Disgusted by certain players!

When I play MMO's I always turn off most of the chat anyways. It's nice to know there is an option to turn off the racist and sexist art that is in the game.

@Nuebot said in Disgusted by certain players!:

It's not a difficult solution and it is baffling how many people are rushing in to trip over themselves and defend the honor of porn spammers and racists.

This, very much this. And from my observations on the PSO2 JP server, I think it's because so many people have become accustomed to that being the default behavior in the largest lobbies of this game in particular, as well as in western mmos in general. I think that the sole exception i've seen to this was FFXIV, but that's because Sony went out and took a nuclear banhammer to even the slightest suggestion of misconduct.

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

No one is defending them.

You march in here and tell people that blocking any and all communication while letting, and actually encouraging, people to continue breaking the actual rules to run rampant. That's defending them.

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

its like people dig around to be offended by something.

And like in every post you defenders make, you refuse to actually read what's being said and instead try to paint it as people just looking to be offended. This is exactly why gaming communities have become toxic havens for white supremacists and other collectives of bigots, because when they set up shop and people go "This is getting weird, where's the moderation" people like you are always quick to storm in and go "GEEZE STOP LOOKING TO BE OFFENDED JUST TURN OFF CHAT AND SILENCE YOURSELF". And what's the point of playing a social game if the staff allow a minority population to terrorize the rest of it rather than enforce the rules.

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

Only a idiot would think anyone is defending racist in here.

Maybe you should stop doing it. Because you are.

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

The bottom line of this thread can be summed up as this. If you see something that causes you to flip out and is a vioation of the tos then report it.

No one is "flipping out" and people are reporting things that, again, violate the rules. The staff are not doing an adequate job.

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

stop whining as if this is a kotoku made game and report it.

Your condescension gets you nowhere and your bad faith arguments make talking to you pointless. At this point you are nothing more than a troll.

Kotaku doesn't make games, this is an argument based entirely on arbitrary strawmanning.

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

And if months down the road as in nearly ALL mmos soneone is still spamming random cartoon boobs then get over it?

I've played many, many MMOs. Everquest, WoW, FFXIV, Warframe, PSO classic, City of Heroes and PSO2 JP just to name a few of the bigger ones. While racist and bigoted chat has always been a thing because gamers will be gamers - moderation staff usually did their job and most of those games didn't have symbol chat or an equivalent, and the ones that did, didn't seem to have attracted as immature a playerbase as PSO2 NA. The ship 2 players in PSO2 JP were bad at times, but because the JP staff were more inclined to do their job, didn't fill every block on ship 2 with it. They kept it to their wastelands and private groups for the most part.

You're trying to write this off as something everyone, everywhere does, when it's just not true. I'm sorry - but no. Most people aren't like this at all and trying to force everyone else to just "get over it" because of a small and obnoxious percentage of the community isn't the solution.

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

I do not know i have to say sorry on my part for not feeling worse for SA that offends some.

No one expects you to care. But to come into a thread and willfully spread ignorance, defend bigotry and openly mischaracterize everything everyone else has said because you disagree with it, is pointless.

Hey guys! As mentioned in other threads before, please report people that say things or use symbol arts that goes against the Terms of Service. You can send your reports via the ticket system located here. Please try to provide us what ship, the offender's character name, and any other type of information you can provide. Our agents will look into it and take necessary actions.

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@Nuebot said in Disgusted by certain players!:

@Ranmaru said in Disgusted by certain players!:

Well, your options are limited if you don't want to see them. I think that's what we are getting at. You shouldn't have to resort to the option of turning it off, but we can't control others that want to abuse the system. Then only afterwards will they get punished. If there were some sort of filter that bans in the very moment they do, that might be helpful. Yet it seems it might be too difficult to implement?

As said many times in this thread: The staff should be doing their job and banning them when they do abuse the system. And if, after they get unbanned, they go right back to it? Permaban them. It's not a difficult solution and it is baffling how many people are rushing in to trip over themselves and defend the honor of porn spammers and racists.

I agree. I think that's been implied through my posts. Yet that doesn't mean they'll always catch them all before we see them, if that is your point. The ones they don't manage to catch with their own eyes, will be reported by any individual that isn't staff, that is why the report system is there.

@GM-Rappie said in Disgusted by certain players!:

Hey guys! As mentioned in other threads before, please report people that say things or use symbol arts that goes against the Terms of Service. You can send your reports via the ticket system located here. Please try to provide us what ship, the offender's character name, and any other type of information you can provide. Our agents will look into it and take necessary actions.

