches at least in the JP version held all sorts of NPC based costumes, accessories, voice tickets and hairstyles such as Xion's Outfit, Luthers, Doubles etc.

Basically imagine those NPC outfits we got in the Mission pass, and then put them into a AC Scratch and make it cost SG instead. Also make the items you get bound to the account which acquires it.

I'm not to sure how the star gem scratch will be but seeing the posters, mat, stereo system and music discs in there I kinda would want maybe another option as to get them seeing as how they're non tradeable anyways....idk maybe another form of payment for those items by using regular recycle badges and or mission badges? Maybe just for those items? I would be fine say the items required 10 regular recycle badges and 10 mission badges instead of just the 10 special sg badges? EDIT: Sorry double posted, on my phone.