Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one)

@Rain-Gnyu said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@Furious-0 said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@DoBarrelRolls Indeed. This isn't the first time @Rain-Gnyu has posted that dumb remark. SEGA - "The game is floundering, let's make it so people are FORCED to pay for it instead with nothing more gained from it!" I'm convinced Rain is just out of touch with reality. Good for him for enjoying the game, but he's loopy if he thinks this game will ever go P2P.

I am trying to warn you guys! They testing it by not giving F2P access to sell on the market. The metrics is right there. You guys are not paying attention! Read between the lines of that interview and their actual actions. Keep on comparing Pso2 NGS to FFXIV and you will get just that, subscription platform you don’t want.

And will fail harder and faster because you know... NGS sucks and wont be able to hold itself under a subcription mode if anything they will just kill global like they did to oceania.

You already have to pay for a subcription in disguise called "premiun" or get reckt.

Idk...AC is 2 dollars a pull. That's not expensive by any means

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@Prancing_Cat said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

I don’t deny they’ve made some very bad decisions in the past ep5 is a very clear example of that, which they had to make a public apology for, but to say a game company wants a game to fail is kind of insane. Think about it pso has been a stable source of income for them for the best part of 20 years now, add in the fact all the losses in revenue due to the COVID-19 outbreak, they would need this game to be doing well finically. While it’s extremely annoying when companies turn off the comments section in videos, they generally do it to stop negative comments spreading which if they didn’t care if the game failed they wouldn’t even bother doing. Not saying I agree with it, it’s just what it is. Our version of ngs is exactly the same has the jp version, we get the same updates (with the exception of a few collabs) and maintenance at the same time.

Apologies mean nothing if you didn't learn anything from them, I also apologize without meaning it when want to get people off me fast.

SEGA doesn't care, they have been near bankruptcy several times (would be another stripe for the tiger) and they are doing pretty good as publishers to care about PSO2 development, they can make a quick buck run away and publish better IP's from other developers.

I was looking at player numbers not percentages. Nearly every game has a pretty big drop off after the initial launch, and it’s a lot easier to get a higher % drop when the player count is a lot smaller to begin with, so comparing the two is kind of like comparing apples and oranges. That’s doesn’t mean people and sega shouldn’t be paying attention to the numbers though.

It's a 90% of population drop, WoW barely lost a little over 50% and they try hard to look bad, nto even Warframe had a drop like this at its begining and we are talking about a game Digital Extreme made in their basement with 10 nerds and making the voice acting themselves (go tot love Rebeca A.K.A. Lotus)

Most of the reward is in the items they drop, and has we’ve already discussed increasing the mesta drops from them is going to do very little to help F2P.

Bring back Zig at least.

We’ve got to very careful how much mesta you can get from the npc, just look at cradle and how quickly that destroyed the economy.

How is the economy not destroyed already when the proportion of meseta you can ear being on sweaty player doesnt even compare to scalpers as I was told three days ago "10M are the new 4M"

I’ve seen this suggestion a few times, and I really don’t think it would have the effect people would want. tI would very likely greatly reduce the money they make in the game and would do very little to reduce the prices of AC items except in maybe the first few days, let me explain.

One of the main reasons people buy AC items is either to flip them, or to store them for later to sell when the item is not in circulation anymore. Doing this would completely remove this option which means far less people buying AC items of the shop, which would then have a knock on effect to people buying the AC scratches. One of the main reasons people buy AC scratch is to make mesta selling them, which is only going to be harder with less people buying of the shop and initially driving prices down making it less profitable for these people to sell their AC items. Which in turn will mean they will buy less AC scratch the supply will go down and prices will go back up, eventually supply and demand will find a new equilibrium with the only difference being now the game is making less money. Then let’s get into what happens once a scratch goes away, you are going to have a situation where the supply is going to run out very fast and prices skyrocketing has a result has no one but the original buyers who didn’t sell the items to begin with would be able to list any of these items, so we are still going to have a situation where we have very high priced AC items.

If you remove re-sell option the items are only going to increase their prices after the Scratches are gone but it doesn't mean revivals won't come each three month, if they add more "Item Tickets" to the AC scratch people would be also encourage to buy more AC not because the item they want would be more scarse and expensive in the future but also they can guatee themselves to have it witouth having to eat noodles the whole month

It will be easier to reach equilibrium implementing both of these solutions at the same time than just let scalpers buying every item when the scratch is about going to go away skyrocketing the prices of the item anyways but with the only difference being ALL OF THEM will belongs to THE SAME GUY.

