Disgusted by certain players!

This isn't JP ships or even just SEGA services.

Welcome to the Microsoft world:

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You can keep spamming that all you want the point still stands. If you see something that offends you report the damn thing. Seriously. That said otherwise just play the game. Hell racism for me has been seen since halo 2 days. and guess what people will still drop racist terms on a dime. im not defedning people that use the terms on me but at the same time i know tossing in bed everytime some middle school or edgy high school edgelord drops the term in a game im just going to enjoy my game and go about my day. some for pso2. ill roll my eyes instead of acting as if the world is ending cause of them or let them ruin my experiance.

You people know that if streamers don't stream this game because they're worried about getting banned from YT or Twitch, it hurts this game's chance of success right?

@Mattwo7 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

You people know that if streamers don't stream this game because they're worried about getting banned from YT or Twitch, it hurts this game's chance of success right?

Um streamers are t he last people i worry about when it comes to my buying purchases. That and the games free. It will do fine. besides honestly the game stateside will probably get a solid 3 years out of it or 4 before news of pso3 drops in jp. At least i think.

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

Um streamers are t he last people i worry about when it comes to my buying purchases

What does that have to do with the game's publicity?

besides honestly the game stateside will probably get a solid 3 years out of it or 4 before news of pso3 drops in jp.

That's not what is going to happen. The game is too profitable for them to pull the plug. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they're going to do an NGE/Cata/Big Bang stlye update where they revamp the codebase and the world. It's what WoW and Maplestory did.

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

@Mattwo7 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

You people know that if streamers don't stream this game because they're worried about getting banned from YT or Twitch, it hurts this game's chance of success right?

Um streamers are t he last people i worry about when it comes to my buying purchases. That and the games free. It will do fine. besides honestly the game stateside will probably get a solid 3 years out of it or 4 before news of pso3 drops in jp. At least i think.

It's not you that we're worried about. It's all the other players who might be interested in this game, but who may very well be driven away because the first thing they'll see from a twitch streamer is Ship 2, Lobby 1, or Ship 1, Lobby 1, filled with nothing but fools, edgy teens, and ethno-nationalists posing as edgy teens, all spamming symbol art of Swastikas, pornography, and other deliberately offensive content.

That means lost revenue for Microsoft, lost revenue for Sega and, ultimately, a shorter life for the game all of us enjoy.

@Mattwo7 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

You people know that if streamers don't stream this game because they're worried about getting banned from YT or Twitch, it hurts this game's chance of success right?

Also this. ^

In short: You, @Meta77 are advocating that we should tolerate, and that microsoft should tolerate, their public platform and revenue stream being used for racism and offensive shit-posting in the name of "free speech," all because it doesn't bother you. Sadly for you, Microsoft is under no obligation to let that happen, or to let their reputation be besmirched by that sort of behavior.

I think I should also remind you of the fact that on the Japanese version of PSO2, that behavior went unchecked enough that hate groups and white-supremacists began to use the Japanese PSO2 servers as a recruitment tool. I would know as such because I actually encountered them on ship 2. Normalizing their stance and passing off their behavior as merely "edgy" is exactly how they begin recruiting, and the last thing we need is an article in Siliconera or Kotaku that such groups are beginning to recruit on the NA servers, all because various players screeched about their "right to free speech" being infringed upon and that the player base should just "ignore it and let it be."

@Meta77 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

@Mattwo7 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

You people know that if streamers don't stream this game because they're worried about getting banned from YT or Twitch, it hurts this game's chance of success right?

Um streamers are t he last people i worry about when it comes to my buying purchases. That and the games free. It will do fine. besides honestly the game stateside will probably get a solid 3 years out of it or 4 before news of pso3 drops in jp. At least i think.