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You guys can whine and complain for another 100 pages but this is all you'll ever see on the subject from the GM team. This is something they're automatically taking action on so sitting here whining about it is kinda a waste if time. As I said pages ago, its a never ending battle for them to sort out the problem people but its obviously being dealt with on the daily. You're time is best spent playing the game and just reporting it when you see it while they continue the good fight. Or at least complaining about something less obvious that needs to be worked on.

@Z0DIAK-BRAVE Nah, here's the thing, if it was so "obvious," there wouldn't be such a vocal response, and I wouldn't personally be reporting pornographic symbol art every day. Something that I want to lay out, extremely clear for everyone, is that this is not a black and white 'if you can't ban them all, stop trying' deal. People will keep reporting, people should speak out, LOUDLY, if those reports don't seem to be effective, and it is absolutely disingenuous to frame this discussion as between 'whining, panty-twisted, whatever other vaguely misogynistic terms you've got for people' against 'the majority.'

Big, urgent news flash to you and everyone else who reads this, expecting a service to be ran by the rules set forth by its providers is not only typical for people, but a bar most providers clear most of the time. I'm not sorry to say that even my Pepe meme and politically incorrect weeb family isn't fond of nearly every concert being filled with dicks and tits.

It doesn't matter that people can still do it. We don't make forcefully shoving porn into random strangers' faces illegal in the real world because we seriously think that's going to stop every single instance of it happening. We don't have laws for buckling up and speed limits because we think that no one's going to break them successfully. And all types make a huge fuss out of authority figures behaving incongruously with our expectations in real life.

This game, like many others, is a public social space. Keep your enjoyment of things which break the terms of service to yourself. If you think I'm out of line for stating the blatantly obvious, then how about you stop trying to lull people into being more accommodating of hate speech, meseta bots, and pornography; and instead start petitioning the fine people working on this game to change the terms of service to accommodate those things?

Right, I forgot, no one's allowed to be genuine when they're trying to normalize this behavior, otherwise you'd rightfully get nowhere.

@PointBlankX79 your response is wasted on him, I'm afraid.

This is someone telling us to stop complaining about it because the GMs are handling reports, yet complained across multiple threads about the PC release and the height "censorship".

I guess his complaints are OK to bring to a public forum, but complaints against things he relishes are not OK.

@Z0DIAK-BRAVE said in Disgusted by certain players!:

@GM-Rappie said in Disgusted by certain players!:

Hey guys! As mentioned in other threads before, please report people that say things or use symbol arts that goes against the Terms of Service. You can send your reports via the ticket system located here. Please try to provide us what ship, the offender's character name, and any other type of information you can provide. Our agents will look into it and take necessary actions.

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You guys can whine and complain for another 100 pages but this is all you'll ever see on the subject from the GM team. This is something they're automatically taking action on so sitting here whining about it is kinda a waste if time. As I said pages ago, its a never ending battle for them to sort out the problem people but its obviously being dealt with on the daily. You're time is best spent playing the game and just reporting it when you see it while they continue the good fight. Or at least complaining about something less obvious that needs to be worked on.

Someone with some sense.

@GM-Rappie said in Disgusted by certain players!:

Hey guys! As mentioned in other threads before, please report people that say things or use symbol arts that goes against the Terms of Service. You can send your reports via the ticket system located here. Please try to provide us what ship, the offender's character name, and any other type of information you can provide. Our agents will look into it and take necessary actions.

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Im sure you do the best you can Yellow Rappy and Im sure Green Rappy does as well. 48362311_1143551415804102_1728713453192871936_n.jpg

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

No one is defending them. What we are saying is that pso2 isnt twitter. its like people dig around to be offended by something. Only a idiot would think anyone is defending racist in here. The bottom line of this thread can be summed up as this. If you see something that causes you to flip out and is a vioation of the tos then report it. stop whining as if this is a kotoku made game and report it. There done? And if months down the road as in nearly ALL mmos soneone is still spamming random cartoon boobs then get over it? I do not know i have to say sorry on my part for not feeling worse for SA that offends some. Regardless Green Rappy and Yellow Rappy I know you guys are working hard and contrary to what a few here think I think you guys are doing the best job you can. I salute you for getting the game up and running with work with the team.

Hey, that's you, right? Cool.

It is sensible and normal to expect the provider of a service to operate by the rules it lays forth. And it is a goal that the majority of people here feel isn't being met right now (even if they disagree on how to approach or if it should be approached).

People here have effectively defended the practices which should be punished a la the ToS. I'm not attacking the mods, and neither are most of the people here. There's a myriad of reasons why they may have difficulty enforcing things.