The bots have had no issue advertising in public up until now, and they’ve stopped since this change has happened so it’s had some effect at least.

The spamming bots where no more than as annoyance as it was mentioned before people with room temperature IQ can google.

Do you really think they would take away one of the main features of premium for the hell of it and not for an actual reason? Of course wether this decision has had the effect they wanted I can’t say has they have never gives us the exact reason why they took it away.

Yes the would, have you seem how many bad descitions can they could make in 5 months? we have been mentioning a lot of them here and we haven't even talk about base PSO2 (that would be a wild ride).

"Create a problem and sell them the solution"

"FORCE everyone to buy Premiun don't even let friends give away stuff for free"

"What could go wrong?"

-RMT has enter the chat-

They are doing thing that EA, Activisio, Microsoft and Ubi have done for years unless you have been living under a rock at it's blowing in their faces now but apparently SEGA didn't get the memo.

Yep all the mesta you make is to be used on the player store, wether that be weapon, units, affixes, cosmetics. While I personally loved the idea of Zig, I know not everyone liked it so they’ve at least for now anyway gone away from npc vendors and everything that is worth is buying is through the player shop.

"I know not everyone liked it"

Can you guess who didn't like it? yes, the same people that controls the market, they don't like to farm nor even play the game, they just want to buy anything and sell everything and flex like they actually earned it but they can't even pull aggro with the best equipment they can buy.

RMT isnt the only way to get mesta In these countries you can buy gift cards for a country that you can purchase AC from. Also pretty sure it has nothing to do with the USA government, and the laws of that specific country, like holland having very strict gacha laws.

"Holland"

Bruh... I wish I live in FREAKING HOLLAND! that is a first world country.

I'm telling you something beneath USA there is over 20 countries and we are all just as bad (some worse than other) all of them are 3rd world (forget about easy credit cards and steam cards here) and somes of them are literally sanctioned by the US and SEGA can't sell stuff to them, it's a very specific list (it doesn't make them outliars thou) that includes countries like Siria, Venezuela, Cuba, Lebanon, ETC a list of countries you know they don't worry about their citizen well being like HOLLAND >_>.

I had to make a friend jump through hoops and use VPN to be able to gift AC to him.

You’re also comparing a game that’s been out for years and has had multiple expansions to a game that’s only just come out. The original version of ff xiv was so bad they had to shut it down and go back to the drawing board. That doesn’t mean ngs doesn’t have its own flaws that need to be addressed, but comparing ffxiv and ngs at when they had been out for the same amount of time would be a more realistic comparison

We can compare them to warframe at the start and they warframe would still look better, also we can still compare it to FFXIV for a thing... they literally built the game over the bones of the OLD one which has 8 years of content.

Yet they decided to stop supporting old pso2 and even worse MUTILATED IT which mean it's all their fault that we can't even have a excuse to go back and distract ourselves on OLD PSO2 there is nothing else for us but a broken market and I can't even tell new players to go there to get FUN scratch items because even the FUN items are MILLIONS somes are HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS and they is no way to get them again.

Theirs only a handful of cosmetics items that are truly unavailable to F2P which are the items locked behind scratch bonuses

Tecnically all of them if you need millions to get them and the game says "nope"

everything else can be brought with ingame mesta. Of course has a F2P you are going to have to pretty selective with what you buy but the option is still there

Scalpers think other wise so your options are trash

You can also edit your char for free has well the game gives you saloon passes and you can earn SG to buy additional passes if you want.

-Without cosmetics it's meaninless -N-color passes so I don't even have the option to buy a cheap version of the item I want from the players shop and color it to my liking (they don't even sell these ones on the AC-shop which is weird)

  • there is no way to farm SG without going to OLD pso2 (mutilated pso2) go to the casino monthly or even worse... PVP.

I find this very hard to believe, at least without seeing some very significant evidence. Look at all those ark reports they published had very detailed stats on a whole range of stats. If you have something to show but don’t feel comfortable sharing on the forums can always message me it.

I don't even know who you are, no.

