Regarding the character height restrictions

@ERICK001BC Yeah. That thread had some good arguments, but some people were being pretty irrational and straight up toxic at points, so I wanted to make a new thread. Thanks for posting it though, it does have some good discussion.

@SoppierHades8 said in Regarding the character height restrictions:

@Wiibu said in Regarding the character height restrictions:

@Novaline Yikes, I'm not supporting a nsfw mod for them. People that do that are creepy. I'm just pointing out that female Lalafells can look like kids and can wear skimpy outfits.

So that is your reasoning for PSO to follow the same suite as FF? Sorry, but this entire thread is creepy as hell. You are literally going out of your way to say that you want to create childlike girls in a game that heavily revolves around skimpy outfits. Do not sexualise children, and I don't want to see childlike characters roaming around wearing bikinis - it is disgusting.

Whether your intentions are innocent or not, other people's wont be and i certainly do not want to see them. I'm here for the gameplay, not a sick fetish

FYI this take is always a flawed argument, IE the "why do you even want such a thing in the game, are you a pedophile?" argument.

To make this argument you essentially need to rope in the entire development team of the game who allowed the game to be designed in a way that it allowed the original height restrictions, because after all they designed it that way in the first place.

People like Wiibu just want the game to remain unchanged, even if it's something as arbitrary as height restrictions.

And for the millionth time across the internet, anime lolis are not children. They aren't real.

@Zipzo said in Regarding the character height restrictions:

@SoppierHades8 said in Regarding the character height restrictions:

@Wiibu said in Regarding the character height restrictions:

@Novaline Yikes, I'm not supporting a nsfw mod for them. People that do that are creepy. I'm just pointing out that female Lalafells can look like kids and can wear skimpy outfits.

So that is your reasoning for PSO to follow the same suite as FF? Sorry, but this entire thread is creepy as hell. You are literally going out of your way to say that you want to create childlike girls in a game that heavily revolves around skimpy outfits. Do not sexualise children, and I don't want to see childlike characters roaming around wearing bikinis - it is disgusting.

Whether your intentions are innocent or not, other people's wont be and i certainly do not want to see them. I'm here for the gameplay, not a sick fetish

FYI this take is always a flawed argument, IE the "why do you even want such a thing in the game, are you a pedophile?" argument.

To make this argument you essentially need to rope in the entire development team of the game who allowed the game to be designed in a way that it allowed the original height restrictions, because after all they designed it that way in the first place.

People like Wiibu just want the game to remain unchanged, even if it's something as arbitrary as height restrictions.

And for the millionth time across the internet, anime lolis are not children. They aren't real.

@Zipzo laws say other wise about the anime lolis buddy, art depicting underage or what apears to be underage sexual acts or lewd or obscene images is still child porn.

The PROTECT Act In 2003, Congress found that law enforcement agencies had difficulty in prosecuting cases where computer-generated depictions of children were indistinguishable from depictions of real children. Other cases involved using parts of images of real children to create a composite image that was unidentifiable as a particular child and in a way that prevented even an expert from concluding that parts of images of real children were used. Some cases even involved the disguising of pictures of real children being abused by making the image look computer generated.

As a result, Congress passed the “Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to end the Exploitation of Children Today” (PROTECT) Act. This law prohibits the production, distribution, or possession of a visual depiction of any kind – including an animated motion picture, drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting – that depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct that lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

Why is the First Amendment Not a Defense? The Supreme Court previously ruled that a law banning any depiction of simulated sexual activity by a minor was too broad (Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U.S. 234 (2002)). The PROTECT Act was passed as a response to this ruling.

For this reason, a key word in the PROTECT Act is the word, “obscene.” The Supreme Court ruled in 1973 that the First Amendment protection for freedom of speech does not apply to “obscene” material (Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15 (1973)). Using the word “obscene” in the PROTECT Act eliminated any concern that the law would be considered a violation of First Amendment rights.

@Zipzo

Doesn't matter, they are depicted as children, therefore, they are children. Would you use that same logic for a proportional, human child that was dressed up in outfits that these lolis wear? That it's still a drawing? 😬

@Zipzo Thank you for understanding my position on this. This is essentially the whole argument. The height change does nothing to fix what they view as a problem while limiting people from creating a character that they can be happy with. I don't think they can ever prevent people from making characters that look like a kids and having them wear skimpy clothing unless they completely neuter the character creator to premade characters only or removes the majority of outfits from the game. The fact of the matter is, they would never make either change because changing the character creation even more would lead to a massive outcry and (let's be honest) skimpy outfits are a large chunk of what funds this game.

@Wiibu said in Regarding the character height restrictions:

@Zipzo Thank you for understanding my position on this. This is essentially the whole argument. The height change does nothing to fix what they view as a problem while limiting people from creating a character that they can be happy with. I don't think they can ever prevent people from making characters that look like a kids and having them wear skimpy clothing unless they completely neuter the character creator to premade characters only or removes the majority of outfits from the game. The fact of the matter is, they would never make either change because changing the character creation even more would lead to a massive outcry and (let's be honest) skimpy outfits are a large chunk of what funds this game.

the argument can be made they are just dwarves

Another flawed argument, what's stopping people from screenshotting and reporting people that have child-like characters dressed up in these outfits in-game? If they're getting onto lewd SA and inappropriate names, they can do the same thing for inappropriate character designs, too. All it takes is a lot of people reporting said individual.

@Lord-Papers Exactly. I have a problem with the standpoint that people have that shorter characters are younger. Short races have been in fantasy and Sci-fi for thousands of years and are a large part of role-playing as well. The character height restriction is a dumb change for this reason.

Get over it, it's not going to change so stop highlighting the fact you want to make a child avatar for your sick fantasies. It's plain wrong.

@Novaline To play devils advocate, SA and inappropriate names are easy to report and punish because what it viewed as offensive in these is far easier to define. Determining what is reportable/punishable offense for a character design would be far harder to enforce and lead to a large gray area. I'm sure they wouldn't want to deal with that. With SA it can pretty much be a ban on mature content or offensive speech. The same can be said for offensive names.

@SoppierHades8 Please refrain from posting in this thread if you are going to continue to do this. Assuming that everyone that wants a shorter character has a "sick fantasy" is unbelievably ignorant. This thread isn't for irrational arguments.

@Wiibu I see you mention the lalafell and the T ratring in FF XIV, I am a hradcore 14 player and there is a lot in that game that slipped by the censors, such as escorting a prostitute to one of her clients.

@Wiibu And if people have screenshot evidence of such? What would be stopping them if you have their character name and Xbox tag?

I said I was going to stop replying, but this really just seems like you're adamant about something that only the vocal minority care about. Everyone else has accepted it and moved on.

@Wiibu said in Regarding the character height restrictions:

@SoppierHades8 Please refrain from posting in this thread if you are going to continue to do this. Assuming that everyone that wants a shorter character has a "sick fantasy" is unbelievably ignorant. This thread isn't for irrational arguments.

As I said before, your intentions may be innocent, but to actively go out of your way to try get the game reverted is a little odd. The fact of the matter is, if it's implemented, other sick people will dress them innapropriately.

Let me ask you a question, how will you feel if you see very short, child-like characters running around in skimpy outfits in the game? If you are unphased by it, then you need help. The vast majority of us would rather NOT see anything remotely looking like sexualised children.

@Lord-Papers Yeah. FFXIV has far more mature and darker themes throughout and they still retained a T rating.