Who knows I mean pso3 may drop later than that . It all depends on what this massive update on episode 6 is and if they continue episodes after that . Some games have ran for so long they don’t need another sequel . As long as the game makes money I imagine they will keep going

@Vicodin-Villian said in Disgusted by certain players!:

and the last thing we need is an article in Siliconera or Kotaku that such groups are beginning to recruit on the NA servers

I'd say that'd actually make the game more profitable but Microsoft would definitely have problems with that kind of publicity. They're not the people running Discord.

@Mattwo7 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

@Vicodin-Villian said in Disgusted by certain players!:

and the last thing we need is an article in Siliconera or Kotaku that such groups are beginning to recruit on the NA servers

I'd say that'd actually make the game more profitable but Microsoft would definitely have problems with that kind of publicity. They're not the people running Discord.

I know that they (microsoft) are not the ones running discord, but all the same, extreme caution and intolerance towards behavior and actions designed to promote intolerance, hatred, and violence brought on by those sentiments is warranted. I did actually run into neo-nazis on PSO2 JP who were using it as a recruiting tool. Exactly how is that I assumed that they were edgy teens when they went recruiting for their team/alliance; racism-lite to give the appearance of "being edgy and cool" is nothing new where PSO and symbol art are concerned, as well as videogaming in general, so I made the default assumption that this was more of the same behavior.and something that I could at least tune out .When I poked my head into their discord, I saw that their user-name list filled with anti-semitic and racist memes, noted that their discord symbol was the black sun icon, and then promptly left as I realized with horror that, yes, these people were actual Nazis trying to pass themselves off as being "edgy teens" in order to recruit.

Again, and with emphasis: the last thing microsoft or sega needs is news that their flagship multi-platform mmorpg is being used as a recruitment tool by terrorists.

@Vicodin-Villian said in Disgusted by certain players!:

and something that I could at least tune out .When I poked my head into their discord

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@Mattwo7 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

@Vicodin-Villian said in Disgusted by certain players!:

and something that I could at least tune out .When I poked my head into their discord

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I know how that sounds. I didn't realize what they were before I did that. As I said, I thought they were just being idiots. Once I found out, I ran just about as far away as I could. The last thing that you expect to stumble upon playing a Japanese anime-centric videogame is neo-nazis, so right up until I saw what they were in there, I had ignored my suspicions due to the level of shenanigans that go on on the JP server.

@Vicodin-Villian My point is: Why the hell were you looking at their Discord? Especially if your intent was to just shrug them off?

Not for nothing but it actually sounds like you're making this all up.

@Mattwo7 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

@Vicodin-Villian My point is: Why the hell were you looking at their Discord? Especially if your intent was to just shrug them off?

Because I didn't know what they were, and thought they were just more of the same. I didn't realize that they were neo-nazis until I saw what their discord was, because what they restricted themselves to on the JP server as a whole was weird memes and boilerplate edgy stuff that you see usually on the JP server.

@Mattwo7 said in Disgusted by certain players!:

Not for nothing but it actually sounds like you're making this all up.

That was my reaction to seeing them at first as well. I didn't take them at their word, and thought that they were just joking.

I wish I had a screenshot to show you that these people were who I say they were, but my first instinct when seeing what they had there on that discord was to run like hell. Being on the internet and in videogaming in particular for long enough gets you seeing enough stuff that when you encounter the real thing you think that it's more of the same....right up until you realize that they're not, and that they're actually dead serious.

@Vicodin-Villian said in Disgusted by certain players!:

Because I didn't know what they were, and thought they were just more of the same

That doesn't explain why you were poking your nose where you didn't want it to be in the first place... You keep using this excuse and it doesn't make it make any more sense! Why didn't you just "shrug them off" as you said was your intent? It's a serious contradiction! It'd be one thing if you had any real suspicious but you clearly state you did not!

It has a mature rating an has always had the lewd symbol arts even on jp servers (where it’s ten times worse) if you don’t like it turn it off it’s not like other games don’t have nudity. Just makes you sound like prune that can’t handle pixel boobs an words popping up