Well mr cat. I cant wait to play your awesome game. Your just teaming with ideas and know how ro make a profitable free game. I bet you will have new content everyday since your just a pro programmer. And you must be a psychologist as well or a world renowned wxpert since your are so good at identifying what a companies intentions are. Please show all of us how its done since it comes to you so easily. And please dont stop prancing mr cat as thats your power.

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@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@Prancing_Cat said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

Apologies mean nothing if you didn't learn anything from them, I also apologize without meaning it when want to get people off me fast.

SEGA doesn't care, they have been near bankruptcy several times (would be another stripe for the tiger) and they are doing pretty good as publishers to care about PSO2 development, they can make a quick buck run away and publish better IP's from other developers.

In the last 10 years pso2 has made them over 900 million, here’s the link to the report. https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nintendoenthusiast.com/phantasy-star-online-2-has-made-over-900-million-in-sales-since-2012/amp/

I unfortunately couldn’t find how much they’ve made from their other IPs over the same time but I’d be very surprised if anything else came close, and even if it did it’s kind of irrelevant. You are saying that sega are intentionally trying to make a game franchise that has made them this much money intentionally fail is insane, and is a big brain idea equal to what they had for ep 5. They are going to want this kind of revenue coming in for another 10 years, regardless of how much they make from other franchises.

I was looking at player numbers not percentages. Nearly every game has a pretty big drop off after the initial launch, and it’s a lot easier to get a higher % drop when the player count is a lot smaller to begin with, so comparing the two is kind of like comparing apples and oranges. That’s doesn’t mean people and sega shouldn’t be paying attention to the numbers though.

It's a 90% of population drop, WoW barely lost a little over 50% and they try hard to look bad, nto even Warframe had a drop like this at its begining and we are talking about a game Digital Extreme made in their basement with 10 nerds and making the voice acting themselves (go tot love Rebeca A.K.A. Lotus)

It’s hard to accurately compare percentages when the numbers are so vastly different 50k + players isn’t even a drop in a bucket for wow, well it wasn’t anyway.

We’ve got to very careful how much mesta you can get from the npc, just look at cradle and how quickly that destroyed the economy.

How is the economy not destroyed already when the proportion of meseta you can ear being on sweaty player doesnt even compare to scalpers as I was told three days ago "10M are the new 4M"

Anything that is in scratch even the most popular is sitting around 4-6mil, obviously anything that’s is out of scratch has gone higher, but that has always happened, and locking items once they have been brought will doing nothing to help this. The only recent items I can see going for this amount are the high end Fixa skills on the new evo weapon series, and that would be brought down in price by giving F2P some access to sell on the market.

I’ve seen this suggestion a few times, and I really don’t think it would have the effect people would want. tI would very likely greatly reduce the money they make in the game and would do very little to reduce the prices of AC items except in maybe the first few days, let me explain.

One of the main reasons people buy AC items is either to flip them, or to store them for later to sell when the item is not in circulation anymore. Doing this would completely remove this option which means far less people buying AC items of the shop, which would then have a knock on effect to people buying the AC scratches. One of the main reasons people buy AC scratch is to make mesta selling them, which is only going to be harder with less people buying of the shop and initially driving prices down making it less profitable for these people to sell their AC items. Which in turn will mean they will buy less AC scratch the supply will go down and prices will go back up, eventually supply and demand will find a new equilibrium with the only difference being now the game is making less money. Then let’s get into what happens once a scratch goes away, you are going to have a situation where the supply is going to run out very fast and prices skyrocketing has a result has no one but the original buyers who didn’t sell the items to begin with would be able to list any of these items, so we are still going to have a situation where we have very high priced AC items.

If you remove re-sell option the items are only going to increase their prices after the Scratches are gone but it doesn't mean revivals won't come each three month, if they add more "Item Tickets" to the AC scratch people would be also encourage to buy more AC not because the item they want would be more scarse and expensive in the future but also they can guatee themselves to have it witouth having to eat noodles the whole month

Sure they could add more tickets to the prizes to encourage to scratch more, but I don’t think you realise how often they would need to do revivals in order to keep the price down on items that aren’t not in scratch, if they locked the items after selling, and we already have people saying we have far too many scratches.

The bots have had no issue advertising in public up until now, and they’ve stopped since this change has happened so it’s had some effect at least.

The spamming bots where no more than as annoyance as it was mentioned before people with room temperature IQ can google.

