SEGA confirms Casino Coins restricted to real money payments

TL;DR An evening in the Casino with some friends could cost you half a months wages, SEGA confirms there are no alternatives, the greed is EA level at this point.

As some of you may know (and many do not) the Casino in PSO2 was available to all and could be played via Casino Coins acquired through Passes which were given out upon login once per day, alongside the Extreme Quest Pass.

This is no longer the case as Casino Coins cannot be obtained via this method any more, instead they are only available via a paid (with real money) option, which involves exchanging AC Scratch Ticket items.

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This effectively makes the Casino a paid feature that involves genuine gambling but without any real world value pay-out.

With the launch of NGS many players have called SEGA "greedy" and "desperate for money" due to their hard doubling down on cosmetic scratches and bonus items rewarded for doing scratches worth upwards of around £75, €80, $90 etc.

I reached out to the support team to confirm whether there was an alternative available, their response is below confirming this is now restricted to paying customers only.

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Lets break this down a little, I'll be using GBP because that's my native currency, also note that I'm not using bundles or the 450 CC item because this alone puts the point across, saving £0.10 isn't a saving.

100 AC is £0.79

One AC Scratch Ticket item costs 200 AC

This means it would cost £1.58 for per AC Scratch Ticket item which works out to 50 Casino Coins.

Here's Arkuma Slots:

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To have enough coins to play Arkuma Slots, I'd need 500 which would translate to:

£7.90 = 1000 AC = 5 AC Scratch Ticket Items = 250 Casino Coins. (not including the 450 option)

Double this to get enough for 500 and it means one game of Arkuma Slots costs £15.80, you can fail within the first few stages and you get nothing in return whatsoever, roughly an hours wage for many (more for some across the world) for less than ten minutes of so-called entertainment.

I recently failed three plays in a row due to bad luck (is it really bad luck?) which would put me out of pocket by £47.40 for less than 15 minutes of so-called gameplay.

Other games cost varying amounts, Rappy Slots is between 1-5, whereas Mesetan Shooter is 100 CC for Bronze Mode or 200 CC for Silver Mode.

For fun you can work out the value of my current wallet which is 39,245 CC. It's not great.

Nobody really wants to spend hard earned money on these arguably low satisfaction games with no real pay-out to speak of, especially where there's a complete loss option, and I doubt players will be doing this as it seems like a complete waste of money to spend half a month's wages on Arkuma Slots for maybe a couple of hours, but the fact that SEGA even suggests this is how they intend for us to play their in-game Casino games strikes me the wrong way entirely and makes me reconsider my support for this series, a game I've been playing for almost ten years at this point.

I wanted to see what other players thought about this move, as it certainly doubles down very hard on their recent changes to a more paid

Some slight corrections have been made, the costs are higher than I had initially thought due to a mistake in my working out. SEGA have reached the peak of greed.

Sega has reached a new low for this game. When you thought it couldn't get any worse...

@JoycieC said in SEGA confirms Casino Coins restricted to real money payments:

As some of you may know (and many do not) the Casino in PSO2 was available to all and could be played via Casino Coins acquired through Passes which were given out upon login once per day, alongside the Extreme Quest Pass.

I don't recall casino passes being given out daily like an extreme pass, but rather login rewards (which are discontinued in base game, so valid point) and login campaigns.

@JoycieC said in SEGA confirms Casino Coins restricted to real money payments:

This is no longer the case as Casino Coins cannot be obtained via this method any more, instead they are only available via a paid (with real money) option, which involves exchanging AC Scratch Ticket items.

Although I can't confirm this since I didn't double check my inventory before entering, my new character on a different ship got a casino pass as soon as I accepted the client order to use redeem a pass for coins, which rewards another pass and unlock other COs which reward passes. alt text

Beyond that though, once you lose all your casino coins you are kind of SOL without recycle badges. Though I'd honestly attribute it less to greed and more of them not thinking it through (which can be said for alot of problems with the game). Ideally players should be able to purchase CC to a maximum limit and the rest would have to be earned through actually playing the attractions. I'm not sure how I feel about being able to buy casino rewards without playing the casino (in reference to casino passes being given out/exchanged)

@ShaofRiches Casino Coin Passes were given every day upon login, this stopped with the update that brought us NGS.

This is how they were distributed ever since the Casino was introduced back in 2014 if memory serves correctly.

Client Order rewards are a valid point, albeit extremely limited so I'm not sure if they count.

In regards to the greed vs not considering all the options, this is very possible however they made a conscious decision to remove the Casino pass from the daily login, it's hard to say what their intentions were but with the changes made since the launch of NGS it does speak volumes about the direction of their monetisation plans.

@JoycieC I can say with absolute certainty that you did not get daily casino passes outside of campaigns, because otherwise I would distinctly remember having to manually deposit them to storage every, single, day because rewards/item claimings do not automatically get sent to material storage.

Client Order rewards are a valid point, albeit extremely limited so I'm not sure if they count. Nontheless, it's still something to get started, though I agree that there should be a way to players to get more coins if they're below a certain threshold. Again imo, casino rewards should be gained from actually playing the caisno, not exchanging ex-cubes/FUN.

In regards to the greed vs not considering all the options, this is very possible however they made a conscious decision to remove the Casino pass from the daily login, it's hard to say what their intentions were but with the changes made since the launch of NGS it does speak volumes about the direction of their monetisation plans.