You are not the sensible one for effectively doing work to normalize behavior that's against the ToS. You are not sensible for effectively doing work which could drive a wedge in the community by insinuating we are all attacking the moderators directly.

It's not going to fly like that. I like this game. I like many in the community. You are not defending the mods by doing this. What you are doing is attacking people who want the ToS enforced better, and you're doing it in an extremely rude way. That is not normal, and it should not be normal.

I know what direction a community takes when this is the prevailing attitude. We just want more people to be able to enjoy SA's more safely. There's absolutely nothing wrong about vocalizing that.

@PointBlankX79 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

No one is defending them. What we are saying is that pso2 isnt twitter. its like people dig around to be offended by something. Only a idiot would think anyone is defending racist in here. The bottom line of this thread can be summed up as this. If you see something that causes you to flip out and is a vioation of the tos then report it. stop whining as if this is a kotoku made game and report it. There done? And if months down the road as in nearly ALL mmos soneone is still spamming random cartoon boobs then get over it? I do not know i have to say sorry on my part for not feeling worse for SA that offends some. Regardless Green Rappy and Yellow Rappy I know you guys are working hard and contrary to what a few here think I think you guys are doing the best job you can. I salute you for getting the game up and running with work with the team.

Hey, that's you, right? Cool.

It is sensible and normal to expect the provider of a service to operate by the rules it lays forth. And it is a goal that the majority of people here feel isn't being met right now (even if they disagree on how to approach or if it should be approached).

People here have effectively defended the practices which should be punished a la the ToS. I'm not attacking the mods, and neither are most of the people here. There's a myriad of reasons why they may have difficulty enforcing things.

You are not the sensible one for effectively doing work to normalize behavior that's against the ToS. You are not sensible for effectively doing work which could drive a wedge in the community by insinuating we are all attacking the moderators directly.

It's not going to fly like that. I like this game. I like many in the community. You are not not defending the mods by doing this. You're attacking people who want the ToS enforced better, and you're doing it in an extremely rude way. That is not normal, and it should not be normal.

I know what direction a community takes when this is the prevailing attitude. We just want more people to be able to enjoy SA's more safely. There's absolutely nothing wrong about vocalizing that.

Until you have been profiled by police because of your color in a bookstore do not talk to me about whos trying to normalizie anything. Ive faced racism and i just deal with it diffrently so you can kindly take your high and mighty "normalize and shove it ok? And yes people are harsh on the mods cause they spend more time watching others than playing the game and getting upset the mods are not eyeing every lobby 24/7 cause they saw a random book pop up in SA. Ive been with this game day one in japan and day 1 here. People can enjoy SAs all they want but the fact is many have been around for years and most are taken straight from japan. I guess for me its the culture shock is remember I live in NA where things are easily more offensive here and cause people to make threads like this while most pso2 fan forums have never had any such threads. (if anything mostly making fun of people running certain skill trees)

@Meta77 What you've basically said is the equivalent of "I deal with racial slurs, so no one should complain about slurs."

It isn't high and mighty to say that shouldn't be normal, sorry I'm specific with my language. [Edit: I don't know why you think I'm referring to outside this thread by saying "here"]

@PointBlankX79 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

It's not going to fly like that. I like this game. I like many in the community. You are not not defending the mods by doing this. You're attacking people who want the ToS enforced better, and you're doing it in an extremely rude way. That is not normal, and it should not be normal. I know what direction a community takes when this is the prevailing attitude. We just want more people to be able to enjoy SA's more safely. There's absolutely nothing wrong about vocalizing that.

Correct, and I find it revolting and revealing that Meta77 is attempting to normalize what he's advocating for by moving the goalposts to make it look like those calling for better engagement on offensive content are somehow attacking the moderators.

Even more insidious is the argument that it is on the players to ignore offensive behavior and/ or "keep calm and carry on," because this automatically creates a a safe space for the behavior that violates the ToS. This argument depicts bigotry as being in the "majority," and thereby argues that it ought to be granted "protection," as "free speech," and in turn makes both forum and game a recruiting tool for those who wish to see such bigotry spread in wider society, including by violence and threat of violence.

Such efforts cannot be tolerated in an online public space precisely because of the capacity to organize for violence and the threat of violence against others in an anonymous fashion, without the direct consequences that such behavior would entail outside of one's own home.

No what im saying is that its been around since the early days of gaming. All you can do is report it and move on. Making threads saying how disgusting it is does what exactly. Let the mods know something they im sure already know exist in a game. Report it, stop whining, and play the game.