You’re missing the point I’m making here. It’s so easy for bots to spam in game atm, it’s a F2P game so they can just keep making new accounts. But they’ve seemed to have completely disappeared from in game, so what ever sega is doing is working and taking steps in the right direction to reduce RMT. The only reason they would stop advertising in game atm is because they aren’t making enough money from it to make it worth their time. Does this mean RMT has been stopped completely? of course not, if someone really wants to do it theirs going to be options out there for them.

Do you really think they would take away one of the main features of premium for the hell of it and not for an actual reason? Of course wether this decision has had the effect they wanted I can’t say has they have never gives us the exact reason why they took it away.

Yes the would, have you seem how many bad descitions can they could make in 5 months? we have been mentioning a lot of them here and we haven't even talk about base PSO2 (that would be a wild ride).

"Create a problem and sell them the solution"

"FORCE everyone to buy Premiun don't even let friends give away stuff for free"

"What could go wrong?"

-RMT has enter the chat-

What problem have they created by taking away trading that they are currently trying to sell back to us? They are hardly forcing anyone to buy premium, most people agree that premium isn’t worth getting atm cause it doesn’t give enough benefit, which is the complete opposite of forcing someone to get premium. We’ve had issues with RMT long before they decided to take away trading.

They are doing thing that EA, Activisio, Microsoft and Ubi have done for years unless you have been living under a rock at it's blowing in their faces now but apparently SEGA didn't get the memo.

Can’t really deny sega have made some bad decisions, they really should have just delayed this game by 6 months and released it when the winter update is scheduled to hit. It would have been a lot more polished game for it.

Yep all the mesta you make is to be used on the player store, wether that be weapon, units, affixes, cosmetics. While I personally loved the idea of Zig, I know not everyone liked it so they’ve at least for now anyway gone away from npc vendors and everything that is worth is buying is through the player shop.

"I know not everyone liked it"

Can you guess who didn't like it? yes, the same people that controls the market, they don't like to farm nor even play the game, they just want to buy anything and sell everything and flex like they actually earned it but they can't even pull aggro with the best equipment they can buy.

While I’m sure some people are like this, theirs so many different ways to control and play the market I doubt taking away weapons and units away from the market would have made that much difference to these players. The people I know who didn’t like it, was they generally didn’t like the idea of the best gear being available from an npc. Not sure what someone’s personal skill level has anything to do with the conversation we are having.

RMT isnt the only way to get mesta In these countries you can buy gift cards for a country that you can purchase AC from. Also pretty sure it has nothing to do with the USA government, and the laws of that specific country, like holland having very strict gacha laws.

"Holland"

Bruh... I wish I live in FREAKING HOLLAND! that is a first world country.

I'm telling you something beneath USA there is over 20 countries and we are all just as bad (some worse than other) all of them are 3rd world (forget about easy credit cards and steam cards here) and somes of them are literally sanctioned by the US and SEGA can't sell stuff to them, it's a very specific list (it doesn't make them outliars thou) that includes countries like Siria, Venezuela, Cuba, Lebanon, ETC a list of countries you know they don't worry about their citizen well being like HOLLAND >_>.

I’ll openly admit I don’t know all the inns and outs of all the different laws, and I just checked all those countries aren’t listed in the official licensed ones, so I can definitely see playing from those countries would be difficult to acquire AC from. Though that’s an issue with the local laws and playing from an unlicensed country than an issue with the game itself.

You’re also comparing a game that’s been out for years and has had multiple expansions to a game that’s only just come out. The original version of ff xiv was so bad they had to shut it down and go back to the drawing board. That doesn’t mean ngs doesn’t have its own flaws that need to be addressed, but comparing ffxiv and ngs at when they had been out for the same amount of time would be a more realistic comparison

We can compare them to warframe at the start and they warframe would still look better, also we can still compare it to FFXIV for a thing... they literally built the game over the bones of the OLD one which has 8 years of content.

Yet they decided to stop supporting old pso2 and even worse MUTILATED IT which mean it's all their fault that we can't even have a excuse to go back and distract ourselves on OLD PSO2 there is nothing else for us but a broken market and I can't even tell new players to go there to get FUN scratch items because even the FUN items are MILLIONS somes are HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS and they is no way to get them again.

