AC scratch every 2 weeks is great.

@dalamar said in AC scratch every 2 weeks is great.:

@NIC said in AC scratch every 2 weeks is great.:

@dalamar said in AC scratch every 2 weeks is great.:

@NIC said in AC scratch every 2 weeks is great.:

Honestly, y'all should have known this shit was going to be pushed on everyone as soon as they started reporting that PSO2 NA was pulling in more money then PSO2 JP before NGS's release.

Citation needed, sincerely doubt.

Lower player base and Japanese make more money in general - as well as tolerate gacha more.

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Between April and June PSO2 NA earned more then PSO2 JP, and that was only 1 month into it's release.. meaning in only 1 month it had made what JP made all quarter, according to Sega.

First month is always like 5-10x higher than successive months... current player base is low via steam stats

I know the current playerbase is low, but Sega thought to monetize even more heavily after PSO2 was a success for them, money wise. I'm not saying PSO2 NGS is a success at all, and I honestly doing think NGS has anything to do with this discussion - I'm saying PSO2 was a success.

Really the break we got from AC scratch this week is because it was a new SG scratch instead.


@AngryRhombus563 said in AC scratch every 2 weeks is great.:

2nd, f2p players have more time to collect meseta from dailies, weeklies, and field grind before greedy globalites put new AC items up for near unobtanium prices. Tho im sure the hostile globalites are taking this into account next week may confirm whether or not they really need to do something about the global market.

I do expect the next AC scratch is going to see inflated prices because several players will have the money to pay for it. FOMO is driving demand after all.

@Miraglyth Higher prices are a result of global parasites. Japan doesnt seem affected at all by this fomo concept. Since the scratch duration wont have changed i dont expect any change in this.

@AngryRhombus563 Do you think it is possible that they have more whales and that is why they don't have the fomo issues?

@Furious-0 we have plenty for our average body count, too. The supply of items thrown on the ps from what was obviously the best scratch should prove that. but the poisonous globalites want high prices regardless of supply or fomo. suply constraints simply make stupid prices become even stupider, for global.

heh, I hardly look at the AC stuff currently. I think I bought a couple base looks for two characters and haven't since. Nothing of interest to me, and they've released way more AC tickets to sell than they have content to the game itself.

Not going to buy the AC with either money or meseta unless they get something out in the game itself to do. I don't really see AC tickets as content, it's not adding significant things to play the game to me.

@AngryRhombus563 Demand and fomo is what dictates where the prices end up. You can try to blame players all you want but it's ultimately Sega's fault.

You say Japan doesn't have these issues but I'm pretty sure their popular items are in the millions too. Maybe not to the same extent but you have to wonder why that is if it actually is like that. Japan could have more people scratching at this current time. I know for NA the amount of people scratching has gone down significantly as I keep an eye on the market pretty consistently to snipe good deals. It's not what it used to be, that's for sure.

Japan also probably doesn't have people who abused red boxes in significant numbers (who are still doing it btw) and they most certainly do not have a severe RMT issue which seems to be more present in the NA region compared to the East.

There's a number of reasons but again, all these issues fall back onto Sega. Stop trying to push the blame on "greedy players".

@Zenny Well, let us compare!

Just a few Global: pso2_2021.08.27-20.45.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.46.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.46_1.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.46_2.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.50_1.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.50_2.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.50_3.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.50_4.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.50_5.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_1.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_2.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_3.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_4.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_5.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_6.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_7.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_8.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_9.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_10.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_11.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.51_12.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.52.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.52_1.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.52_1.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.52_5.jpg pso2_2021.08.27-20.52_8.jpg

And a few JP

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I see Global prices being higher than JP prices. Particularly bad are the prices of common items. Even if they are "popular", they are common. Same popular items are dirt cheap on the other side. Its hardly Sega's fault One side decides to charge more than the other. We got the same scratches at the same time for the same duration.

The size of the scroll bar would imply there less of the items on the global market. Less supply, players are encouraged to set higher prices. Either more people are buying as f2p here or less people are pulling on ac.

@AngryRhombus563 Like I said, you need to wonder why those prices are the way they are. I can already see JP has more stock than us.

They probably don't have a severe RMT issue like we do. A lot of people buy gold in NA. They also probably didn't have people red box spamming for over a month and continuing to do so. All this contributes to making the prices higher. Who has the ability to stop this? Sega and only Sega.

Like the fact that you're still trying to shift the blame after realising this is beyond me or perhaps you haven't realised this and choose to ignore it? The market prices are not the players fault in games. It always comes back to design and other factors.

Surely you were around when Cradle got released as a trigger toward the end of ep6. Did you think prices would stay the same when people were making 50mill per hour from it? Were the players at fault for raising their prices?

@Zenny You say a lot of "probablies" without actually checking or providing proof. Next you'll be saying PSO2 cradle is probably why NGS prices are higher, too. Red boxing was banned and the meseta gained through it was removed, thats not a factor. NA don't rapidly buy meseta from RMT, and even if they did that is perfectly illustrating the increased greed of NA people, adding on lazyness. All just excuses to justify one side pricing things higher than the other. You'd say the same things about JP datacenter vs NA datacenter in FFXIV even tho they are at parity in all things including RMT and gather/crafter bots, even tho you can observe the same price differences as shown. Its always the increased greed of western mindsets.

Now, you cant even include all of the east as "not as greedy" because clearly there is only one tiny country included in the east in this particular scenario, but Global unfortunately has "all but that country" to deal with, so even if your particular region doesn't tend to have increased level of greed, areas that do are included. Regardless of what you want to believe in this, "Global" has higher levels of overall greed that that tiny country when it comes to the markets of MMO's. Always been that way. hate the idea if you want.