Itss more on them discontinuing events/campaigns that gave out casino passes rather than remove the daily passes (which were never a thing to begin with). A lot of things with NGS (at least for global) has been poorly planned, from their scratch bonus to the timing of the anniversary scratches.

@JoycieC said in SEGA confirms Casino Coins restricted to real money payments:

@ShaofRiches Casino Coin Passes were given every day upon login, this stopped with the update that brought us NGS.

This is how they were distributed ever since the Casino was introduced back in 2014 if memory serves correctly.

There were casino passes on that daily login stamp card and you got them from "Casino Pass Distribution" (something like that) campaigns. The campaign was incredibly common but not daily.

If you want casino coins just grind mesetan shooter for a while, IMO its the best game there and with even a very little amount of skill you should be able to profit every run even without PSE

@Tis-A-Cat Yes, daily stamp is what I was referring to, but those were given out like once every 7th day or something.

Confirming, casino pass distributions were absolutely not every day, but we generally had 1-2 weeks of casino boost campaigns each month.

What sort of insanity is this?

@Miraglyth said in SEGA confirms Casino Coins restricted to real money payments:

Confirming, casino pass distributions were absolutely not every day, but we generally had 1-2 weeks of casino boost campaigns each month.

@ShaofRiches said in SEGA confirms Casino Coins restricted to real money payments:

@JoycieC I can say with absolute certainty that you did not get daily casino passes outside of campaigns, because otherwise I would distinctly remember having to manually deposit them to storage every, single, day because rewards/item claimings do not automatically get sent to material storage.

I'm not sure why you don't recall this but I can say with absolute certainty as somebody that has been playing since the Japanese Beta release, yes Casino Coin Passes were provided every day upon login, this is very well documented across various forums and articles announcing the Casino for JP release, and this continued in Global's release which I've also been playing since the Xbox Beta, we were always given a Casino Pass every day.

"Every day you'll receive a "Coin Pass"..."
"Every 24 hours you get a Casino Coin Pass worth 100 CC"

If this isn't enough, then here are four log files from my own game:

2020-07-21T14:21:36	20	[Leave-ToWarehouse15]	10000129	JoycieC	Extreme Pass	Num(1)
2020-07-21T14:21:36	21	[Leave-ToWarehouse15]	10000129	JoycieC	Casino Coin Pass	Num(2)
020-07-22T18:59:29	442	[Leave-ToWarehouse15]	10000129	JoycieC	Extreme Pass	Num(1)
2020-07-22T18:59:29	443	[Leave-ToWarehouse15]	10000129	JoycieC	Casino Coin Pass	Num(1)
2021-03-05T19:48:09	145	[Leave-ToWarehouse2]	10000129	JoycieC	Extreme Pass	Num(1)
2021-03-05T19:48:09	146	[Leave-ToWarehouse2]	10000129	JoycieC	Casino Coin Pass	Num(1)
2021-03-06T22:13:06	317	[Leave-ToWarehouse2]	10000129	JoycieC	Extreme Pass	Num(1)
2021-03-06T22:13:06	318	[Leave-ToWarehouse2]	10000129	JoycieC	Casino Coin Pass	Num(1)

You can check your log files located in the Documents folder, it was every day and always has been until NGS launched.

I hope this helps clear up any confusion you may have had about the distribution of the Casino Pass.

@Tis-A-Cat said in SEGA confirms Casino Coins restricted to real money payments:

If you want casino coins just grind mesetan shooter for a while, IMO its the best game there and with even a very little amount of skill you should be able to profit every run even without PSE

I only ever lost. all the games were crap

@JoycieC said in SEGA confirms Casino Coins restricted to real money payments:

You can check your log files located in the Documents folder, it was every day and always has been until NGS launched.

2020-12-08T01:37:30	6	[Leave-ToWarehouse15]	Miraglyth	Extreme Pass	Num(1)
2020-12-08T01:37:30	7	[Leave-ToWarehouse15]	Miraglyth	Casino Coin Pass	Num(1)
2020-12-10T01:06:48	32	[Leave-ToWarehouse15]	Miraglyth	Extreme Pass	Num(1)
2020-12-11T01:46:24	20	[Leave-ToWarehouse15]	Miraglyth	Extreme Pass	Num(1)
2020-12-12T00:39:34	46	[Leave-ToWarehouse15]	Miraglyth	Extreme Pass	Num(1)
2020-12-12T19:04:46	1	[Leave-ToWarehouse15]	Miraglyth	Casino Coin Pass	Num(1)

Pretty big gap without any log mention of Casino Coin Passes there, and I could find a few more like it. Yes there were more than I expected (135 between 26 Nov 2020 and 07 Jun 2021 which is about 70% of days) and no lengthy gaps (likely assisted by other sources) but it was not every day.

By the way you might wish to remove your 8-digit player ID there. That's a unique account identifier recently used for the item and stamp design contests and there might be potential for malicious players to use it to impersonate you such as by submitting a punishably offensive entry in a future contest.

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I do not have any records of obtaining casino passes after through 6 different logs.

Yes there were more than I expected (135 between 26 Nov 2020 and 07 Jun 2021

There were campaigns that give out 5 passes daily that went on for 2 weeks at a time. These were also very frequent enough that you'd see at least one campaign per month. I personally just let them stack up to claim them all at once

Out of morbid curiosity, i installed notepad++ to mass search my entire log directory alt text

I definitely have not been getting casino passes per day.