Yeah I’m not exactly pleased with the state they left pso2 in, especially when you compare it to the maintenance mode that jp got.

Theirs only a handful of cosmetics items that are truly unavailable to F2P which are the items locked behind scratch bonuses

Tecnically all of them if you need millions to get them and the game says "nope"

everything else can be brought with ingame mesta. Of course has a F2P you are going to have to pretty selective with what you buy but the option is still there

Scalpers think other wise so your options are trash

Scalpers aren’t a new thing, and they aren’t exclusive to ngs either. Even if the items are priced highly they are still available to be brought, and a lot of this issue could alleviated by giving F2P some access to the shop, so they can actually sell the items they farm, which will rise in price along with inflation and allow them to keep up a lot better.

You can also edit your char for free has well the game gives you saloon passes and you can earn SG to buy additional passes if you want.

-Without cosmetics it's meaninless

A lot of fashion and accessories are pretty reasonable priced, it’s only a few hairstyles, emotes and out of scratch items that have a high price tag, so you can definitely still buy cosmetics to design your character. Are you going to be able to buy everything you want, probably not, but that’s not the same has not having access to any cosmetics.

-N-color passes so I don't even have the option to buy a cheap version of the item I want from the players shop and color it to my liking (they don't even sell these ones on the AC-shop which is weird)

How hard colour passes to get atm are definitely a problem, hopefully when we get the mission pass, we will be able to get them from that which was our main source in pso2.

  • there is no way to farm SG without going to OLD pso2 (mutilated pso2) go to the casino monthly or even worse... PVP.

True, but they’ve been handing out a lot of SG, plus they are making changes to the casino passes where you are going to be getting 5 per character for doing the daily’s so even F2P can easily max the SG from the casino each week. You’ve also got buster medals which are farmable from XQ4, and challenge mode. All the things that are unavailable in pso2 atm are not needed to clear any of this content, so it’s all very achievable if someone wants to put the time in.

I find this very hard to believe, at least without seeing some very significant evidence. Look at all those ark reports they published had very detailed stats on a whole range of stats. If you have something to show but don’t feel comfortable sharing on the forums can always message me it.

I don't even know who you are, no.

That’s your right, but without any evidence what you’re saying is pure hear say, especially when we have very clear evidence that they have very detailed stats from pso2. Yet they somehow lost this ability for ngs.

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@Prancing_Cat said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@Prancing_Cat said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@TEN-SQUARE-3 said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

In the last 10 years pso2 has made them over 900 million, here’s the link to the report. https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nintendoenthusiast.com/phantasy-star-online-2-has-made-over-900-million-in-sales-since-2012/amp/

I unfortunately couldn’t find how much they’ve made from their other IPs over the same time but I’d be very surprised if anything else came close, and even if it did it’s kind of irrelevant. You are saying that sega are intentionally trying to make a game franchise that has made them this much money intentionally fail is insane, and is a big brain idea equal to what they had for ep 5. They are going to want this kind of revenue coming in for another 10 years, regardless of how much they make from other franchises.

900m in 10 years are not impressive numbers that is like 30m closure for quarter year nothing compared to other MMO that have been in the market with them in the same time and even with that they let oceania server die.

They don't give a damn about global if anything is microsoft losing its money not even sega.

It’s hard to accurately compare percentages when the numbers are so vastly different 50k + players isn’t even a drop in a bucket for wow, well it wasn’t anyway.

it's not hard, its a simple rule of thumb if 100% = 60k then 4k how many would be? it's about killing your players population

Anything that is in scratch even the most popular is sitting around 4-6mil, obviously anything that’s is out of scratch has gone higher, but that has always happened, and locking items once they have been brought will doing nothing to help this. The only recent items I can see going for this amount are the high end Fixa skills on the new evo weapon series, and that would be brought down in price by giving F2P some access to sell on the market.

that is a lot of meseta and older ones are going even higher over 12m because scalpers and they have a ton of them still there, they need to be stoped from flipping

Sure they could add more tickets to the prizes to encourage to scratch more, but I don’t think you realise how often they would need to do revivals in order to keep the price down on items that aren’t not in scratch, if they locked the items after selling, and we already have people saying we have far too many scratches.

Revivals happened each 3m in JP already and the constant idea of a revival coming won't allow them to push over ridiculous prices or they won't be able to make proffit from them once the revival hits.