They can eliminate RMT (but they really cant, not even on JP), and they can take away red box meseta and the results are exactly the same. They are just convenient excuses now. Its just the general placing a higher value, and sometimes an excessive value, on ones belongings.

@AngryRhombus563 said in AC scratch every 2 weeks is great.:

@Zenny You say a lot of "probablies" without actually checking or providing proof.

Well I don't play on the JP server here and I don't plan to just to prove a point that is obvious.

I mean you checked yourself and basically just showed that JP has more stock for scratch items than NA. If there is more supply than meets demand then that is something that contributes to a price drop.

At this point it's just logical thinking. They definitely don't have meseta being injected into their economy like we do. If they did their prices would be fucked, just like ours are right now.

Red boxing was banned and the meseta gained through it was removed, thats not a factor.

You are delusional if you think people are still not doing this. So what if a couple people get banned here and there? Even if the players stop, goldfarmers wont (though I'm sure they have even better means to earn now). Hilarious how you even try to say it's not a factor as so many have gotten away with it and kept their goods. Sega hasn't resolved the problem at all. The damage has been done.

NA don't rapidly buy meseta from RMT, and even if they did that is perfectly illustrating the increased greed of NA people, adding on lazyness.

Load of shit but ok. People buy gold because it's cheaper to simply buy gold to pay for goods than to scratch as buying gold lets you pay for what you want rather than dealing with rng through scratching and other means resulting in spending way less. I mean, lets be real here. Would goldsellers continue to sell PSO2 gold if it wasn't being bought? They treat this game like a business. If they continue to earn money, they'll stick around. If not, then they'll move to something that will.

All just excuses to justify one side pricing things higher than the other. You'd say the same things about JP datacenter vs NA datacenter in FFXIV even tho they are at parity in all things including RMT and gather/crafter bots, even tho you can observe the same price differences as shown. Its always the increased greed of western mindsets.

I play on a JP datacenter and this doesn't seem to be the case? Prices are actually more expensive on my server compared to the western ones.

Now, you cant even include all of the east as "not as greedy" because clearly there is only one tiny country included in the east in this particular scenario, but Global unfortunately has "all but that country" to deal with, so even if your particular region doesn't tend to have increased level of greed, areas that do are included. Regardless of what you want to believe in this, "Global" has higher levels of overall greed that that tiny country when it comes to the markets of MMO's. Always been that way. hate the idea if you want.

What has greed got to do with anything in the current situation? When you have shitloads of meseta injected into the economy through botters and people doing weeklies/red boxes on alts this is what you get. People aren't running a charity. If there's demand for something and people are willing to pay the price that will be what it is worth. The thing is, people are more willing to pay absurd prices when they can continually farm meseta or buy meseta is large amounts from goldsellers.

They can eliminate RMT (but they really cant, not even on JP), and they can take away red box meseta and the results are exactly the same. They are just convenient excuses now. Its just the general placing a higher value, and sometimes an excessive value, on ones belongings.

Excuses lol...you are dead wrong here. I brought up Cradle from base PSO2 because it's pretty much evidence of what happens to the market when shitloads of meseta is injected into the economy.

The prices only started getting stupid in NGS when more people hopped on the red box farm. The goldseller prices also dropped to crazy low levels at one point. It was basically 1 dollar for 1 mill. Put that into perspective. I could get a popular female hairstyle for 5 dollars at current prices if I were to buy gold rather than scratch 30 times to get a ticket to get it.

@Zenny And you have proof of all of it, yourself, huh? nope, just wishful assumptions to make sense of globals/na typical higher prices regardless of supply/demand. theres ample supply of common items on both sides, enough to be able to scroll down. they arent moving, meaning the demand isnt there. but its ok for no demand on global to result in higher prices than JP because of aformentioned excuses. yea, ok. And you can keep bringing up cradle. JP had cradle longer and i can show you the situation of pricing is literally no different.

@NIC said in AC scratch every 2 weeks is great.:

@dalamar said in AC scratch every 2 weeks is great.:

@NIC said in AC scratch every 2 weeks is great.:

Honestly, y'all should have known this shit was going to be pushed on everyone as soon as they started reporting that PSO2 NA was pulling in more money then PSO2 JP before NGS's release.

Citation needed, sincerely doubt.

Lower player base and Japanese make more money in general - as well as tolerate gacha more.

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Between April and June PSO2 NA earned more then PSO2 JP, and that was only 1 month into it's release.. meaning in only 1 month it had made what JP made all quarter, according to Sega.

This is getting real old, every game has a launch bump when it first launches and when additional platforms comes out. Pretty sure Xbox revenue is included in that report also so it is not just 1 month. Just like when NGS launched, you got that 59k player launch bump on steam that is mostly gone by now.

Compare it to Genshin's 250 mil in the first month (and it never reached this number again), or PSO2's 900 mil lifetime revenue, is that 14 mil launch bump really that much? I think SEGA really propped up PSO2 NA a bit too much in that report as COVID decimated their revenue every where else, even the 2nd sentence in that article says it is too early to tell whether the game will generate meaningful revenue in the West.

@AngryRhombus563 Why is gambling for useless aesthetics something to be happy about? Scratches in any form, are gambling at their core. Why can't they just create an actual market place and allow players the choice to buy what they want? Remove things that don't sell to keep the market clean.

Instead, you whales celebrate getting ripped off.

Fools are easily parted from their money, is how the old saying goes.

Raise your standards people. You whales are the leaders here. Sega looks to you to pay for everyone. So demand better. Unless your all happy with a glorified casino/stripper simulator.