You’re missing the point I’m making here. It’s so easy for bots to spam in game atm, it’s a F2P game so they can just keep making new accounts. But they’ve seemed to have completely disappeared from in game, so what ever sega is doing is working and taking steps in the right direction to reduce RMT. The only reason they would stop advertising in game atm is because they aren’t making enough money from it to make it worth their time. Does this mean RMT has been stopped completely? of course not, if someone really wants to do it theirs going to be options out there for them.

They just raided the whole forum yesterday we had 2 pages of deleted post and admins runnign in circles , do I need ot say more?

What problem have they created by taking away trading that they are currently trying to sell back to us? They are hardly forcing anyone to buy premium, most people agree that premium isn’t worth getting atm cause it doesn’t give enough benefit, which is the complete opposite of forcing someone to get premium. We’ve had issues with RMT long before they decided to take away trading.

They indirectly force you to buy premiun because otherwise you can't make proffit in this game, we already stated that F2P are screwed in everyway and the other problem is that we can't even give things for free to other players to help them (at least in base we had the capsule machine)

Again it did nothing against RMT

While I’m sure some people are like this, theirs so many different ways to control and play the market I doubt taking away weapons and units away from the market would have made that much difference to these players. The people I know who didn’t like it, was they generally didn’t like the idea of the best gear being available from an npc. Not sure what someone’s personal skill level has anything to do with the conversation we are having.

They gear was in a NPC but you had to PLAY THE GAME to farm for them, that is what they don't like and the personal skill matters because they don't have them, they can't farm for the materials without being carried

I’ll openly admit I don’t know all the inns and outs of all the different laws, and I just checked all those countries aren’t listed in the official licensed ones, so I can definitely see playing from those countries would be difficult to acquire AC from. Though that’s an issue with the local laws and playing from an unlicensed country than an issue with the game itself.

It's not even their goverments in these places.

Scalpers aren’t a new thing, and they aren’t exclusive to ngs either. Even if the items are priced highly they are still available to be brought, and a lot of this issue could alleviated by giving F2P some access to the shop, so they can actually sell the items they farm, which will rise in price along with inflation and allow them to keep up a lot better.

Scalpers have never been a new thing nobody ever said that but they never tried to FIX IT

A lot of fashion and accessories are pretty reasonable priced, it’s only a few hairstyles, emotes and out of scratch items that have a high price tag, so you can definitely still buy cosmetics to design your character. Are you going to be able to buy everything you want, probably not, but that’s not the same has not having access to any cosmetics.

Only ugly ones and no you don't have access to any cosmetics if they face slap you with those prices in the player market making anything "decent" over 1m that will take you 1 week to farm and probably already scalped, the only accesories we can really considere that we can own are the event cosmetics like the icomming sonic and Xianty, we need more of those things

True, but they’ve been handing out a lot of SG, plus they are making changes to the casino passes where you are going to be getting 5 per character for doing the daily’s so even F2P can easily max the SG from the casino each week. You’ve also got buster medals which are farmable from XQ4, and challenge mode. All the things that are unavailable in pso2 atm are not needed to clear any of this content, so it’s all very achievable if someone wants to put the time in.

I could do that because I'm old and burned of NGS actual content but New players came to play NGS not base PSO2 and we already mentioned that I can't recommend them to do it because it would feel more like a punishment to new players for the horrible way they managed based PSO2.

That’s your right, but without any evidence what you’re saying is pure hear say, especially when we have very clear evidence that they have very detailed stats from pso2. Yet they somehow lost this ability for ngs.

All I can say is that I can say nothing, things I know can backfire but become friend of any GM if you can.

Everything the OP has stated are the exact reasons why the JP community is as angry as we should be. Socializing to them is as important as the combat to us and with everything being neglecting right now, just know that the East is just as mad as the West

@Rain-Gnyu said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

F2P players who don’t want to support the game but want same advantages a premium player has. Your YouTube bandwagon favorite are going to abandon the F2P community to ride that money train!!!!

Just to clarify; I'm not f2p (at least not til active premium runs out in a few days lol) but this point isn't 100% meaninful. Sega's f2p model is dated as hell and inefficient. Warframe is the example I love to use because it is incredibly successful, more-so than pso2/ngs will likely ever be. That game has no gacha, no premium subscription, and free players are able to trade for that game's equivalent of AC.

Warframe has it's own issues, but their f2p system straight up works better, there's less controversy surrounding it, and the lack of premium subscriptions avoids this whole situation where people diss each other for being/not being subscribed.

Tbh this update to the Global TOS doesn't look good at all in this specific moment, it is not like they just forgot to add it from the begining, they probably just reminded about it because they want to pull the plug.

I hope to be wrong really wish to be wrong but then I remember Oceania server and it scares the shit out of me.

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@WilerPrime A lot of people have said that doesnt mean what it looks like it means but I think that very first line says exactly what it means. Its way too optimistic to assume otherwise.

And on that note, Global ships are offline xD Oh but its Emergency maint for JP and Global for the augment success rate display bug.

But really... I gotta reitterate what I've said about the continued separation of 'Global' and Japan clients before NGS launched. They do so so they can, at any time, cease simultaneous content updates whenever they finally get tired of it, and be able to shut one side down separately at any time without harming their main playerbase. Its been setup from the get go to be cut off without hardship (for them). History should show that they've no problem with doing either. You know the current director will just put on that crocodile smile no matter what happens with or what they do with global. That addition to the TOS just reinforces what ive said. Thats how it reads to me.

@AngryRhombus563 said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@WilerPrime A lot of people have said that doesnt mean what it looks like it means but I think that very first line says exactly what it means. Its way too optimistic to assume otherwise.

And on that note, Global ships are offline xD Oh but its Emergency maint for JP and Global for the augment success rate display bug.

But really... I gotta reitterate what I've said about the continued separation of 'Global' and Japan clients before NGS launched. They do so so they can, at any time, cease simultaneous content updates whenever they finally get tired of it, and be able to shut one side down separately at any time without harming their main playerbase. Its been setup from the get go to be cut off without hardship (for them). History should show that they've no problem with doing either. You know the current director will just put on that crocodile smile no matter what happens with or what they do with global. That addition to the TOS just reinforces what ive said. Thats how it reads to me.

I really do think people are reading too much into this atm. Like i said in the other thread im amazed somethig like this wasnt in the ToS to begin with, has its ToS 101 due to how all online service games regardless of how popular they are eventaully shut down. If this was in the ToS from the get go no one would even be mentioning it. Now if we start falling behind in content updates, getting bug fixes later than jp serves then i would say thats when you should be concerned about what plans sega has for the global servers. This is what happeneed with PSU before it shut down, but even then the servers still went for what 5 years?

We've had a very quick reaction to the affixing rates being dispalyed wrong, we are being kept up to date with jp in terms of updates and bug fixes so thats says to me, that for the time being anyway that they arent thinking about shutting down the global servers. One thing I am curious about though was this added to the jp ToS has well, was it all ready there, or do they currently not having a clause like this?

@TEN-SQUARE-3 It is indeed TOS 101 to state that they can shutdown the service at any time without having to refund a dime. They certainly have to add it before shutting global down :3 I've already managed my expectations of their update schedule. They can only pleasantly surprise me if it doesn't start to become desynced within 365 days of NGS service.

And i'm pretty sure that affix rate bug may not be just a display error. We don't need 8 hour emergency maint for a mere display error, nor do we need a hundred in-game service messages about it. Just showed me they really wanted to deter people from getting extra success rate :3

@AngryRhombus563 said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

@TEN-SQUARE-3 It is indeed TOS 101 to state that they can shutdown the service at any time without having to refund a dime. They certainly have to add it before shutting global down :3 I've already managed my expectations of their update schedule. They can only pleasantly surprise me if it doesn't start to become desynced within 365 days of NGS service.

And i'm pretty sure that affix rate bug may not be just a display error. We don't need 8 hour emergency maint for a mere display error, nor do we need a hundred in-game service messages about it. Just showed me they really wanted to deter people from getting extra success rate :3

Yeah i was surprised to see a 6 hour maintance for what was a display error.

@WilerPrime said in Why SEGA wants NGS to fail? (my love letter to a dying love one):

Tbh this update to the Global TOS doesn't look good at all in this specific moment, it is not like they just forgot to add it from the begining, they probably just reminded about it because they want to pull the plug.

I hope to be wrong really wish to be wrong but then I remember Oceania server and it scares the shit out of me.

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They going to subscription platform is the only reason I think they would place this in the TOS now.